Bookmakers Give iPhone 5 Announcement 20:1 Payout

Not gonna lie took me awhile to figure out what the article was supposed to be about.

But now that I figured it out, if I had money to bet (which I don't), I would either bet on the Apple TV, or and extension of the bookstore to include textbooks.

Now back to reading about cool stuff at CES.

I can positively place my bets on that this will NOT be about iPhone 5, that's not very "Apple". Then again, Mr. Jobs isn't here anymore, but still, I doubt this will entail any hardware announcement.

"Like all tech junkies I’m awaiting the latest Apple announcement with bated breath"

'Real' tech junkies DON'T await apple announcements with anything but skepticism and scorn.

'Real' tech junkies with intelligence await any modern technology launch with interest, and are man enough not to have irrational dislikes for a company. 'Real' tech junkies don't have 'scorn' for the best current tablet (iPad) and best current smartphone (iPhone 4S), particularly as the iPhone 4S has the fastest CPU/GPU combination in any phone ever.

See, a 'Real' tech junkie would know that and that would necessarily make it relevant. Bitter, insecure, less educated, less well paid, and younger kids, may choose to ignore all of that and live in their own delusional world.

Where is Apple at CES?

Are they treating the show with scorn?

stupidest thing EVER to bet on what products apple is releasing (or to bet on anything)

You kinda lost me after the first sentence. Current best is largely a matter of personal opinion of how well something fits your needs and tastes. Fastest cpu/gpu doesn't mean crap if you hate everything else.

Not really. I bet on tennis, football and boxing most weeks - i have far more knowledge on tech and releases than i do on sports. Heck, companies like apple are nothing but predictable so in my eyes i'm diving right in!

If you're a tech junkie, it matters. Not necessarily meaning you'll want to buy it, but would certainly take an interest in it, I don't think I have to justify the iPad 2, even the most ardent opposition would admit it's the best tablet out there right now.

So what if they are? Whether Apple attend some show or not has no relevance to whether or not tech people want to know about their products.

Are you concerned that tech people don't get any opportunity to hear about Apple products?

As it happens, Apple is probably not there because of a marketing strategy - obviously they try to market their products as the best option available, and currently have the best selling tablet, and smartphone, of all time. They can generate probably more publicity by creating their own conference, and that way they don't have to share the spotlight. Also, that way they are in control of when they launch their products, rather than having to launch at some arbitrary event at the same time when everyone else is launching. Either way, whatever the reason, it has nothing to do with tech junkies wanting to know about their products.

While I agree that the scorn comment was a cheap shot playing on the rampant anti-Apple mentality here (to be fair, I hate Apple about as much as any guy could), it was pretty damn funny.

That said, the "best" phone or tablet is hugely subjective. Personally, I'd rather have one of the new, refreshed Transformer Primes than an iPad 2. I'd also rather have a Droid RAZR than iPhone 4S. I really, really hate Apple's ecosystem, and expect to be able to do whatever I like with a product I OWN.

While you may only care about what's shiniest and fastest, I care about other things. Can you turn your 4S into a 4G hotspot with a single touch? Can you replace the kernel with one more suited to your needs? Can you modify the processor's voltage and frequency automatically to save battery life when you're not using it and crank up the speed when you are? Can it play Flash?

The iPhone isn't the end-all, be-all of phones. Some of us like chocolate, and Apple only serves vanilla.

This absolutely in no way is considered news. I want my time back.

'Personally, I'd rather have one of the new, refreshed Transformer Primes'

For me, the only legitimate reason for actually thinking that is having not tried both of them, or just being anti-Apple. I think there is no comparison. As previously stated, even anti-Apple fans are usually honest enough to say that. I guess because you 'really, really' hate an Ecosystem in which your less-than-2-year-old-phone actually receives updates, allows you more security when downloading apps due to at least the semblance of quality control, which causes no problems whatsoever and doesn't prevent you doing anything you actually want to do with a phone, that makes you a little biased. If Apple brought out a Transformer Prime, and Asus brought out an iPad 2 - if your honest you know which you'd pick.

'While you may only care about what's shiniest and fastest, I care about other things'

Actually, I care about hundreds of things, don't pretend to know why I bought my phone. The difference is, all of mine are practical. I want an almost industry leading camera, I want better battery life than Android phones. I want to be able to multi task without the whole phone slowing down. I want to be able to watch Sky Sports on my phone and by proxy, on any television to which I can WIRELESSLY stream the picture. I want access to the biggest app library there is for mobile phones, but I also want to ensure that it is secure and that the Apps actually have to go through an approval process. I don't want to waste hours of my valuable time installing new 'roms' and thereby voiding my warranty or take it further and illegally download apps for free. I also appreciate that for anybody who uses any apps on the iphone 4S, they can clearly be enhanced by having the best CPU/GPU combination, which speeds up EVERYTHING on the phone. Specifically, things load faster, it feels smoother, it never lags, and it's actually capable of playing modern games. Unlike any of the Android handsets, which have to have games designed to run at the lower performance level - the quality obviously suffering. I want to have the option to use a voice control software which actually works - the best of its type, fully integrated into the handset.

All of which Android doesn't do.

'Can you turn your 4S into a 4G hotspot with a single touch?'

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3574 (I am making an assumption that you want another device to be able to use the internet - the most useful case)

'Can you replace the kernel with one more suited to your needs?'

Because the 'kernel' which comes with iPhones already works, doesn't contain so much bloatware and slow browsers like Android does, there is no need to change it. Every need I have is completely met by the iPhone, so I would absolutely not want to have the chore of replacing a kernel, and again by doing so void my warranty.

'Can you modify the processor's voltage and frequency automatically to save battery life when you're not using it and crank up the speed when you are?'

You can enable and disable various features which can extend battery life, but since battery life is never an issue with a properly designed device (already fixed iPhone 4S issues aside), I never have a need to make my phone perform worse just to make it last longer. Slowing down the processor on an Android phone is ridiculous anyway since they are so laggy by default, whereas the iPhone 4S interface is properly hardware accelerated. You may as well just buy a Nokia 8210 if you're going to dial down the power to an unusable level. And all the time you spend faffing about with that? I'm SERIOUSLY happy I've never had such an anal problem to have to deal with.

