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Craigslist: We're Singled Out for Erotic Services

- By - Source : Tom's Guide US

Earlier today we reported that South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster was going ahead with his planned criminal investigation of Craigslist, despite the fact that the site last week eliminated its Erotic Services section.

Craigslist responded via its own blog and understandably is more than a little upset that the changes the company made because of McMaster are being pooh-poohed in such a manner.  “He evidently feels justified in singling out Craigslist for investigation, and publicly condemning me personally as being worthy of criminal prosecution,” reads the post.

The author of the blog posting (not listed) goes on to point out that the adult services section for Greenville, SC has a total of one ad for the last three days, featuring a photograph of a fully clothed individual. Just in case McMaster was referring to the recently closed but still live Erotic Services section, the Craigslist blogger points out that the the Erotic Services section for Greenville has a total eight ads all of which are tame and will expire in in a couple of days.

In contrast, Craigslist goes to great lengths to highlight how many other services still allow sections similar to the now closed Erotic Services section with far more explicit content than what appeared under the Erotic Services header on Craigslist.

Indeed it seems Craigslist is not alone in its belief that McMaster is being unfair. One commenter going by the name of Ken Hawkins claims to head up an online newspaper in Charleston, South Carolina and goes on to say the targeting of Craigslist over print media is not going unnoticed. “Frankly, we’ve been embarrassed by McMaster’s actions and inability to differentiate in this case. - And McMaster’s probably bid for governor does not escape us nor does the targeting of Craigslist over print media.”

Do you think Craigslist is being unfairly targeted by South Carolina? Indeed, the company makes a convincing argument in the blog posting above, including linking to explicit material on local SC sites that are not being targeted. Let us know what you think in the comments below!

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Pei-chen 05/18/2009 11:26 PM
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Platypus 05/18/2009 11:31 PM
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JWL3 05/18/2009 11:32 PM
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JWL3 05/18/2009 11:34 PM
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outacontrolpimp 05/18/2009 11:43 PM
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I dont think craigslist should be criminalized at all. They are offering a free service. just like with all the torrent crap, go after the law breakers, not the suppliers. I could use myspace to advertise myself as a pimp looking for hoes, criminalize myspace now too?

Anonymous 05/18/2009 11:45 PM
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gorehound 05/19/2009 12:01 PM
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i do not think they should be criminalized.

they just offer adds by folks out there and not businesses and they are a free site to look thru or to post to.

dman3k 05/19/2009 12:05 PM
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Why don't we legalize prostitution in the first place?

JWL3 05/19/2009 12:14 PM
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hellwig 05/19/2009 12:26 PM
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It definately sounds to me like this guy is riding the "Craigslist Bad" phenomenon to try to get some votes out of the technologically ignorant members of his state. I mean, tell someone who doesn't use a computer that Craigslist advertises prostitutes (*mumble* in other states *mumble*) and then that you are going to work to ban Craigslist from the internet. Of course they'll vote for you, they have no idea what your talking about, and unless your competitor also vows to rid the internet of Craigslist, he'll sound like he supports prostitution.

This is similar to the cliche "Think about the Children!" cry to ban pornography. Or saying someone supports Al Queda because they are against the war in Iraq (where Al Queda had no foothold until we ousted Sadam Hussein, but I digress).

jerreece 05/19/2009 12:34 PM
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JWL3 :
No one is talking about criminalizing Craig's list fools. It's the sex section in Craig's list that is the problem.Ignoring the argument about whether or not prostitution should be legalized, it currently is illegal. Therefore, any postings on magazines, papers, websites, for prostitution should be illegal. If Craig's List had a section titled "Murder for hire" to hook up killers and someone who wants someone else whacked, there'd be an uproar, and rightly so. This is the same legal premise. Craig's list can't claim as its defense that it's just providing a medium for posters.



But the legal debate is valid. Using your "Murder for hire" bit, what if some guy uses a cell phone (service provided by say, AT&T) to call and tell people about his services as a hit man. Do you then charge AT&T for conspiring to commit murder?

There has a be a line drawn somewhere, albeit somewhat gray. Craig's List is somewhat culpable by posting a section dedicated to "Erotic Serivces". However, if they have no such category, and people login and create their own "murder for hire" or "sex for money" entries, can Craig's List really be held legally responsible for these people committing a crime?

soky602 05/19/2009 3:39 AM
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Pei-chen :
Only if we can buy Erotic Services from eBay, Amazon and Newegg. eBay will sent a transsexual, Amazon a Cambodian and only Newegg can get the order right.


