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Scientists Predict Possible Ice Increase in Arctic

- By - Source : NSF

Before you get too excited: No, there is no new theory on global warming; and we are not off the hook for blowing more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

However, a new computer model suggests that changes in atmospheric conditions could slow and even halt the melting of ice in the Arctic. Scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) even believe that there could be a growing ice cover again, at least for some time.

"As we learn more about climate variability, new and unexpected research results are coming to light," says Sarah Ruth, program director in the Division of Atmospheric and Geospace Sciences, which funds NCAR for NSF. "What's needed now are longer-term observations to better understand the effect of climate change on Arctic sea ice." A new computer climate simulation found that, under current climate conditions as well as changing wind patterns, Arctic ice is as likely to expand as it is to contract for periods of up to about a decade.

"The computer simulations suggest that we could see a 10-year period of stable ice or even a slight increase in the extent of the ice," said NCAR scientist Jennifer Kay, the lead researcher. "Even though the observed ice loss has accelerated over the last decade, the fate of sea ice over the next decade depends not only on human activity but also on climate variability that cannot be predicted."

However, Kay noted that there is no doubt about the overall trend. Over a period of 50 to 60 years, the Arctic will lose its ice during the summer.

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cybr 08/20/2011 1:47 AM
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You just made my feet happier.

bin1127 08/20/2011 1:53 AM
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Do not underestimate me and my AC set at 60 degrees.

dark_knight33 08/20/2011 2:06 AM
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sceen311 08/20/2011 2:45 AM
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So we'll see Ice increase past what we've already lost or we will not see constant loss but a small gain, then back to losing.

Anonymous 08/20/2011 2:58 AM
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It's a shame that serious things like global warming can boil down to name calling but often times that seems to be the case. I'd really encourage everyone here to educate themselves a bit further on the matter though from not-so-biased sources. Not saying saying I doubt the info in this article either, but human-exacerbated global warming to me seems very clearly real. I used to not think so, but the evidence is overwhelming.

applegetsmelaid 08/20/2011 3:18 AM
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And I predict a possible drought increase in the Desert.

trialsking 08/20/2011 3:21 AM
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dark_knight33 :
Are you kidding? If right the wing nut jobs have their way, there is no global warming. Nothing will happen to the sea ice, just don't go look for yourself, or live a few feet above sea level any time soon. Just ask Bachmann, she gets her info directly from the Soviet Union.http://rt.com/usa/news/bachmann-soviet-union-threat/It couldn't be more ridiculous if it were a lie, sadly this is who teabaggers would have you vote for. She'll bring back $2 a gallon gas, even if she has to put America in a second recession to do it!



You know what happens to left wingers when they get older, get a real job, buy a house, and start a family...........they become right wing nut jobs. Just wait 10 years and see if I am wrong.

thejerk 08/20/2011 3:53 AM
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cybr :
You just made my feet happier.



*clapping*

soldier37 08/20/2011 4:04 AM
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wildkitten 08/20/2011 5:58 AM
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dark_knight33 :
Are you kidding? If right the wing nut jobs have their way, there is no global warming. Nothing will happen to the sea ice, just don't go look for yourself, or live a few feet above sea level any time soon. Just ask Bachmann, she gets her info directly from the Soviet Union.http://rt.com/usa/news/bachmann-soviet-union-threat/It couldn't be more ridiculous if it were a lie, sadly this is who teabaggers would have you vote for. She'll bring back $2 a gallon gas, even if she has to put America in a second recession to do it!


I love how people from the left just call names. And I hate the fact that a site that tries to pass itself off in some manner as jounalistic has a very bad first line.

First and foremost, there is no definitive proof on global warming. I would suggest you read the works of Dr. Roy W. Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville as well as a scientist working for NASA. He has extensive works on the subject.

And let's not forget, according to radical environmentalists who taught current people like Al Gore, Great Britain was to be under ice by the year 2000. Earth Day was made to warn people of global COOLING. And if manmade global warming is so real, why is there need to do things like fabricate emails and evidence?

A lot of people like to use buzz words like "scientific consensus" although one really does not exist. Of course these people forget that at one time in human history, scientific consensus was that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbited us. Truth isn't formed by a few people saying something is that way.

I also find it very odd that in less than 200 years that humanity has been in the industrial age we have somehow polluted far more than nature itself which puts these pollutants into the air at a far greater rate than human beings could if they intentionally tried to do it.

Now I am all for common sense protection of the environment. We all want clean water, we want to breathe clean air. But these "teabaggers" you call them, why don't you look at the grounds where they hold their rallys compared to even radical environmentalists. The Tea Party people actually clean up after themselves.

It's so funny how radical environmentalists push things like the electic car. And yes, the electric car doesn't pollute while it's operating. However, it still pollutes, often times with greater impact. How does an electric car get it's power? Batteries. How are these batteris charged? By plugging them in. That means more electricity has to be generated, mostly from coal, because radicals won't allow us to try to progress. And what happens when the batteries have to be disposed of? Sorry, but the environmental impact is actually GREATER by these so called "green" cars.

