Source: Tom's Guide US | Keywords: chrysler, manuals, dvd, car, printed | Themes: Business, Desktop Computers
Now you MUST have a computer.
If you're anything like me, all documentation that came with my car sits in my glove compartment even if I've already read it cover to cover. Despite the fact that a manual might not really help you if you have car trouble, it just seems to make sense to have the reference available for whenever you might it. But if you're buying a new Chrysler, you soon won't have that luxury any longer.
Chrysler said that its 2010 models will ditch the printed manual and instead will offer the information on a DVD. A 60 to 80-page booklet will be still included, but the bulk of the more detailed information will be on DVD.
The carmaker's reasons for this are numerous. The ditching of the printed book will save about 930 tons of paper, or the equivalent of 20,000 trees, annually, reports Left Lane. Going digital will also have the advantage of being able to include videos and other multimedia to better educate the new car owner.
The replacement of manuals on favor of DVDs is nothing new, especially for computer users who have long had to refer to PDFs rather than flipping pages.
Thankfully, those who insist on still having a printed manual for their cars will be able to special request one from the dealership.
Of course, the obvious missing link here is why carmakers don't integrate the manual as part of the in-car display system, with so many models now coming with LCD screens for navigation and other purposes.
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Cheap cocksuckers.
About time. Imo, it's easier to find info on a PDF than a printed manual.
Well the fact that they say they include a 60-80 page booklet kind of makes up for it. I recently got my first car and I know if I didn't have any reference material on the car in my glove box I might get f---ed over if something happens and I get stranded >_>
Just as long as they leave the critical instructions in print. Like how to change the tire using the specialty jack. You may have read the manual when you first got the car but at 80k miles remembering the notch that the jack sits in is 5 inches behind the tire and not the similarly looking notch 6 inches further is helpful to review.
I also contend that most people do not read the manual until they pop a tire or they need a jump. I've read many manuals to OTHER peoples cars to make sure I was jumping it per the manufacturers instructions. The owners were clueless that such instructions were in the manual.
@Honis: Don't worry. If my experience with Chrysler cars is anything to go by, you'll want to get rid of them right around 80k anyway.
Chrysler? Do they still make cars? Does anyone buy them? Maybe this is just a preview of their move to become a DVD manufacturer instead of a car company. I don't think they could do any worse.
lotsa help a DVD manual will do when your stuck on the side of the road trying to find out how to change a tire.. or what this funky warning light means & why the thing wont start.
Well thats real good. I would assume they would include a battery powered DVD player with it
Well thats real good. I would assume they would include a battery powered DVD player with it
They will but it will plug into the accessory outlet and it won't play unless the car cranks to verify that you are the owner.
You can have my gas guzzling oil burning Mopar when you pry my cold dead hands off of the rusty, rattley, loose, sloppy steering wheel and my butt off the uncomfortable back-aches they call a seat.
It's a love-hate thing with Chrysler. As long as they keep making them, I'll keep buying them. Printed manual or DVD, I kinda like the DVD idea actually.
What? They couldn't fit it on a CD?
Ctl+f any one?
Finding info is very fast in PDF's as said above(ctrl+F), but, What about that info you need when on the road and the car starts acting up? It should not effect most users, but in some cases the paper manual is a FAR better option. I say give us BOTH....
I immediately imagined the nightmare scenarios that other posters have mentioned - like being stuck by the side of the road with a then useless disc. But if there's a booklet included I wager it has information you'd need in bind, probably would be sued if they didn't.
I love how they mask this money grab by claiming it as a "green initiative" to save trees. Please, I wasn't born yesterday. You are not printing manuals because you are saving money by not printing manuals. Don't even pretend for a second that the decision to stop printing manuals was to save trees, that is the biggest crock of BS I've ever heard. You save money and someone marketing wiz came up with the clever idea of masking it as a green initiative.
Not that this would effect me because I'll walk before I buy a Chevy vehicle but I think it's stupid. My manual sits in my glove box from the moment I purchase the car until the moment I sell the car. I can't say how many times the car has done a strange thing I've not seen yet and I pull out the manual, while out on the road somewhere, to find out just what exactly that warning by the speedometer means. Thanks Chevy for no longer affording me that ability. As if I really needed more reasons to stay away from the crap vehicles I can add "No Manuals" to the list that includes "crappy ass cars."
Chrysler actually can make good cars, as long as you properly maintain it like you would any car. When it comes to longevity, I think cars made by Chrysler like Dodge last longer and are more durable then other manufacturers. I have a 2002 Dodge Stratus and its still going incredibly strong. I have managed 40MPG highway on it. Most of the problems associated to Chrysler stem from poor vehicle maintenence. One thing I highly suggest is not getting work done at the dealership. Go to a local shop you trust. Also using quality products in your vehicle helps alot.
I think its good to remember, a good brand gasket costs only a buck more then a generic brand one. When it comes to manufacturing a car, they probably used a generic one considering how many gaskets they got. Now when replacing just 1 gasket, paying the extra dollar will help the longevity of the vehicle.
As far as the manual goes. There isn't anything that will help you in it when you are on the side of the road. A "How-to guide" to simple vehicle maintenence will help more then the manual. The manual is there to look up part sizes and numbers, the fusebox info, and how to operate your cup holder. I would rather have a DVD that has a PDF I can download off the website incase I lose the DVD. I would also like to have a vehicle DVD player. This should come standard if they take out the manual.
A manual tells you what kind of oil to use and when to change it.