You got something against Cambodians, them being categorized next to transsexuals just doesn't sound right.

Pei-chen 05/19/2009 4:52 AM
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soky602 :
You got something against Cambodians, them being categorized next to transsexuals just doesn't sound right.


Cambodians is stood in for foreigner / gray market goods on Amazon.

clavote 05/19/2009 6:35 AM
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In the SF Bay area Craigslist is the #1 venue for child prostitution. Craigslist knows this, it has been told, but it does not think to shut down a service that is being used to purvey child prostitution. Prostitution in general is not a good thing, only a few high end individuals are "empowered" sex workers. However, like the drug trade, prostitution is rarely as glamorous as it is portrayed, there is a lot of child molestation, drugs and other things which cause runaway children and adults to turn to this method of survival. In the bay area most of the children that we see arrested for prostitution admit their pimps are using Craigslist. (The police regularly set up stings posing as children to arrest johns looking for children.) Craigslist has been a boon for the child prostitution business because it is available in the cities of the "circuit" where pimps take their child prostitutes to be exploited. They will go to one city, work for a period of time until it gets too "hot" and then they move to the next city. That is the unfortunate truth of child prostitution and Craigslist. It is no surprise to us then that Craigslist would be rightly prosecuted sooner or later for providing a service where children are sexually victimized. We just wonder why Craigslist allowed so many kids to be victimized for so long by not shutting down in the face of such evidence.

rooseveltdon 05/19/2009 7:22 AM
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JWL3 :
What do they care? They don't make any money on their listings anyway, right?Their sex section is a festering pool for pimps and johns to hook up. It's the worst of the worst. Why is streetwalking illegal when posting anonymously about your female ho/slave to get johns legal? Face it, no one chooses this lifestyle. Unless your definition of "choice" is being raped/battered/attacked so many times that your will and spirit are crushed and accept what is happening to you without much resistance any longer. Oh yeah, their "choice" to be hookers should be protected.



get real,many of these girls do it for money there is no pimp forcing them,it's been the same for centuries,sure sometimes women are manipulated but more often than not especially in america a lot of these girls simply use it as a means to make money on the side.

v1ze 05/19/2009 8:02 AM
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toobusytocare :
Complaining because you're being prosecuted for doing something illegal when someone else isn't is just immature.


toobusytocare :
The whole world isn't SanFrancisco.



heh

martin0642 05/19/2009 3:08 PM
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Erotic Services encompasses many legal activities, the fact that behind closed doors that magical line in the sand might get crossed and someone might be happy is just evidence that the law needs to get out of my bedroom and let me do what I want with my money.

Child prostitution increases are the result of prostitution being illegal in this country. In places like Germany and Amsterdam where it is regulated and taxed, this is not a problem.

Like drugs, by pushing an issue that is impossible to ban in a meaningful way underground we allow it to grow unchecked like a cancer and fund illegal activities and guns and violence so that pimps and dealers can regulate their illegal market monopolies.

Decriminalization of the worlds oldest profession, sex being the only thing you can give away for free but you cant sell here, and drugs is the only answer there has ever been, and only answer there ever will be. There was no epidemic when drugs were legal in the 19th century and before.

It's fear mongering supported by moralistic cowards that want everyone else to conform. Legalization and decriminalization don't force anyone to do anything they werent already going to do, it just makes sure there are no impurities and that dosage is clearly marked and labeled, and that the taxes generated can be used to fund the rehab clinics that we ALREADY have which are funded by regular tax dollars.

Norway is decriminalized, has better drug statistics than the US, and a 2% unemployment rate. They treat addiction like a medical problem, and just throw thugs in jail. They operate smarter, and have a much higher quality of life as a result.

bill gates is your daddy 05/19/2009 4:12 PM
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So now I have to go back to MySpace to find my hookers?

antilycus 05/19/2009 5:07 PM
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i do think CL is being targetedd unfairly and since I reside in SC, my friends and I have rallied to not re-elect McMaster as he is completely wasting our tax dollars on this useless drivel.

antilycus 05/19/2009 5:10 PM
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what if the services are provided free of charge, does that make all sex and sexual discussion illegal?

Anonymous 05/19/2009 5:12 PM
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....I can't believe the sheer IGNORANCE of some of these posters: JLW3, I bet you are really McMasters in disguise.

