Fox Now Blocking Google TV Too
Google TV is going through its initial growing pains.
Wednesday Google TV Product Manager Rishi Chandra went on stage at the NewTeeVee 2010 conference and said that the company isn't out to replace cable. The announcement seemingly occurred while Fox.com began blocking its content from Google TV, joining other networks that include NBC, CBS and ABC.
According to reports, Google TV users are getting a "not compatible with your device" error when loading up Fox.com in Google TV's Chrome browser. At the time of this writing, Fox did not offer an explanation, however ABC and NBC have previously argued that Google wasn't doing enough to filter out pirate video from Google TV search results.
Additionally, Hulu has also blocked Google TV from its free streaming service, however its speculated that Hulu merely plans to offer the paid version at a later date. Ted Turner's TBS, TNT and CNN have actually embraced Google TV along with HBO, CNBC, Netflix and others.
During the interview, Chandra put a positive spin on the network blocks, referring back to the debut of VHS, DVD and DVR as content owners try to understand what the "new technology" means to them. The same situation now applies to the likes of Fox and NBC as they embrace the new technology we call the World Wide Web. Essentially, how will the streaming technology pay the bills while keeping cable providers happy.
But as previously mentioned, Google doesn't want to replace cable--cord-cutting is not happening any time soon. In fact, the company wants to combine cable programming and Internet TV into one device. "It's not TV or Web," he said in the interview. "It's TV and Web."
The problem with the TV/Web combo concept is that it turns the typical 300-channel selection into millions of channels, thus demanding a search engine so that viewers can find what they want. Herein is where the dispute between networks and Google resides, as the search engine not only pulls in legitimate content, but links to pirated content as well.
But according to Chandra, the search feature isn't necessarily a "search engine," but rather the evolution of the current linear list used in the TV guide (scrolling or digital).
"One of the new capabilities this platform allows is a way to rethink content discovery," he explained. “[The guide] doesn't work when you go from 300 channels to millions of channels. You need a new paradigm for how you actually search and discover and find new content to watch."
He used Google TV's YouTube LeanBack as an example, allowing users to essentially create their own channels by typing in search entries like "Elmo" and "LeBron James."
Ultimately Chandra seemed confident that Google will eventually reach some kind agreement with the big networks. "This is very early days, in terms of where Google TV is and where the platform is at," he said.
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I don't see what all the networks wouldn't embrace google TV. Bunch of greedy turds.
Interesting. They claim it is because Google isn't filtering pirated content...so they pull out leaving the users with nothing but the pirated content to pick from.
Hmm.. so if Google is going to show you the listing for this weeks new episode of Fringe on your local Fox affiliate, last weeks episode on Hulu.com, and a torrent of last weeks episode some guy posted to the web, Fox and Hulu would prefer you download that guys torrent? Why else would they block access to their websites?
Besides, GoogleTV is basically a computer with TV-input/output, for dummies. I have my own computer with 2 TV tuners connected to my HDTV with an HDMI cable. I can a lot more than I could with Google TV. Using the webbrowser, I can search the internet for streams of other programs I want to watch, I can visit Hulu.com, Youtube.com, Netflix.com, etc... Using BeyondTV, I can watch my cable TV (and record it to the harddrive in DivX format). I even have a wireless keyboard and mouse so I don't have to get up from my recliner to do all this.
These companies are responding like so many other companies, with their head so far up their hind ends they can't see what they're doing. Blocking GoogleTV stops nothing. Just like DRM. DRM is a headache to legitimate purchasers, while those who truly want to pirate the content break the DRM (I give it a couple weeks before hacked BluRay players start streaming out of China).
The networks and websites should be working with Google to help promote the service. They probably just want a bigger cut of Google's ad money, neglecting the fact that they could make their own ad money if they weren't blocking their product from the service.
Another sad situation of the misinformed making decisions based on poor information. Like Blockbuster NOT embracing instant streaming....or dvd-mailing....and where are they now?
Good...no..no...this is GREAT! Think about it for second...all those TV networks play nothing but trash and useless drivel anyways...basically an entertainment level a hair above the alternative of staring at the wall until it's time for bed.
So how is this device really different from your pc. should fox block my pc because i can find alternate (re: pirate) content using google on it?
Hellwig has been making plenty of good points lately! If Faux and hulu won`t give me what I want, then the pirate bay will, that`s how consumer economics work Rupert!
Fox, cnn, abc, nbc... all non-cable channels. Why are they biching? Im up for cutting the cord...
They probably don't want Google's advertising (which WILL be present) from diluting their own advertising.