'Can it play Flash?'

Yes, of course. Simply download Skyfire. I know that may not be the 5 hour exercise you seem to want to get any kind of usability out of your phone, but hey, it works. As it happens I don't use any websites which use flash since it's a pretty much obsolete platform anyway, which absolutely destroys battery life - I most definitely wouldn't want to use it on my phone, particularly on one as inefficient as Android.

What saddens me most is that people like you speak about the 'ecosystem' which you dislike, but you really don't have a clue what it actually means. There is not a single useful thing which can't be done with an iPhone that you can do with a typical Android phone, it's only for people who have some kind of money issues or some need to try and find an alternative to the popular (common sense) purchase. Or, for people who are so insecure they define themselves on being 'techy' and mistake ease-of-use with lack of capability. Android as a whole is solely increasing due to there being so many manufacturers, selling at much, much lower profit margins - no individual handset outsells the iPhone - and that say a lot. Being 'closed' is a nonsense since the source code to the previous version of Android was never released. And by the way, the reason it is 'open source' is purely because it infringes on so many copyrights, hardly commendable. Similarly, the reason other manufacturers use it is purely because it's less expensive than developing their own.

And besides, despite your long rant, the iPhone doesn't have to be the best to make my point valid. It simply has to be of interest to tech heads. Finally - no tech head is so naive and pathetic to be so misguided as to what they can and can't do on an iPhone - it's amazing how many kids still think you need iTunes.

I'll put a 100 bucks down on...there taking someone to court

I find it quite amusing that in the first four iterations of the iPhone since other competitors had a better CPU/GPU combination, Apple fans argued that specs were irrelevant. Now for the first time Apple's iPhone has a GPU/CPU combination better than the competition, and promptly to Apple fans specs were relegated from being irrelevant to become of the utmost importance.

The same view is also valid to Android (or any other OS/phone maker) fans. They ridiculed Apple for not having the best hardware, and now that they do specs in their mind suffered the same shift as above but in reverse.

If you had said only CPU ghz (instead of cpu/gpu) then you would've describe android !!! :-)

Since watcha's begging to be flamed:

The iPhone 4S released October 14th 2011, or about 8 months after the arrival of the first Android smartphones with dual core SOCs. On arrival it was the fastest phone on the market by a small margin, for roughly a month before faster android handsets released.... the highest end Android devices hold a small margin of victory currently, until quad core devices are released in February, at which point the performance difference should be enormously in favor of the best Android devices. And by the iPhone release cycle, we may see a repeat of the iPhone device being a clearly inferior choice (by hardware) for another 7-8 month period.

Or are we going to be delusional enough to say something as absurd as "the iPhone 4 wasn't slower than Andorid devices with dual core cortex A9 SOCs! It was totally faster, and better because it has an Apple logo!"

Please. It's pathetic.

As far as tablets go.... The Transformer Prime is superior to the iPad 2 in most specifications. 1.4GHz Quad Core processor vs 1GHz Dual Core, 1GHz of RAM vs 512MB, SD Card support vs no SD card support, dock with keyboard and extra battery life vs no dock, higher resolution display, 8 MP camera vs .92 MP camera.... the only category Apple wins, is the GPU. Trying to say that the iPad 2 is still the best tablet is.... delusional.

I'm talking about mostly hardware here. Since the software side of things is more of a religious debate on the forums for some reason.

Holy crap, that provoked one hell of a response.

To be honest, I really didn't read all of your post. Only took a few sentences to get the gist. "Blah blah blah, Apple is better than everyone and has no flaws blah blah blah." Yeah, I hate Apple, and you're clearly in love. How is it that I'm the only biased one here?

I've owned Apple products. My first smartphone was an iPhone 3G, and I had an iPhone 4 before I swapped it for an Android phone. My opinions aren't out of ignorance, as you so desperately need to believe to protect the brand you have such an irrational need to defend.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people want something other than an iDevice? But please, go on telling me how biased I am for not having the same opinion as you, because there are clearly no merits to Android.

Fanboy.

What's and iphone? Is that why all you people are staring at your feet all the time?

Proportional to the number of mistakes you made




You didn't read it, yet you know you don't like it. Sounds like the kind of tech fan who doesn't have any interest in an Apple launch. Irrational, denial, bitter, fanboy.




Everything I stated is a fact or obviously simply an opinion. You presented a series of arguments against Apple, which were incorrect. Clearly, in educating you, my arguments would be conversely pro-Apple - but that is driven by the irrational hatred on your side, not mine - I like to clear the reality up and make the facts clear. Don't confuse that for any kind of bias. If you had said something like 'Android can't take photos' you would have encountered a similarly pro-Android argument.




This from the guy who doesn't know how to use flash on the iPhone, and claims he doesn't know how to tether with it and doesn't know that the iPhone 4 had the best battery life there was, so asks for facility to slow the processor down?




Your opinion is not what was being disproved. This exact illogical conclusion you reach is exactly why I step in and educated the majority of morons on here, most of whom happen to be Android fanboys like yourself. What was corrected, and further challenged, was your numerous claims about what the iPhone couldn't do which are simply wrong and/or completely useless to most users. Furthermore, you were given absolutely loads of counter arguments, to educate you as to real life practical things that you simply can't do with Android but can with iPhone. You were also asked to justify hating an ecosystem which is no worse than the Android one. I even clearly stated that preferring another phone or device is irrelevant, since if you were intelligent enough to take the context of this conversation into account, you would realise that all I am arguing is that true tech heads 'take an interest' in Apple products.

Final lesson: If you go out into the street and call people w***kers, they will call you it back. Yet despite seemingly doing the both thing, you are in the wrong, and they aren't. Exactly the same applies in this debate. You are the fanatic, I am the voice of reason. To be clear, I do not 'really really hate' Android. You DO 'really really hate' Apple, and that's your biggest failure.

