Damn, im on eastlink.

P2P is mainly used to exchange software, movies and music that was obtained illegally.

when will this be stopped as it is against the law and pure theft.

i hope they investgate my cable company cause there the worst in canada they cripple everything. bittorrent, P2P, and even FTP. when i ever have to download a driver from the HP website i et dial-up sppeds from my cable internet because HP uses FTP server

Who are we really stealing from? The artist or the money hungry record company? I for one am proud to not support the later.

If P2P was only used for illegal acts I could understand this. But the fact is there are legal things to download on P2P programs and even things like Blizzard's Downloader is based upon bittorrent.

This doesn't just effect pirates in the end of the day.

I got Rogers and my P2P speeds are the same or even better than my other downloads from website etc. :S

no record company, no distribution channel , no revenue for artists.


remove the record company and a lot of artists will be looking for another line of work.

what ever happened to prosecuting those who break the law? Downloading music that wasn't meant to be distributed for free removes record sales. No record sales means no paycheck for artist's.


say what you will but this is like the auto industry right now. If you cant sell car's " music" many repercussions will happen.

dealership's will closes. " Music store's"
factorys will close that manufactor the car "sony, MGM, Rockefeller records"
parts factory's will close cause they got nobody to sell too. "the artists"

Why aren't these things already happening then?

Piracy is already rampant, so the things you say should already be happening, but they aren't.

pure theft, that is an interesting thought. Is it pure theft to make 1500% on a single product? If you went in for an oil change and your bill was 300$ would you consider that theft? Is it theft to read a magazine in a coffee house? how about at a magazine sales stand? Is it theft to trade a CD with a friend even though he already ripped the CD to his iPOD?

When does normal traffic begin to be affected by these tactics? Instead of spending money to try and hold onto your profit margins, why not spend the money to expand and increase bandwidth?

The BitTorrent file sharing process is deep founded in many legitiment companies and legal downloads. The fact that pirates often use it is no excuse to cripple everyone on a network, just because. When I had a fps clan, I used p2p to transfer everything clan related, including custom maps and mods. It was dead useful. So because I have a torrent client on my computer, I'm a pirate?

Yes, now burn in hell for your sins.

If all new CD's cost around the $20 mark then no it's not theft at all to charge that regardless of what the mark up is on it (1500%??). Even if you are only interested in the one song. It's still illegal no matter how you slice it to download the album or just the one song.

On the comment about piracy's ripply effect, here in Kitchener, Ontario, at the biggest mall in the area (Fairview Mall), in the past two years 2 out of the 3 music shops have gone out of business. Whether this is happening elsewhere too I can't say, but I'd have to assume it is. I think the entire MusicWorld chain of stores in Canada is completely gone.

That said, there shouldn't be any throttling over the networks just because of the pirates choice of distribution for the reasons given (lots of legitimate use of BitTorrent, etc). Major changes need to be happening at the distribution level of the industries to get cheaper, personalized music and movies to customers. Games.. well that's a much more difficult area of piracy to handle that I won't get into.

You do know the Labels, not the Artists, make huge amounts of money from sales?

CDs shouldn't cost what they do, back in the day cassettes were cheaper than CDs, but somehow a pressed piece of plastic that costs much less than a cent to manufacture costs almost double what it would cost to create a complex set gears, plastic housing , and tape.

CDs shouldn't cost as much as they do, and more of the money from the sales should be going to the Artists who create the music, not the labels that simply publish them. Especially in today's day and age, where anyone with some creative talent and a revver account can make some good cash.

If the Music industry would offer their product at lower prices, they wouldn't be having the issues they have now.

P2P is not only for illegal activities, legitimate uses (such as the Blizzard downloader service for Warcraft updates) now use P2P to boost download rates to customers.

Traffic shaping affects these services as well.

Record labels wont go away just the big ones. Plus were in the digital age we don't need labels to mass produce and distribute a product. The internet is all a musician needs.

The business is changing and with it the old are dying and new innovative ones will take their place. Music will never go away.