What a waste...all this focus on advertising masticates a massive moist movement...
Hmm.. so if Google is going to show you the listing for this weeks new episode of Fringe on your local Fox affiliate, last weeks episode on Hulu.com, and a torrent of last weeks episode some guy posted to the web, Fox and Hulu would prefer you download that guys torrent? Why else would they block access to their websites?Besides, GoogleTV is basically a computer with TV-input/output, for dummies. I have my own computer with 2 TV tuners connected to my HDTV with an HDMI cable. I can a lot more than I could with Google TV. Using the webbrowser, I can search the internet for streams of other programs I want to watch, I can visit Hulu.com, Youtube.com, Netflix.com, etc... Using BeyondTV, I can watch my cable TV (and record it to the harddrive in DivX format). I even have a wireless keyboard and mouse so I don't have to get up from my recliner to do all this.These companies are responding like so many other companies, with their head so far up their hind ends they can't see what they're doing. Blocking GoogleTV stops nothing. Just like DRM. DRM is a headache to legitimate purchasers, while those who truly want to pirate the content break the DRM (I give it a couple weeks before hacked BluRay players start streaming out of China).The networks and websites should be working with Google to help promote the service. They probably just want a bigger cut of Google's ad money, neglecting the fact that they could make their own ad money if they weren't blocking their product from the service.
Just to throw this out (again), the Logitech Revue doesn't even HAVE a screw-in cable input like a PC TV tuner would. You must have a cable box with HDMI output to get your cable lineup, so they get their money from that.
I still don't believe this is really about pirated content itself, but the fact GoogleTV gives you alternatives to a pricey cable service. Many consumers are still ignorant to all the options that are available on the internet, legal or not. Once you've been told every show you usually watch on cable is on Hulu, Netflix, or Youtube, why would you want to pay for cable? It's not because they allow pirated content, it's because of how EASY GoogleTV makes alternatives. GoogleTV is going to be the nerdy friend on the sofa of computer illiterates, going "hey, you know that's on Hulu for free right? Just click here!"
As stated though, it's going to happen whether they like it or not. Block the legal content and people will still search and get the illegal content.
How are these networks blocking the Google TV? Are they blocking the chrome browser (I'd hope not, for their sake)? Or are they somehow differentiating between PC's using the chrome browser and a google tv doing the same? Just curious.
2 reasons this is happening:
1) Cable companies are mounting HUGE pressure on the networks to block google tv, as they are afraid of the precedent it sets. People will start using cable tv less and less to the point they realize they dont even need it. Just login to their google tv device and watch whatever they want, whenever they want, with relatively little to no commercials.
2) The television networks dont have the infrastructure in place to provide for a sudden surge in online viewership. They only anticipate roughly 10% of their viewers actually visit the website to view video content. Of those 10%, they only provide access to 1%, because they gamble on the chance of 10% ever actually viewing at the same time. With a surge in online viewing, up to 50% of their viewers will begin logging in, requiring them to upgrade their networks to support at least 25-30% of those in the even they are all logging in at the same time. They're just being cheap.
I don't get why they are all complaining.... I get Fox, ABC, NBC, and CBS all for free through my antenna.... So if they make enough from ads to provide me an over the air signal for free AND enough bandwidth on my computer to stream some of their online content. Then WHY THE F won't they allow a little box that just connects to the internet to go to their website..... BIG FAIL.
It's all about money. Nothing else.
So.... we have no idea if Fox actually blocked the content or not. Its just a wild assumption at this point...
This sounds to me like somebody is pulling strings to make Google TV be a total failure. Although I don't know why one would buy google TV instead of a HTPC but whatever.
They are somewhat correct in that google does display torrents and sites like surfthechannel in the first page when you search an episode, sometimes even before hulu, but banning Google TV isn't going to make that go away.
Evolution through cooperation people!!! BAh
I'm sure one can just install an app on Google TV to make the browser lie to the websites and say that it's actually a desktop PC running IE or FF.
I guess the big cables see this as a threat. Have they not seen what happend to the movie/music industry when they tried to fight?
Yeah, I see where this is going :
"Let's do a search for Desperate Housewives. Hmm... lesbians. Okay, let's do a search for Prison Break. Hmm... more lesbians. Okay, this is ridiculous. Let's try Sesame Street. Oh my god those are nasty lesbians!"
but it IS tv *or* web. if i can watch my shows on the web, i don't need cable, and that's how i want it. cable is a rigid dinosaur. i'm not going to schedule my life around the network's schedules just to catch a new episode, and i'm definitely NOT sitting through 5 minute commercial breaks.