I actually completely agree with this. I've said it quite often how quickly the Android fans start saying 'specs dont matter' now that the iPhone has the fastest CPU/GPU, yet look at the post from fulle (which I will clean up later) - banging on about specifications again, completely oblivious to the fact he's proving our point.

I personally have never said that specs don't matter, the illogical retort of the current Android fanboy, but rather I have said that people reach false conclusions whilst comparing specifications. For example, a 900ghz A5 may be very much faster than a 1.2ghz Android processor, and thus they are not comparing performance, but numbers (a completely illogical metric). Furthermore, once again Fulle steps in to prove our point by openly admitting that he's completely disregarded any software comparisons - a failure of epic proportions given that the hardware is completely irrelevant without it. The iPhone has always had a better integrated software and hardware combination which requires less hardware to perform the same, or performs better on the same hardware. Therefore, the iPhone 4S right now, having the fastest specification of CPU/GPU combined with the most tightly integrated software which runs the most efficiently, simply performs miles better than any Android phone.

miles better

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5365 [...] martphones
(scroll down a bit)

Rur, I specifically stated CPU/GPU for a reason.

Taking one benchmark which is CPU, is not relevant given that I specifically combined the CPU and the GPU. Since the interface is GPU accelerated this makes absolute sense.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41964.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41965.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4971/41962.png

So yes, miles better.

Oh and to include the Nexus:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/galax [...] 137-13.png

and..

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5133/42472.png

See above for why the iPhone 4S IS STILL the fastest CPU/GPU phone ever made. There is no 'small margin of victory' for Android phones at all, they haven't even progressed. Every phone released since the iPhone 4S is slower than the Samsung Galaxy S2 - which was already far slower than the iPhone 4S. I know this because I was looking forward to the Nexus coming out, considering buying it, but then it comes with an awful camera, and a GPU older than the old one found in the Galaxy S2. Please, get a clue - your statement is 100% blatantly incorrect.

Secondly, to disregard the software on the iPad 2 is, beyond ridiculous. The mass of apps which it has and quality of those apps compared to the Asus is reason alone to buy the device.

As for specifications, please:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5163/42748.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5163/42749.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5163/42760.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5163/42761.png

And battery life:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5163/42744.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5163/42745.png

See, when people such as yourself are so dumb to just look at the clock speeds and believe that any kind of conclusions can be reached, I cry a little for the sake of humanity.

Get a clue please thanks.

And of course, to use your own stupid argument, the iPad 2 is over 9 months old and it's performance has STILL not been matched. The iPad 3 is rumoured to be out imminently.

Oh really? So preferring a phone other than an iPhone is a mistake? You may just be the most rabid Apple fanboy on all of Tom's.

[citation]You didn't read it, yet you know you don't like it. Sounds like the kind of tech fan who doesn't have any interest in an Apple launch. Irrational, denial, bitter, fanboy.[/citation]
I read enough to see where it was going. Comments like your second sentence there are all I needed. You're basically saying that if you care about tech, you must be obsessed with Apple and follow its news religiously. You are the very definition of a fanboy. You cannot even comprehend that a person might not have your level of fandom, so you have categorized such opinions as simply wrong. You are very clearly the one behaving irrationally here. Of course, you won't believe me, that would require being able to objectively evaluate what it is you're doing and why. You clearly do not have the capacity to do that, as will be evidenced by yet another incredibly long-winded reply in which you attempt to show me the light and prove that I don't really want the features that I enjoy daily on my phone, like widgets and 4G.

[citation]Everything I stated is a fact or obviously simply an opinion.[/citation]
In other news, water is wet. Of course your statements are either fact or opinion. The problem is that you seem to frequently confuse opinion with fact, and declare the opinions of others to be categorically incorrect. I'm actually not so sure you even truly understand what the word opinion means, because you're trying very, very hard to prove an absolute truth of something that, by definition, is subjective.

[citation]You presented a series of arguments against Apple, which were incorrect.[/citation]
Oh really? My statements were incorrect?

[citation]Clearly, in educating you[/citation]
Oh please, you're educating me? You're one pretentious guy, you know that? You're just validating the stereotype of the condescending Apple fanboy who thinks they know everything about technology. But, in the sake of fairness, let's evaluate my arguments and your responses.

[citation]'Can you turn your 4S into a 4G hotspot with a single touch?'

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3574 (I am making an assumption that you want another device to be able to use the internet - the most useful case)[/citation]
Good one, literally changing my question. I asked if you could turn your phone into a 4G hotspot. Not if you could tether it. Come back when your iPhone pumps out a 25 megabit connection wirelessly, and for free. Because my phone can, and I can toggle it via widgets (yet another feature iOS lacks).

Score two points for Android.

[citation]'Can you replace the kernel with one more suited to your needs?'

Because the 'kernel' which comes with iPhones already works, doesn't contain so much bloatware and slow browsers like Android does, there is no need to change it. Every need I have is completely met by the iPhone, so I would absolutely not want to have the chore of replacing a kernel, and again by doing so void my warranty.[/citation]
Totally ignoring the point, and my central argument. I like chocolate, Apple serves vanilla. You clearly like vanilla, and that's fine, but your staunch refusal to believe anybody wants chocolate is delusional in the extreme. You have simply decided that everybody wants what you want, and this is not true. If it was, Android wouldn't be leading the smartphone market share by such a gigantic margin.

You can try as much as you like, but you cannot decide what everybody on the planet wants. Let them decide for themselves, and stop telling them they're wrong for making a different decision than you. You come off like a giant prick when you do that.

Being able to replace the kernel is about OPTIONS. The iPhone over the years has had some pretty massive omissions, like multitasking. Other times the implementations just plain suck, like notifications. Because the ecosystem (yes, I do know what the word means, you condescending cock) is totally locked down, you had to wait years for Apple to implement the feature. On Android, you can extend the OS in any way you want. Replace any feature you want. Do anything you want.