And listening in on customers trafic isn't illigal and against the law? I'm not from canada, so I don't know the laws there. But here it would be a breach of a persons privacy similar to when a phone service provider would listen in on sms and other communication means on your phone.

And for the record - while p2p trafic might be illigal it isn't always. There is plenty of freeware and other non protected data floating around. Some companies even release their software by seeding it. It's a free steam if you like. They don't have to pay the upkeep, merely make sure to seed it in the first place.

And that's why I do my P2P downloading in the morning while its still fast.

Downloading music is legal in Canada.

Correction: Downloading music you paid for, or music that is not copyrighted, is legal in Canada.

No. Downloading any music is legal in Canada.

No Meat, Zak is right here. If you haven't paid for it and if it's copyrighted, our criminal code say it's illegal.

What you might be thinking about are Canadian citizen's privacy rights, which states that our personal information can't just be given over to the record labels so that they can take legal action. So in that way we are 'protected' to some degree, but it's still illegal and there's actually a bill going through the gov't right now trying to change some of our privacy laws - you should look it up and sign the petitions against it. I did a while ago or I would give you the link.

You are indeed right. It is only illegal to upload copyrighted material. So you can legaly download a copyrighted song that someone else uploaded. Let the others pay the fine! I didn't know we had such a mentality.

Copying music for personal use is legal in Canada, and downloading is considered the same as copying. We pay a tariff on blank media that is distributed to Canadian artists. It works out better for the artists, but the recording industry doesn't like it because they don't see a penny of the money.

Yikes, I stand corrected as well then! I wasn't aware of the upload vs download difference, and I wasn't aware that downloading carries the same legal definition as copying.

I believe the privacy laws would still prevent ISP's from giving out your personal info though if you were uploading if the industry wanted to bust a legal cap in your ass.

It's been too long since I've read up on this stuff, might have to take an extended coffee break later today

so you want them to arrest half the population of the U.S.A? or maybe even more than half of the worlds population? that will go well in a bad economy.

To bad Cogeco Can't filter the traffic if I encrypt the data thats being sent to me, I'd rather have P2P Filtering then this 60GB / 100B Bandwith cap per month, just playing games and downloading patches I go over that, every month.

Correction correction: its legal to download but it is illegal to upload data that is not yours

I hope they add Shaw to this list. They are terrible traffic shappers (though good luck getting them to admit it). P2P can be horribly slow. I even had them throttling a third party VOIP service - I had to give up the service because call quality was nonexistant. Suckers hooked me into their phone over cable service though.

The funny thing is, I run both Windows and Mac OS X on my PC and under OS X I get amazing download speeds. It's like their throttling system can't see what I'm doing on OS X.

As a user of Rogers for my home internet here in Canada, I can say all the ISPs here are crooks and they should all be investigated.

Not even a year ago we move from an internet plan with unlimited bandwidth to a limit of 50GB a month for the standard plan. Customers should not get less for MORE, yet that is exactly what they are doing.

The traffic shaping is unacceptable, torrents have been purposely slowed, even though we use them for legitimate purposes (like all my linux ISOs), so after torrent clients started using encryption to bypass the traffic they decided to slow down all encrypted traffic, including legitimate SSL!

Right now there is nothing stopping these ISPs from prioritizing their own traffic from their own partners over someone else's. The CRTC should have stepped in to crack down years ago on this.

I left rogers for that exact same reason, one day its unlimited, then one day its capped to 25gb, 50gb and 90gb.


I moved to cia.com. They have the worst customer service in the world. But during the non-peak hours, you get the full 7mbit, otherwise during peak, its like dialup

Hmm, I have Shaw (10Mb down / 1Mb up) and downloading torrents I have always been able to run at max speed. When downloading anything with a lot of seeds I've never had my download rate at less than 1MB/second. My upload rate is always (24/7) at 120-130KBps (for about 3 years straight now, minus the occasional reboot). I've downloaded a 40GB torrent and maintained 1.1-1.2MBps for the entire download.