New product allows wireless providers to monitor everything you do and charge you for it.
Right before the FCC is to hold a vote regarding "fairness" to some of the nations internet service
providers, two companies, Allot Communications and Openet - suppliers of large wireless companies including AT&T and Verizon, came up with a product that is quite contrary to the FCC's intentions.
Their new product was revealed in a web seminar last Tuesday in which the PowerPoint presentation was leaked to Wired by one of their trusted sources.
So what exactly is the new product? It's a sort of tracking system that makes it possible for your wireless provider to literally monitor everything you do online, web page to web page, and charge you extra for certain websites such as Facebook, Youtube, Hulu, etc.
For example, on the seventh slide of the PowerPoint, one Vodafone user is charged an additional two cents per MB for using Facebook, an additional three euros a month for Skype and an additional monthly 50 cents for YouTube.
The possibilities of Allot and Openet's new product are almost endless and could give wireless providers the power to create very restricting, revenue producing service plans. Hopefully this consumer nightmare may be prevented by the federal government applying some net neutrality regulations preventing internet providers from blocking competitive content on the basis of "fairness".
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Then hello Sprint.
I imagine this would not go over well if they imposed this kind of restriction.
I imagine this would not go over well if they imposed this kind of restriction.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the public. Years ago you would think that people getting charged to buy virtual guns (and other such items) in games wouldn't go over well...and yet it did.
Here's my problem with Verizon (my phone company) ... they want to charge us two ways. First they charge you XXX for 5 GB of monthly data. Now to me this seems relatively fair, but then in order to tether your phone to a laptop they'll charge you another $20. Now in all fairness you do get 2 extra GB of download, but what the crap? If I'm paying for 5 GB of month I should be able to do with it as I please. If I want to browse over to Facebook and just hit the refresh button 18,762,095 times then I should be allowed to do that right up to my bandwidth cap. What I do with my bandwidth is MY business. Not theirs.
Bullshit. This is why i will never use a "smart" phone to surf the internet, you guys have fun getting screwed.
i am still good for about 1 1/2 years, when the time comes the carrier is forced to keep the contract i have....
This is what Net Neutrality will get you
How are they going to check this ? I guess I'll just vpn my phone to my home PC then, or make it a sort of a live stream, like you open just 1 page on the phone's browser, and in this page you can stream other pages, again a proxy/vpn of some sort.
This will just cripple the use of mobile internet.
This is what Net Neutrality will get you
The point is that wireless carriers are NOT covered under the net neutrality rule. If they were, then they couldn't do this.
Here's my problem with Verizon (my phone company) ... they want to charge us two ways. First they charge you XXX for 5 GB of monthly data. Now to me this seems relatively fair, but then in order to tether your phone to a laptop they'll charge you another $20. Now in all fairness you do get 2 extra GB of download, but what the crap? If I'm paying for 5 GB of month I should be able to do with it as I please. If I want to browse over to Facebook and just hit the refresh button 18,762,095 times then I should be allowed to do that right up to my bandwidth cap. What I do with my bandwidth is MY business. Not theirs.
True, its bad enough some companies sell you an "unlimited" plan and then cut you off when you hit their hidden limit, but to already sell someone 5GB, and then tell them it costs extra to access that 5GB, through your phone, with another device is absurd. Imagine buying a gallon of milk, but paying an extra 50-cent surcharge because you planned to drink it out of a glass instead of straight from the carton, and they didn't even provide the glass. No, we wouldn't stand for it, not one bit.
As for this monitoring system, maybe it won't fly under the new FCC rules, but those rules only apply to we Americans. People in other countries are surely screwed, especially in countries like Australia and France where they've already ruled that ISPs are responsible for the content they deliver, and thus have to filter out what the government doesn't like (mostly copyright violations, but who knows what in the future). This software is surely promoted under the guise of conforming to copyright and other law, but in the end will also be used to pry extra money from unsuspecting consumers.
as long as they don't charge extra for "adult" sites I'm set.
Damn cell phone company are crooks: real rip off
Is this 1984 already ?
Oh crap, this is bad news.
Simple solution, that does not require government intervention. Either (1) go to another carrier - ie vote with your feet or (2) find 30 or 40 billion and build your own wireless network.
A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.
Regards
well, glad I just signed an unlimited plan for the next two years. If this goes down this way, I will never get another smartphone. Not interested in getting price gouged.
Do you all remember when Cable TV was not going to have commercials?
The version of Net Neutrality that the FCC passed was the fake one. It only applies to normal internet (Cable, FIOS, DSL, Dial-Up, etc) it does not apply to wireless/mobile internet. Unfortunately the mobile carriers are free to abuse us however they want to (at least until they pass REAL Net Neutrality
well im happy i live in sweden ^^. 5 gig to do whot ewer for 22 dollars and a phone with good cover ;b
God damn it. Sorry Tom's, but this just F-ing sucks. The FCC's ruling allows for this. On my carrier. Right when I want to get a Windows Phone 7 phone as my first smart phone and only real christmas present to myself.