But freedom is bad and/or pointless, right Apple fanboy? Options are good. Not everyone wants what you want. Get it through your thick head that your opinion is not the universally held opinion.

[citation]'Can you modify the processor's voltage and frequency automatically to save battery life when you're not using it and crank up the speed when you are?'

You can enable and disable various features which can extend battery life, but since battery life is never an issue with a properly designed device (already fixed iPhone 4S issues aside), I never have a need to make my phone perform worse just to make it last longer.[/citation]
Again, ignoring the question. Enabling and disabling features isn't what I was asking if you could do. I wasn't asking if you could do something to extend the battery life, but reach all the way down to the hardware level and tweak voltage and frequency settings.

And if battery life is "never an issue," why don't you take an international flight and tell me you never run out of battery. Or forget to plug your phone in and need to use it heavily away from a charger the next day.

More battery life is always a good thing. This is just more Apple apologist crap that you don't need these features. Just like it didn't need multitasking before Apple added it, and specs weren't important until the iPhone took the performance crown briefly. I've heard it all before, and I'll hear it all again. Any feature the iPhone doesn't already have, you don't need. This is the very definition of denial.

Also tweaking voltage doesn't make the phone perform worse. If you actually had any experience with Android and what it could do, you'd know that. In addition, you can throttle the CPU frequency up and down to meet demands (also doesn't make the phone perform worse, because it's only at low frequencies when the power isn't needed). You know, like I said in the original question. Which you ignored.

Point, Android.

[citation]Yes, of course. Simply download Skyfire. I know that may not be the 5 hour exercise you seem to want to get any kind of usability out of your phone, but hey, it works.[/citation]
Nice, I get to pay for features my phone should have had to begin with! And nice ad hominem there. Installing flash is clearly a five hour exercise on Android. Oh wait, you just install it from the Market. And it's free. Just like that app that automatically adjusts your CPU to save battery life. But I guess things like this are just way too complicated for somebody like you and take several hours to complete. That or you're engaging in yet another ad hominem because your argument has no merit. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the latter.

[citation]What saddens me most is that people like you speak about the 'ecosystem' which you dislike, but you really don't have a clue what it actually means. There is not a single useful thing which can't be done with an iPhone that you can do with a typical Android phone, it's only for people who have some kind of money issues or some need to try and find an alternative to the popular (common sense) purchase.[/citation]
Wow, way to lay on the "I'm better than you" extra thick there. Are you aware that high end Android phones, which sell very well by the way, cost the same as an iPhone? So there goes your idiotic and condescending money remark. Are you trying to adhere to the smug Apple fanboy stereotype, or does it just come naturally?

As much as you desperately need to believe and prove that the iPhone is the "common sense" choice, this is just not the case. You want what you want. That's fine by me. I want what I want, but apparently you take so great an offense to that that you will post pages and pages dripping with smug superiority on here trying to "educate" this poor, stupid little Android fanboy. This Android fanboy, by the way, has owned more Apple phones than Android phones, and used Apple phones much longer than Android phones. I simply found that I like Android better. Why is that so offensive to you?

As a recap, here are some things that Android does that iPhone can't off the top of my head, because you say there isn't anything.

1. Undervolt the CPU for better battery life without negatively impacting performance.

2. Underclock the CPU when not in use for better battery life without negatively impacting performance.

3. Replace the kernel to add or tweak features on the phone. Before you say this is pointless because the iPhone has no flaws, refer to this list for a list of things the iPhone can't do, many of which would be possible with simple software that Apple has disallowed.

4. 4G. HSPA+ doesn't count, 4G will run consistently in the 20-25 megabit range, HSPA+ is 14.4 theoretical max.

5. Free wireless tethering, baked into the OS, not reliant on carrier packages.

6. Free Flash in any browser you like.

7. Widgets.

8. Run whatever apps you like. I'm sure you'll try to spin this as a negative aspect, but I'll just laugh and keep on playing my SNES games on my phone that scales performance to demand automatically while you pretend this is yet another one of the features you don't really need.

And again, I'm done reading your post. The message is loud and clear. Your opinion is one of obvious ignorance and denial. There isn't anything an Android phone can do that iPhone can't? Don't make me laugh! But please, go on telling me how much better and smarter you are than me because of what fucking PHONE you prefer.

You are a walking, breathing stereotype. When confronted with a differing opinion, you immediately break out the smug condescension and ad hominem. Anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Anyone who wants something iPhone doesn't offer is an idiot. Anyone who doesn't follow Apple news religiously is an idiot. Your opinion is the only correct one, and it's so obviously correct that to have a different opinion is a mortal sin requiring immediate "education."

Get your head out of your ass. If the choices were so obvious as you claim, Android wouldn't be totally dominating iOS in market share. If that was a result of only bargain bin phones, then people wouldn't be getting excited about new flagship Android phones (and you conveniently ignore the fact that you can get older model iPhones just as cheap as you can most Android sets).

But you know what the funny thing in all this is? All this post is going to do is piss you off. You probably read this, seething with anger at how cocky this stupid little Android fanboy is (because of course, anybody who doesn't want an iPhone is an Android fanboy, facts be damned), and you're just going to fire off yet another smug, ignorance filled, hateful rant about how delusional and stupid I am for not sharing your OPINIONS.

So my honest attempt to explain to you a simple concept, that some people have different needs and desires as you, will serve only to cause you to come back proving yet again what a high and mighty, closed minded, intolerant prick you are.

So I'll save you the trouble. Everybody has an opinion, but apparently only yours is correct and anyone who disagrees just needs to be "educated." Did I sum it up well enough?

Failure-to-read.com




Ironic.com?
Excellent use of citations, my intelligent friend :-)




Failure-to-grasp-simple-logic.org
(Learn the difference between ‘taking an interest’ and ‘obsessed with… follow..religiously’)


Again, your opinion was not being disproved (maybe repetition will enable you to understand). What was being disputed were the factual claims you made, and now the illogical conclusions you reach.