Reminds me of the disposable diaper tirade radicals went on at the end of the 80's/early 90's. "Disposable's take up too much landfill space and don't break down, people MUST use cloth diapers!!!" While it was never argued that they didn't break down, sensible people said let's research first to see what the impact will be by going cloth. Radicals pushed for cloth to make a comeback and it did greatly. What ended up happening was more launcry was being done, so more detergents ended up being put into the water systems. Diaper services made a comeback and more vehicles on the road. All of a sudden the radicals did a 180 and made cloth out to be the evil though people went to cloth because of them.

And explain how putting gas back to $2 a gallon would create a recession? If fuel prices were lower that would help the economy.

jsc 08/20/2011 5:59 AM
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"Even though the observed ice loss has accelerated over the last decade, the fate of sea ice over the next decade depends not only on human activity but also on climate variability that cannot be predicted."

I'd have much more faith in the claims of the global warning proponents if they had lifestyles that actually showed they believe in it. Al Gore comes to mind.

SmileyTPB1 08/20/2011 6:25 AM
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Proof positive that the weather and climate are far too complex for us to understand at this time.

Let's look at a few facts.

The earth is billions of years old. We have only had the knowledge and technology to study the climate in depth for the last 30 or so years. I don't think that gives us a good sample of how the climate really works. We didn't even know the Jet Stream existed until the 1940s and even then is was discovered by accident.

Until the early 1980s most scientists believed we were on the verge of another Ice Age.

Because the earth's orbit around the sun fluctuates we are currently moving closer to the sun and into a naturally warmer climate phase.

Contrary to what Global Warming Alarmists would have you believe the earth's climate has been both colder and warmer multiple times in the past. In fact many climate scientists will tell you that the last 10,000+ years have been unusually stable.

Is the climate getting warmer? Yes.
Are humans and all of their air pollution having a negative impact and accelerating the warming of the climate? Yes.
Are humans and all of their air pollution the only reason the climate is warming? No.

I believe that the climate and the weather are far too complex for us to understand right now, especially after such a short period of in depth study when compared to how old the earth is. It may be too complex for us to ever completely understand. I just wish that people would look at more facts beyond what Global Warming Alarmists have to show us and make their own educated decision.

LORD_ORION 08/20/2011 7:39 AM
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Stop listening to asinine politics and do not engage in the global warming debate.

Pollution is bad, stop polluting. The end.

enforcer22 08/20/2011 8:24 AM
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dark_knight33 :
Are you kidding? If right the wing nut jobs have their way, there is no global warming. Nothing will happen to the sea ice, just don't go look for yourself, or live a few feet above sea level any time soon. Just ask Bachmann, she gets her info directly from the Soviet Union.http://rt.com/usa/news/bachmann-soviet-union-threat/It couldn't be more ridiculous if it were a lie, sadly this is who teabaggers would have you vote for. She'll bring back $2 a gallon gas, even if she has to put America in a second recession to do it!




After reading the linked article all i could think was fuck not another bush.

becherovka 08/20/2011 8:44 AM
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becherovka 08/20/2011 8:49 AM
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"And explain how putting gas back to $2 a gallon would create a recession? If fuel prices were lower that would help the economy."
Who pays the difference? That might answer your question

Ciuy 08/20/2011 10:02 AM
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cybr :
You just made my feet happier.



Wow, same thing happened to me !!

memadmax 08/20/2011 11:51 AM
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If you take a look at the earth from space, like the space station cam for example, you will see that we are really quite insignificant little fleas on spaceship earth.

She will do what she wants, whenever she wants, and there won't be a dang thing we can do about it.

Enjoy your day!

booseek 08/20/2011 2:39 PM
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trialsking :
You know what happens to left wingers when they get older, get a real job, buy a house, and start a family...........they become right wing nut jobs. Just wait 10 years and see if I am wrong.



At least in NYC, 95% of the people that I know with jobs, homes, and families are very liberal. What are you talking about?

Anonymous 08/20/2011 3:24 PM
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Global warming is a religion like the one that predicted the end of the world a few months ago.

sunflier 08/20/2011 4:39 PM
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The next person in the unemployment line should be Al Gore.

pepe2907 08/20/2011 7:47 PM
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"...there is no definitive proof on global warming..."
By the proof you mean when we all get drowned? Is this the proof you expect? It would be definite, no doubt. B. t. w. is there a definite proof that an atomic bomb may kill you? Ofcourse it may kill many people, but you... don't you need a definitive proof?

Anonymous 08/20/2011 8:48 PM
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"...there is no definitive proof on global warming..."

That is a stupid statement. Global warming has been going on for at least 1000 years, that evidence in un-disputable.

What is crap is this business that man made green house gases are the cause of the climate change. All terrible science and with all the money available for studies this is being promoted by scientists everywhere. They don't want to kill off the "golden goose" that pays for their research grants. It is a monumental disgrace..