F@ck.
Their monitoring should be easy to screw if they indeed dare to implement it, just use a VPN and they can take all the fancy monitoring equipment and send it as garbage to some chineese village were kids get poisoned from it instead - Greed at its best!
I won't have internet access on my phone because there is no price point that fits my potential use. The cell phone companies have always had a predatory mind set. It hasn't changed.
I'm sorry guys, but how the hell is this the government's fault? Our government promises us Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. They never promised to protect us from evil corporations, and they shouldn't have to. If we're stupid enough to let AT&T ram us over a toilet seat then we deserve it. If we aren't, we'll talk with our money and they'll decide that maybe they shouldn't do things like that.
We are supposed to live in an open market in America, free of all government restrictions. That's far from being true, which you'll scream and yell at when they bail out big business, but then you scream and yell at them for staying out of it.
And someone, anyone, show me where it says mobile net isn't covered under these guidelines? I see a lot of sensationalism and no proof, and several specific wordings in the FCC guidelines that lead me to believe mobile is the same.
Simple solution, that does not require government intervention. Either (1) go to another carrier - ie vote with your feet or (2) find 30 or 40 billion and build your own wireless network.A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take everything you have.Regards
With all the barriers to entry for business going up, patent wars, etc.. its going to be a real pain trying to start a new business at all. At least till the big boys notice you and squash you like a bug.
I'm sorry guys, but how the hell is this the government's fault? Our government promises us Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. They never promised to protect us from evil corporations, and they shouldn't have to. If we're stupid enough to let AT&T ram us over a toilet seat then we deserve it. If we aren't, we'll talk with our money and they'll decide that maybe they shouldn't do things like that.We are supposed to live in an open market in America, free of all government restrictions. That's far from being true, which you'll scream and yell at when they bail out big business, but then you scream and yell at them for staying out of it.And someone, anyone, show me where it says mobile net isn't covered under these guidelines? I see a lot of sensationalism and no proof, and several specific wordings in the FCC guidelines that lead me to believe mobile is the same.
Its the government's fault for kowtowing to corporate lobbyists. Many companies use public money or tax "incentives" to grow or expand. Hell, a lot of research in the US is spurred by government grants. Businesses with a stable market have little or no drive to innovate.
The problem is that business and corporate interests are so ingraned in government that you would have to ask all the senators and represenatives to cut off their own heads so to speak.
Its like the pledge senators were asked to sign saying "I won't take a corporate job after my term" Not ONE signed. Most of them are seeking a "consulting" job from some company after they run their terms. That is the bribery we have today, not money in envelopes.
I'm sorry guys, but how the hell is this the government's fault? Our government promises us Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. They never promised to protect us from evil corporations, and they shouldn't have to. If we're stupid enough to let AT&T ram us over a toilet seat then we deserve it. If we aren't, we'll talk with our money and they'll decide that maybe they shouldn't do things like that.We are supposed to live in an open market in America, free of all government restrictions. That's far from being true, which you'll scream and yell at when they bail out big business, but then you scream and yell at them for staying out of it.And someone, anyone, show me where it says mobile net isn't covered under these guidelines? I see a lot of sensationalism and no proof, and several specific wordings in the FCC guidelines that lead me to believe mobile is the same.
You're so narrow minded.
The thing is that networks evolve. And in the beginning everything is super-expensive (imagine the cost of ENIAC.) All these carriers also look at each other. And to be sure they're not going to have little profit. If someone comes first with internet on a different way. They are going to make the price point incredible high. The other network providers do to and nobody wants to go down. This causes competition to fail. Furthermore the network providers manipulate laws together to get all sorts of legal rights to screw with people. You see the screwing when you use analogies to describe stuff. Unfortunatelly non-technical people don't understand the system. For them it's all stuff they don't get. They'll just flow with anything.
This is why you need to tell all your friends about Net Neutrality and make them care. If no one knows they are getting screwed then they will just accept it without complaint. If you make them realize what's happening then they will get mad and the number of voices will go and companies will start to notice customers fleeing to more new carriers.
Thank God for US Cellular and other small carriers who still actually seem to care about their subscribers
AAAAAND this is why I don't have a data plan...
Wi-Fi provides internet service in hotspots and I pay $0 for that! : )
Cell phone carriers are some of the biggest A55holes towards consumers.
I think for AT&T and Verizon thier slogan should be:
"Bend over I want see how far I can get this in."
Coming in at a very close 2nd place are cable providers. I think the majority of them could use the same slogan.
All of those greedy companies can suck my D**K! F**KERS!
The point is that wireless carriers are NOT covered under the net neutrality rule. If they were, then they couldn't do this.
Actually you are wrong. They are covered. BUT these regulations aren't being enforced just yet, that or the companies already found a loophole. Some people have the job of just discovering loopholes that allow companies to f*ck you harder.