Because…. I have a different opinion to you? Cue massive wall of text? It’s not irrational to have a logical, intelligent brain capable of understanding basic logic. You do, of course, need intelligence to recognise intelligence. That’s probably the issue here.


Yes if I indeed wrote a long, educational post I would indeed be proving that only ‘losers’ write long posts /end sarcasm. You enjoy ‘widgets’ LOL! Let’s be clear, this isn’t about what you enjoy (notice the common theme here) – the point is you claimed things which simply aren’t true. As for 4G, I wonder how you’re enjoying that, do you have a 4G party? More on that later.



Lets try to remember, your opinion, as you already openly admitted is biased, is completely irrelevant, to pretty much everyone. Again, and maybe you need to make a note of this or something?... what was being disputed was your factual claims.


I wonder why you need to ask this after I already went through the claims and enlightened you?


LOL, I love the anger here. I’m being condescending because you’re confused. For example, you were already informed that I’m not anti-Android or pro-Apple, but failed to grasp it. You, on the other hand, openly admit to being an anti-apple fanboy, and then use fanboyism as an insult? Bless.


And you use this for….. that’s right, tethering. See, you’re changing the technology, but not the use, and that’s the failing. As for ‘toggling it via widgets’ – do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds? If I tether using my phone, I too have magical ‘switches’ and ‘buttons’ to control it with.


Again, actually, your failure to grasp basic logic surfaces. See, you confuse an operating system with the end goal. That is the failing of people who have no real life. The operating system is there to ENABLE you to order whichever ice-cream you want. You wouldn’t buy one tub of icecream so that you could work on it for 5 hours and void your warranty and change the flavour to another one. That isn’t a selling point, it’s simply illustrating how bad the default one is. And what’s more, changing the ‘kernel’ on a phone is not a practical benefit, or use, at all. It doesn’t allow you to achieve anything, it is a goal purely created by the concept of the smartphone, not something which can be made easier or accomplished by a smartphone.


Actually, the opinion polls show that iOS is much, much preferred by its users than Android. The only reason Android is used in more phones is because a) They have to be cheaper because otherwise people would buy iPhones, b) It’s free (due to the number of copyrights and patents it breaches) and c) It is used by 10x the manufacturers of the iOS system, yet sells nowhere near 10x as much. Lets just reemphasise that many people using Android DISLIKE it, far more than iOS. And that’s despite the ‘feature’ of being able to spend 5 hours trying to get it to something good, after the 10 hours removing all the bloatware.


I wonder if I should send this to you on a postcard, it may finally sink in that way? Your OPINION is irrelevant, and NOT BEING DEBATED HERE. The FACTS are. Furthermore, if you had read my post you would realise that I specifically said that people can prefer other phones, my modest (and obvious claim to anyone with a brain) is that people who are ‘tech junkies’ would take an interest in Apple products. That’s just a simple, obvious reality. Yet you say I look like a ‘prick’ for pointing that out? Loving the anger again though, by the way, bit ironic :-)


You can multitask on the iphone. Lets be clear that when we talk, now, we are talking about now. That is, now, you know, not ‘over the years’ or ‘over the rainbow’ like most Android fans end up resorting to.


You mean the notification system that has been accused of being a copy of Androids?


I think this is my favourite sentence in your entire tearful rant!! Love it.


Right, so, lets get this straight. The source code to Android 3 was never even released. But, because it was ‘open’ , you, a mainstream user, popped open the source code, corrected all the Android failings over the course of 3-4 weeks, rooted your phone with the new hardware, in so doing voiding your warranty, and then ended up using an operating system which has not been properly tested in any way and may have introduced new security flaws? Putting aside the physical impossibility due to the ‘open’ source code never being released, do you not realise how pathetic that is? Hell, if the system is so ‘open’, why do phones less than 2 years old not even get the ICS system, even BRAND NEW phones.


… if they enable you to achieve something practical that you couldn’t underwise..


LOL @ ‘thick head’ – that’s my 2nd favourite insult in your entire rant. I’ll mention the opinion thing again in case it hasn’t quite sunk it – your OPINION is not relevant, and was never disputed. You’re free to make whatever idiotic choices or have any illogical preferences you want, I don’t care about you. What I cleared up in your mound of drivel was the actual reality of the situation for EVERYONE, not you.


Well lets be very clear, when you are ‘tweaking the voltage’ you are in fact disabling a feature – that feature being good performance. My iPhone can happily last through 20 international flights if I so chose, and if you need to use a phone ‘heavily’ when it’s low on battery, slowing it down isn’t going to help matters. In fact, with the time to idle argument you will actually consume more battery accomplishing the same things. Furthermore, using your example, the example I gave of disabling features is a perfectly reasonable and successful solution. As I said though, since the iPhone doesn’t drain battery to the epic extent that Android does, it’s not something which has ever been an issue for me.


Sorry, who said anything about ‘before’? I didn’t? Bottom line, you can multitask on the iPhone. Are you going to hold it against TV companies that ‘before’ they were black and white, and therefore manufacturers who never built in black and white are better? Please, get with the times.


Briefly? Replace that word with ‘presently’ or ‘currently’ (English lesson for you). And see above reply to Vladislaus for comprehensive rebuttal to that accusation. To dumb it down for you, I’ve never said specs weren’t important (firstly) – so to imply that I did is just illogical. Secondly, when specs ARE compared the performance of those specs should be the relevant factor, not the numerical value. The iPhone historically has always felt and run applications faster than Android, even when the Mhz is higher on the Android., because it utilises memory and processor in a far more efficient way – one of the many benefits of using a ‘closed’ system.


Is that so? So, are you ‘denying’ the possibility that I, and the majority of users, actually DON’T need the feature? Or is that not possible?