1. Craig's list has closed submissions for their erotic services section. In 3 or so days, those posts that were on there (about 8) are going to expire and the section will cease to even exist. Can people not wait 72 hours before going on a holy crusade?! Like me and perhaps you posters (unless you're living off welfare checks and have nothing else to do but troll threads) craig's list employees are entitled to work an 8 hour shift. Because of the sheer number of posts they would have to go through (there is more to the United States than the po-dunk town of greenville) they would have to spend time going through an unknown number of posts across the United States AND refund everyones posts that did not get their full advertising time (it costs money to advertise in the E.S. section). It's understandable that Craig's list would wait a day or two and let things die off naturally than to scurry about in a panic trying to appease McMasters, someone with whom Craig's List owes nothing to.
2. If you want to talk about doing people justice (ie stopping sex slaves, etc) then I hope you're doing or have done something about it. Participate in your community by doing outreach to troubled teens (which I'm currently involved in and which some posters are eluding to is the common prostitute). These kids ran away from an abusive parent/situation which would have probably got them killed if they stayed. They have no where to go and surprise, still need food and shelter. They can't get a job because the jobs are taken/ they are not 'hireable' because they don't have a phone number or even clean clothes. They feel that selling themselves is the only way to survive, and they need help to understand that that is not true, that they can live a good life, and that people care about them. If you're participating in your community and doing something about what you believe in, then fantastic. If you're just talking smack about your morals yet don't feel like helping people that could use your help (which I agree that prostitution is not something that should be considered acceptable) then stfu.

nelson_nel 05/19/2009 5:22 PM
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outacontrolpimp :
I dont think craigslist should be criminalized at all. They are offering a free service. just like with all the torrent crap, go after the law breakers, not the suppliers. I could use myspace to advertise myself as a pimp looking for hoes, criminalize myspace now too?



You can't sue a prostitute for damages. Unless she knowingly gives you AIDS. Hah.

tenor77 05/19/2009 6:27 PM
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Wait, you mean the internet is for more than porn?

Anonymous 05/19/2009 8:29 PM
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I saw, blame the bad image on the media (as usual). They always take something and blow it out of proportion. Take for instance, my friend's dad. Not a web user at all. He tells my friend, "help me sell some tools on eBay, because they say they're gonna shut 'em down!". Craigslist is one of the most helpful websites ever. It doesn't deserve a bad rap at all.

Anonymous 05/19/2009 8:31 PM
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Argh, meant to say Craigslist, not eBay, boo-urns =[

rooket 05/19/2009 10:35 PM
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The internet would be a better place without sites such as Craigslist and 4chan imho.

demonhorde665 05/20/2009 7:09 AM
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call me immoral or waht ever , but i actually see nothgin wrong with prostituion beyound the fact that it being illeagla makes it natrually graitate towards other illeagal activites. i say leagallize prostitution antion wide adn you wil take out many oth the other ileagal elements that are involved with it (such as drugs and the like).

i think it is a woman's bodya dn they shoudl avhe teh right to do with it as they pelae , even it it is selling it in sex , granted i think it is sad when this isa womans's only means of income , I jsut don't liek lwas that stipulate morals to people. in soem cases this is a girl'ls only emansn fro livign , and i'd see it as far better if didnt ahve a huge criminal elemnt tied to it like it does , making it leagal would eliminate such elements from the "buisness"

demonhorde665 05/20/2009 7:13 AM
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JWL3 :
No one is talking about criminalizing Craig's list fools. It's the sex section in Craig's list that is the problem.Ignoring the argument about whether or not prostitution should be legalized, it currently is illegal. Therefore, any postings on magazines, papers, websites, for prostitution should be illegal. If Craig's List had a section titled "Murder for hire" to hook up killers and someone who wants someone else whacked, there'd be an uproar, and rightly so. This is the same legal premise. Craig's list can't claim as its defense that it's just providing a medium for posters.




actually prostitution is NOT illeagal every where , it is quite legal in nevada , craig's list could make the argument that that section is only for the state of nevada (but then again they would have to eliminate any listing from other state locations , to make this an arguable fact )

demonhorde665 05/20/2009 7:17 AM
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Antilycus :
what if the services are provided free of charge, does that make all sex and sexual discussion illegal?




technically NO if i make an add in a pper saying whie male wil give sex freeely , thiere is NOTHING any oen can do about it , but if i say White male , will give sex for 1 dollar , or give sex for food , it suddenly becomes illeagal