Read material from Reid Bryson, the grandfather of mot of the "so called" present day experts.Quit buying into the "greenies" who don't know crap but are like sheep following Al Gore and his political agenda.

bustapr 08/21/2011 3:47 AM
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soldier37 :
LOL left wingers all so predictable and I still cant fathom they think we are powerful enough to effect the planet with all this supposed warming. Its an agenda for scientist to make more money for their projects to go along with the global warming bs. Move along nothing new to see here.


I suppose you havent noticed all the heat records accross the world. Summers are undoubtably getting hotter and winters are undoubtably getting colder. All effects of global warming.

alidan 08/21/2011 6:17 AM
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wildkitten :
I love how people from the left just call names. And I hate the fact that a site that tries to pass itself off in some manner as jounalistic has a very bad first line.First and foremost, there is no definitive proof on global warming. I would suggest you read the works of Dr. Roy W. Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville as well as a scientist working for NASA. He has extensive works on the subject.And let's not forget, according to radical environmentalists who taught current people like Al Gore, Great Britain was to be under ice by the year 2000. Earth Day was made to warn people of global COOLING. And if manmade global warming is so real, why is there need to do things like fabricate emails and evidence?A lot of people like to use buzz words like "scientific consensus" although one really does not exist. Of course these people forget that at one time in human history, scientific consensus was that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbited us. Truth isn't formed by a few people saying something is that way.I also find it very odd that in less than 200 years that humanity has been in the industrial age we have somehow polluted far more than nature itself which puts these pollutants into the air at a far greater rate than human beings could if they intentionally tried to do it.Now I am all for common sense protection of the environment. We all want clean water, we want to breathe clean air. But these "teabaggers" you call them, why don't you look at the grounds where they hold their rallys compared to even radical environmentalists. The Tea Party people actually clean up after themselves.It's so funny how radical environmentalists push things like the electic car. And yes, the electric car doesn't pollute while it's operating. However, it still pollutes, often times with greater impact. How does an electric car get it's power? Batteries. How are these batteris charged? By plugging them in. That means more electricity has to be generated, mostly from coal, because radicals won't allow us to try to progress. And what happens when the batteries have to be disposed of? Sorry, but the environmental impact is actually GREATER by these so called "green" cars.Reminds me of the disposable diaper tirade radicals went on at the end of the 80's/early 90's. "Disposable's take up too much landfill space and don't break down, people MUST use cloth diapers!!!" While it was never argued that they didn't break down, sensible people said let's research first to see what the impact will be by going cloth. Radicals pushed for cloth to make a comeback and it did greatly. What ended up happening was more launcry was being done, so more detergents ended up being put into the water systems. Diaper services made a comeback and more vehicles on the road. All of a sudden the radicals did a 180 and made cloth out to be the evil though people went to cloth because of them.And explain how putting gas back to $2 a gallon would create a recession? If fuel prices were lower that would help the economy.



i don't want to do this, but o well.

batteries when disposed of properly, pollute very little, and i guarantee you that a car battery isn't something most sane people just toss out without a second thought.

here is another fact, powerplants charging a battery is noting major. assuming most of it is done at night. an electric car batter could be charged a number of ways, ill assume fast for if you need a recharge quick, which would draw more power, and slow, for an over night charge. and coal is sadly the lesser of 2 evils when it comes to coal or oil... i want nuclear but thats not happening... god i hate peoples stupidity with that issue.

now lets also look at gas.

currently people are saying that gas is going to die, and we are getting close to running out completely, without really having much to back their claims up, so gas is going up in price, the only way to get it to go down would either be to strong arm them in to lowering prices, which America isn't in a position to do anymore, or spend tax $ on getting gas cheaper. now tax money may not come out of out pockets and from another government...

what you are saying about us polluting, thats true, and its just narcissism at its finest. animals we far pollute more than we do, and we aren't even talking about the ring of fire which constantly puts out more "green house gasses" than we could ever do.

i can go further, but i think i hit the basics.

o yea, there is also the idea of instead of recharging batteries at home, replacing them at gas stations. that way you always have a good battery, and you can get a new one in under a minute, probably faster than you can fill up a tank of gas.

K-zon 08/21/2011 8:01 AM
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REYNOD 08/21/2011 9:51 AM
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My brain hurts now.

Kami3k 08/21/2011 6:58 PM
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jsc :
"Even though the observed ice loss has accelerated over the last decade, the fate of sea ice over the next decade depends not only on human activity but also on climate variability that cannot be predicted."I'd have much more faith in the claims of the global warning proponents if they had lifestyles that actually showed they believe in it. Al Gore comes to mind.



The fact you listen to Al Gore and not the scientists in the relevant fields of science, says a lot about you.

None of it good btw.

Kami3k 08/21/2011 7:02 PM
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eddieroolz 08/21/2011 8:30 PM
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It seems that every year or so these "scientists" come up with a new statement.

The_Trutherizer 08/22/2011 12:06 PM
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