You’re absolutely right. I forgot about the magical voltage reduction which saves energy and prolongs battery life with no adverse consequences. I want a magic switch like that on my iPhone on which I never have battery life issues, please!!! :-) lol



Well if you’re really going to talk about it in terms of only using less power when the power isn’t needed, then the iPhone (and most processors) already have that built in. Look up ‘race to idle’ – see, a true techy wouldn’t have to look that up. They would certainly know that part of the reason energy efficiency is improving in general is largely due to race to idle, and that CPU’s automatically throttle the voltage when less power is required. It would make no sense whatsoever to make this a manual, cumbersome option, of course. Any ‘app’ which does this, can only exploit any inefficiency if there are flaws in the Android system. Particularly, as the processor can tweak itself thousands of times per second in line with the demand.



When I stated 5 hours, I meant a conservative estimate of the time spent rooting your phone with a new ‘kernal’ before you can even think about installing flash. As for crying about $2 for an App, maybe that’s really the issue with you, money that tight?


Are you aware that none of those ‘high end Android phones’ which ‘cost the same as an iPhone’ (which you will need to evidence by the way, since that would make even more mockery of the claims of being overpriced which fly around here from idiots like yourself every day), sell as much as the iPhone, and that the majority of Android users are on cheaper handsets with lower specifications?


Why not repeat it again, hey, since the first 50 times escapes you? I don’t care which system you like. What I do care about is you justifying it claiming facts which are simply untrue. You can prefer dressing in skirts and wearing a bra all you like, but just don’t tell me it’s because the Bra covers up more of your body than a t-shirt. Do you get it now? Was that simple enough an analogy?


This is inbuilt and automated in any properly designed phone, including the iPhone 4S. There is absolutely a performance impact, and if there wasn’t, why would you ever turn it off?


I still think you just don’t get this. You don’t buy something like a smartphone, with an end goal of being able to waste time ‘doing’ the smartphone. You buy it to achieve things, like making phone calls, sending emails, using remote desktop, wirelessly streaming to your TV, being able to see high resolution images at a high DPI. You don’t buy a device so that you can switch the ‘kernel’ on said device. That’s not a practical use, that’s an inconvenience and only relevant if the device is unsatisfactory to begin with. Furthermore, it does not result in any of the ‘features’ you say the iPhone lacks, and it voids the warranty


First of all, your ignorance surfaces. The majority of the world doesn’t have 4G connectivity, and where it exists, it is often sketchy, with the THEORETICAL maximums never being reached. That alone makes this point completely, absolutely irrelevant to more people than not. Secondly, when you’re not using Wifi, you’re using your mobile data plan. Even unlimited plans in most countries are capped at reasonable levels such as 500 or 1,000mb per month. If you’re downloading at 25 megabits per second, that 1000mb will last you a little over 5 minutes. And what is there that you can actually do, that you would ordinarily do, out and about and away from wifi, where you would actually notice the difference? Going from 14.4 megabits to 20-25 megabits is only something you would notice when carrying out prolonged downloads, which I have already explained can’t be done using mobile plans in the vast majority of countries. Secondly, many other countries DO support the 14.4 Mbps HSDPA, which means that they can actually achieve better speeds using the iPhone 4S than they can with a 4G phone. Finally, there is actually less of a distinction than you are aware of, I will quote you an excerpt from Anandtech:





This is simply incorrect. Regardless of your handset, you are breaching your contract terms if you tether without the OS providing it as part of the package. It is NOT free and carries ARE clamping down on it, devising methods to detect tethering. Continue to do so in breach of your contract if you want, but don’t come crying to me when you get a fine. Furthermore, if you were criminal and immoral in that respect you are free to jailbreak your iPhone, then you can install all the ‘Widgets’ (ROFL) that you like and breach your contract by tethering without a plan.


Yes, I will concede you have to shell out the massive $2 extra to get flash. Cheaper than buying the mandatory second battery for Android, though. I guess I could do some ‘work’ in that 5 hours while you’re installing a new ‘kernel’ and earn that $2! LOL. I guess some of us value our time more than that.


I can’t even take this one seriously. Hey guys, I’m buying a phone? Why? Because I want a phone with WIDGETS! Lol!!!!!!! Widgets which let you do… what? That you can’t on an iPhone? Nothing. See post above for workaround for people (like yourselves) who quite happily void their warranty.


I’m glad that you realise that there is an obvious and evidence-by-reality massive security flaw, in allowing this, right? You can download a SNES emulator for the iPhone too, if you want. Again, a really big mass-market you’re appealing to there.
Did you address any of mine? The fastest CPU/GPU, meaning the best overall, gaming, and just about anything experience? One of the best cameras? Wirelessly stream picture to TV? iCloud? Siri? Secure App Store (and biggest App store)? Excellent screen DPI? Not a brick? (Like most Androids) Better battery life (and no need to download apps to try and correct it)? Better customer satisfaction ratings (ie it comes with software you actually like using)? No Bloatware? No ‘false’ claims of being open when in fact the source code is never released? Sky Sports app? (simply can’t do this in Android)? Arguably better build quality? Support for ALL devices for AT LEAST 2 years? (poor Android fans)… see all of these things actually MATTER, and that’s the point. They actually serve a purpose, or provide a benefit. When you reply with ‘Widgets’ – you quite frankly just look ridiculous. The fact remains, there isn't anything an Android phone can do that iPhone can't. Not one.



The only time my ‘opinion’ is the ‘correct one’ is when dealing with facts. As I provided for, in the Bra example above. Please read that and try to grasp it. You made a series of false, factual claims, and I corrected all of them. I don’t care what your opinion is. The justification for said opinion is what is incorrect. You’re an idiot because of THAT, not because you choose one phone over another. I, on the other hand, by a phone based on logical, pragmatic reasons, which are actually true. I don’t try to convince myself a load of lies (which you clearly do, as I have just proven) to justify choosing a phone because I ‘really really hate’ a company – which by the way, is pretty much the definition of irrational.