A manual tells you what size tires to buy, and how to work the cruise control and the built in GPS. There is nothing in a manual that will help you if you are broke down on the side of the road. Just exactly how many modern vehicles do you see broke down along the side of the road these days anyway? And even if it did tell you, on a 2010 model vehicle, just exactly what are you going to be able to fix?
tayb, well yes obviously no duh it's about saving money. Is that a big problem for you? But it is a fact it is also "green". Do you see how many cars are on the road today? Do you have any idea how many manuals are printed every year? I do. I print manuals for a large vehicle manufacturing company, and it is a significant source of income for my company and puts big bonus numbers into my paycheck, but that does not negate the fact that it would be a significant "green" move to not print them.
I think this illegal in some other countries. That information has vital data in the case of emergencies. I think their choice not to include this manual is really stupid on their behalf. Somebody will probably sue them for this eventually.
I think a lot of you are over-reacting. They are still going to include a 60-80 page booklet. My money says that this booklet contains the 60-80 pages of the manual that could help you. I'd venture to say that the "booklet" will contain the information such as jumping procedures, oil type, fluid capacities, emergency numbers, jack points, etc.
I just want to know if they plan on doing the same thing with actual Service Manual (you know the big 200+ page book that shows your basically how to dismantle the entire car). Cause if not that whole tree hugging thing is crap. Besides for those who don't know how,for example, to change a tire what good would it do them to have the manual DVD in the glove box when they are on the side of the road? Unless of course they had a laptop or have a in-dash display that could read it but I highly doubt it.
Do they include a DVD player with their cars? I don't read car manuals, but, if I would, I guess it would be in the car when I have a problem, not at home on my computer!
You are supposed to read the owners manual when you get the car. Like someone has already mentioned, there will still be a basic manual in print that likely will explain these things to people who simple go about driving around without taking the time to learn where the jack is, where the spare is, etc. Beyond that, I'll say it again, if a modern new car breaks down, YOU CAN'T FIX IT ANYWAY. So manual or no manual, service manual, whatever, it's useless to YOU.
It's a good move since most people don't even look or even know about the manual. It saves some paper (tree) and CDs can be backed up so it won't get lost or destroyed like papers/books. Good move.
You are supposed to read the owners manual when you get the car. Like someone has already mentioned, there will still be a basic manual in print that likely will explain these things to people who simple go about driving around without taking the time to learn where the jack is, where the spare is, etc. Beyond that, I'll say it again, if a modern new car breaks down, YOU CAN'T FIX IT ANYWAY. So manual or no manual, service manual, whatever, it's useless to YOU.
Not that I disagree or anything, but do you really think that the majority of people actually read the owners manual? You probably don't and that is why I think it would be better to just leave it in printed form cause those people will not even read it till they are on the side of the road due to flat tire or what have you. You can fix modern cars it just does require a laptop has a must have in the garage (no big deal at least for me) but the biggest problem I have with the new cars is all the #$%#@, #E$#$ I got to remove just to get to whatever part I need to replace. I agree the older cars, the ones with carbs (wonder how many people even remember those in today's age) or the older fuel injection ones, easier to work on and everything was right there in front of you.
Meh..I'd rather have the printed manual. Anyone who wants the pdf can just google search it. Might as well just give the new car owner a sheet of paper with the url to the pdf. I guess a DVD will last as long as the purchaser owns the vehicle though. Maybe if this saves them any money, they can use the money they save to design better transmissions. It is very common that americans complain that dodge transmissions fail frequently. I've seen enough of them get replaced
I think they make good cars, but you gotta make sure you have a good enough warranty when you buy one, although the milage usually will wipe out the years on the warranty.
lots of people afraid of change on here... Luddites...
Not that this would effect me because I'll walk before I buy a Chevy vehicle but I think it's stupid. My manual sits in my glove box from the moment I purchase the car until the moment I sell the car. I can't say how many times the car has done a strange thing I've not seen yet and I pull out the manual, while out on the road somewhere, to find out just what exactly that warning by the speedometer means. Thanks Chevy for no longer affording me that ability. As if I really needed more reasons to stay away from the crap vehicles I can add "No Manuals" to the list that includes "crappy ass cars."
To quote Celebrity Jeopardy: "aaand you're an idiot." Read the article. Chrysler is the one doing this. But then again, you have submitted little useful information other than the fact that you are biased and your car has shown you warning lights countless times.
"Thankfully, those who insist on still having a printed manual for their cars will be able to special request one from the dealership."
At additional cost, no doubt. Walk into a Chrysler dealership and tell them you need to buy an owner's manual for your new Chrysler, because you lost it. See how much it costs.
For the record, if you own a GM vehicle and you lose your manual or buy one used and there's no manual, you can set up a free GMOC (GM Owner's Center) account and download a new manual. Again, free, and again, they still give you paper manuals with their new cars. This is mostly good for quick reference and you can always print it if yours went missing. They even cover vehicles back to 93.
Why's he bringing up Chevy, this article is about Chrysler.
Finding info is very fast in PDF's as said above(ctrl+F), but, What about that info you need when on the road and the car starts acting up? It should not effect most users, but in some cases the paper manual is a FAR better option. I say give us BOTH....
Hence why they also included a 80 page "condensed" manual that's printed which probably includes info on jumping, changing tire,etc. For the other info (such as when to do services,etc) you'll use the DVD.
@Honis: Don't worry. If my experience with Chrysler cars is anything to go by, you'll want to get rid of them right around 80k anyway.
Hmmm, I have a 91 Cherokee with 108K miles, and my friend has a 95 with about 250,000 and both run and work like new. Not to mention they get taken off road frequently. Chrysler wasn't any worse or better than any other American car manufacturer, or at least Jeep wasn't until 2001ish.