LOL I think someone poked the angry little Android boy :-)
If you want to argue that iPhone is as good value as Android, then you spit in the face of the majority of Android fans. Ironically, being more expensive is something I would freely concede, since anyone with any knowledge whatsoever knows that iPhones of equivalent eras cost more. That is, combined with the 10x manufacturers, the reason they sell more – they are simply cheaper. No one handset outsells the iPhone, and the customer satisfaction ratings are awful in comparison.


This is quite funny. I wonder, if someone was looking over my comments, and the comments of yours which I quoted, who is being perfectly reasonable, balanced, logical and calm, and who is swearing, shouting around angrily, you know, generally throwing his barbies out of the pram?


Final time, just for good luck. Your OPINIONS are not relevant. Your JUSTIFICATIONS which masquerade as being facts are where you illustrate your stupidity, and your claims of ‘really, really hating Apple’ are what makes you a fan boy. Perfectly obvious, perfectly clear. For example, your claim that you ‘cant use Flash on an iPhone’ was duly disproved. Stupid comment, logical counter. You rant on and on about having a different opinion but I don’t discuss opinions. Some people still believe that the earth is flat. Some people still believe that ‘widgets’ are reasons to buy a phone. Opinions can be stupid, and they are subjective, and can’t be objected to. Further evidence of your stupidity is that you didn’t realise I wasn’t attacking your opinion, but the REASONS for that opinion which were simply not true. As I already stated, I’m not anti-Android, and I’m not pro-Apple, I write this from a Windows PC, and I was looking forward (only to be disappointed) by the launch of the Nexus Prime – with a view to buying it. I’m just logical, honest and open. The only reason you are interpreting that as fanboyism is because you have an extreme anti-apple dislike which screams of insecurity. You say you’ve owned Apple products yet you also say you ‘really, really hate Apple’ which is completely ridiculous, and contradictory. You say you simply ‘prefer Android’ yet this wouldn’t give you anywhere near the level of child-like anger you’ve exhibited here. And what’s even worse, is after all this, you still don’t grasp the original premise, the point from which you’ve digressed so far you don’t even remember – the whole point is that you don’t even HAVE TO prefer the iPhone, to take an interest in it. The point is simply that any ‘tech junkie’, someone invested and interested in technology, DOES take an interest in what the largest technology company in the world is doing. Are you really disputing that? Or just screaming abuse at someone who proves your justifications for hating Apple?
Bless.

who disproves* :-)

Excellent use of ad hominem, yet again, my delusional friend. Misuse of tags is clearly a sign of unintelligence.


Claim whatever you want, we all know the real meaning is in the subtext. Your excessively long winded replies clearly show your beliefs. Stating otherwise isn't going to convince anybody.


You didn't dispute any of them. See the part of my post where I covered that. You went on to claim a number of highly pretentious things, like the only reason not to buy an iPhone was that you're broke or hate Apple, paraphrasing of course.

Oh, and what illogical conclusions? The conclusion that I prefer Android is illogical? Because that's all I've been saying, that I have a preference that is not yours. I'm not saying one platform is better than any other. I said I personally prefer one over the other, and you flip out with a couple walls of text trying to "educate" me.


Oh the irony! You've basically been arguing this entire time that my opinion is wrong, I'm simply stating that I have an opinion. So apparently your opinion is that I'm not allowed to have an opinion?


Irony meter just exploded. Go check your walls of text posted long before mine. You've probably typed close to five times as much as I have. But please, go on and call me out for a single long winded post when you're on your third. It's quite funny.


And cue more of your vapid "I'm better than you" rhetoric. You really are determined to live out every single Apple fanboy stereotype, aren't you?


Irrelevant and dodging the question.


Yet more ad hominem. Shout as loud as you want about what your argument really is about, when you say shit like the only reason to buy and Android phone is because you can't afford an iPhone, your real views are patently obvious. Might want to check how many times you've been rated down and me rated up. Nobody is buying your crap.


Totally missing my point for the thousandth time. I'm not saying my opinion is relevant to anyone. I'm saying it's relevant to me, and your need to berate me, or anyone, until I see the light of the iPhone is asinine. I like Android. You like iOS. End of story, or it would have been if you didn't feel the need to attack anyone who says they prefer something other than your precious.


Really? That's all you were doing? Let's go check.


That's you implying that my reasons for preferring Android are invalid, and by extension an implication that my opinion is wrong. Strike one.


That's you saying that your needs are universal and nobody want something you don't (like swapping the kernel). And again by extension, that my desire to have that level of control is unnecessary and that any opinion based on that desire is again wrong. Strike two.


Marginalizing a feature not available by using a straw man argument. I never said to dial down the power to an unusable level. In fact, I've been very clear about what I said, but you have misrepresented what I said at literally every opportunity. Strike three.


Stating that the features missing from iPhone are not useful, and again by extension, the desire for those features irrelevant...you get the gist. You've done this dance enough. Strike four.


Irrelevant and ad hominem to boot. That you think being open source protects you from copyright infringement is cute. Strike five.


Yeah, that's totally not dripping with smug superiority. This is basically flat out stating that picking an Android handset is wrong. It's either because you're broke, have no common sense or are insecure.

I think I've pretty well established that you're waging a personal campaign against Android and have stated on numerous occasions that the only logical preference is for iPhone, and thus differing opinions are incorrect. You don't really want me to continue, do you? I've not even made it through half your post.


Man, you never miss an opportunity to bask in your own superiority, do you? Enlightened me? Man that's pretentious. You are every negative Apple fanboy stereotype made flesh.


Anger? I'm just pointing out how much of a tool you are. I fail to see where you're getting a sense of anger. Calling you a pretentious bastard is a statement of fact, and despite what you've decided, I'm not remotely angry. I actually very much enjoy delusional fanboys like yourself. Unending fun on forums, because you just keep digging yourself into bigger holes. See your constant assertions of how brilliant and better than me you are for an example. I could honestly care less what you think of yourself or me, all I care is that people will be able to read this and laugh at what a fool you've made of yourself. In it for the lulz, as some would say.


Oh man, this is just gold. You just stated that you think it's okay to be a smug asshole as long as you're right. Isn't it kind of the calling card of smug assholes to always think they're right, and thus you've rationalized always acting like a smug asshole?



Ahh yes, because you deny it then it must not be true! You can't shout this down, your true feelings are patently obvious.


Anti-apple fanboy? Methinks you're not quite right on the definition of a fanboy. Fanboys have an irrational love for something. Stating that I hate Apple (a company, not any of their products) does not make me an Android fanboy. I actually like the iPhone a lot, as evidenced by my buying two of them. I just like Android more. I'm not a fanboy of anything, I just think Apple has some seriously sleazy business practices, like trying to criminalize their users for modifying devices that they own and resorting to patent trolling when Android overtook them in market share.

The products are great, the company is not.


And you're again missing the whole point. I didn't say the iPhone couldn't tether. I'm saying that its connection quality is strictly inferior. Can your device tether to internet that's faster than most home internet? No, it can't. That's the point. But feel free to keep harping on the same point and ignore what I've said for the third time. It will be sure to work next time.


Widgets were just thrown in as yet another feature iOS lacks. That you think this is the crux of my argument is what's truly pathetic. But feel free to make another few hundred straw man arguments.


What, you're resorting to an ad hominem? Why, I didn't expect this at all! Oh, wait, that's been the crux of your posts from the beginning. Snore.


That might be the worst analogy I've ever heard. And yet another straw man to boot. And I'm beginning to seriously doubt your claims of intelligence if it takes you five hours to root an Android device. Took me about fifteen minutes.

From here on out, I'm not even going to bother explaining why your straw man arguments are invalid. It's getting tiring, because it's literally all you're doing.


Straw man and ad hominem. The desire for choice is not an indication that the default is inferior.


Irrelevant. Everything you do the phone doesn't have to be the end goal of having the phone. This is like saying you shouldn't download apps because you only want to use apps, not download them. A means to an end.


Because the average user wants a very simple experience. I don't mind a few hoops to jump through to get more freedom with my phone. But apparently it's a totally irrational desire and I'm flat out wrong for it. I'm not saying everyone should get an Android phone or that Android is better. I'm simply saying that I like Android. Your straw mans are getting out of hand.


Ahh, it had been a few sentences since you'd added a layer of your personal brand of Better Than You (tm). Out of curiosity, how do you explain the flagship Android phones being successful?


Lol. This again. Open source doesn't mean you get to infringe on copyrights. Might want to get a clue before you say something this stupid again, because this is the second time you've said it. Absolutely hilarious.


Irrelevant. If the iPhone were such a clear and obvious choice, it should be dominating the market no matter how many people make shitty inferior phones. This isn't random selection, people are free to choose the iPhone if there is one competing Android phone or fifty.


And this is where you appear to be totally abandoning the pretense that you're just "educating" or "enlightening" me about my misconceptions about the iPhone and are just ranting about how terrible Android is. My point remains this, and only this. I prefer Android.


Speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You state that anyone can prefer Android, then moments later rant for paragraph after paragraph about how that preference is wrong. You can call your ass an ice cream truck all you want, but at the end of the day it still stinks.


Never said you couldn't.


And I'm just pointing out past examples of things that the freedom Android offers is useful for. I in no way attempted to represent this as a current limitation of the device. So yeah, strawman #2,981.


No, the one the old one. strawman #2,982. This is getting tedious.


Huh? Now you're literally just making things up. Never said I did any of that, but guess what. Other people have. That's kind of why there are dozens of custom ROMs out there. You know, because people took the source code, modified it, and produced something new. I think I'm done. Also, nice job calling the AOSP community pathetic. Instead of doing something worthwhile, they should clearly be spending all their time ranting about how terrible Android is and how anyone who uses it is stupid. Yes sir, they sure are pathetic for keeping to themselves and enjoying their hobby. Pathetic as pathetic gets.

You sure are so much better than all those people. So much better in fact that I bet you list "I'm better than you" on your resume, rather than "Contributed to the AOSP project and created a custom ROM," because that's so much more impressive to prospective employers. Yes sir, you win at life. Those pathetic geeks should just go kill themselves now, right?

Skipping along because holy shit your post is long (and you called me out for writing a wall of text? Lol.)


Irrelevant. I do have 4G service, and I've only ever been talking about the phone I prefer. Next irrelevant argument?


Not in my area. I've only failed to get a 4G signal a few times over the last year. Next?


Irrelevant. The numbers I gave you are my real world performance numbers. Which are 50-100% higher than the theoretical maximum that the 4S can achieve. Next?


Misrepresenting my argument again. How many times do I have to tell you that all I'm saying is I prefer Android? I'm not speaking for anybody else, like you are trying to.


Irrelevant yet again. I'm on unlimited, no cap. I don't care that somebody else on some other carrier in some other country might not get as good a use of it as me. I'm only speaking for me.


Irrelevant, moving on.


Downloading large apps, tethering your laptop and downloading large files. I actually downloaded the Windows 8 developer preview through my phone's internet while I was sitting in an airport. The extra speed is very, very noticeable.


And I've already explained this is not my situation. Moving on.


Irrelevant for a number of reasons that I've already mentioned.


You are aware that the iPhone 4S isn't a DC-HSPA+ device, right? That will require a different antenna. Also, I'd like to point out when you said:


I guess we were only talking about now until it was convenient for you to call up future enhancements to the network to try to diminish the advantage of LTE.

And with that, I'm done. I've seen enough of your straw man ridden ad hominem attacks to understand what's coming next. I'm pathetic, I'm stupid for not preferring iPhone, etc. etc..

My eyes are about to start bleeding from the sheer quantity of stupid you've vomited all over this thread, and if you don't mind, I'm going to go play with my phone. Maybe take advantage of that LTE radio and try out a new custom ROM. Probably won't take five hours to do it, though. I prefer to just select it from a list on my phone, download it over my 20+ megabit connection and be up and running inside of 5 minutes while I watch TV. But I guess I'm not doing it right since it didn't take five hours.