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MPAA: Congress Should Encourage 3 Strikes

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the MPAA wants Congress to enforce filters and the three-strikes rule on ISPs.

Originally Hollywood wanted movie pirates to walk the plank, however now that's not good enough. According to Wired, the Motion Picture Association of America wants pirates to be "off with their heads" by asking Congress to encourage a three-strike rule against offending file sharers. Hollywood also wants Congress to make Internet Service Providers filter out pirated movies altogether.

The request stems from a 35-page lobbying letter (PDF) to the Federal Communications Commission submitted on Friday. Hollywood is hoping that the request will be drafted into the FCC's recommendations to Congress for a national broadband plan. If the attempt succeeds, file sharers could face permanent disconnection from the Internet, or rather, a beheaded broadband access.

 "These efforts, which include graduated response policies as well as technologies such as watermarking and filtering, have proven to be successful in various contexts,” the MPAA states in the letter. “MPAA strongly urges the commission to recommend that Congress encourage multiple efforts to deter unlawful activity and not interpose any legal or regulatory obstacles that would per se bar the use of any otherwise lawful methodology."

Public Knowledge, a digital rights group, opposes the proposed filters, saying that filtering is a form of privacy breach. "You don’t break into peoples' houses to see if people have stolen books,’ said spokesman Art Brodsky. "This is an assumption of guilt that they have to look through everybody’s bits." Brodsky added that the MPAA's proposal isn't consumer friendly.

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Montezuma 11/06/2009 5:18 PM
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No government, within the United States, has the right to filter anything. While I do not support theft in any form, no one has the right to decide what I can and cannot see.

The MPAA can go fuck itself.

Montezuma 11/06/2009 5:21 PM
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I also wanted to add that these measures will lead people to steal a real service: Internet access. If people get cut off, those people will go to individuals that sell hacked broadband devices, or it will push people into leeching off of a neighbor's internet connection. Wireless security is shit and any kid could hack into a neighbor's wireless router.

Hell, chances are some digital thieves are already stealing internet service and these measures will only serve to hurt decent people.

darkknight22 11/06/2009 5:33 PM
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Jesus Christ, I'm sorry but is NOBODY going to do something about these lobbyists? This is getting out of control.

The MPAA bitches and moans about lost revenue here and there but I'm sure that is nothing compared to the bills they must be racking up with these lobbying groups and lawyers.

Nobody will filter my internet, mark my words.....

arghhhhhhh

justindrocco 11/06/2009 5:35 PM
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If your business model fails you change it, you don't blame the symptoms. If the MPAA wants shot itself, then so be it.

Platypus 11/06/2009 5:37 PM
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The argument that it's a privacy breach is a little twisted. They're not coming into your home to look for a book, they're just watching people walk by with books and only become curious if they see "STOLEN" written on one of them. The ISPs could simply monitor all traffic and not care about who is doing what until something illegal pops up.

Isn't that how the police do business now (excluding the corrupt ones, of course)? They sit on the side of the road and watch you drive by, but they won't get in your sh*t unless you're speeding or driving dangerously.

I don't think this would be a good thing, though. It seems like it would cause a lot more grief and incorrect accusations just to prevent the MPAA from adapting to the current technologies and change their distribution model. Get over it, guys. People want their media streamed to them. We don't want to overpay to sit in a theater with a bunch of loud mouths ruining the movie, and we certainly don't want to wait another 6 months after that to see it on Pay-Per-View, and then another few months after that to finally OWN it on DVD. Give us a one-time fee when the movie comes out and you'll find a lot more people hopping on board.

I'd gladly take an oversized paycheck to help implement this. =)

ravewulf 11/06/2009 5:52 PM
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NET NEUTRALITY!

If we thought the MPAA had gone over the deep end before, WTF is this? There are so many flaws with this idea and privacy rights thrown out the window. How are these filters even supposed to be implemented? And cut off from broadband completely? Talk about over doing it!

MrHorspwer 11/06/2009 5:53 PM
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I think Platypus has the right idea.

Pawn shops aren't allowed to resell stolen items. It is their responsibility to make sure it is legit and if it's not, well, that becomes their problem. Your ISP is the pawn shop. If they're letting the distribution of stolen good occur, well, that becomes their problem to correct.

I know this may be hard for some of you youngsters, but look back a few years to analog recordings. It was incredibly easy to copy a cassette or VHS tape and give it to a couple friends. Everybody knew this, even the recording industries, and nobody really cared enough to do something about it. Why? There was no distribution network. You gave a copy to a couple friends and that was the extent of it. Now that sharing has occured on such a massive scale, the industry wants something done about it. That's not a failed business model, that's theives ruining what used to be a good thing.

If massive sharing hadn't occured, I'll bet that personal use copies of digital material wouldn't be a big deal. They weren't when it was analong...

gekko668 11/06/2009 5:59 PM
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STFU MPAA. Nobody gives a damn of what you want.

marsax73 11/06/2009 6:16 PM
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You guys could boycott movies. If people would stop going to sorry ass movies like Transformers or GI Joe, then it will really hurt the MPAA. For now, they are making millions for putting out garbage and people keep showing up. Same thing like the music industry. Support independent films and music.

Anonymous 11/06/2009 6:16 PM
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How about this? Hollywood is a greedy f***ing machine, sorry if a movie makes $60million but costs $200million, that doesn't mean its because of thieves, it means the movie is s***. So don't tell me they can't make money off their product because the good ones still make boat loads, problem is they want every dime plus yours and mine too. So go f*** yourselves MPAA.

Hovaucf 11/06/2009 7:08 PM
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I would like to know what people are downloading aka "stealing", most movies out today are terrible.

Hovaucf 11/06/2009 7:08 PM
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I would like to know what people are downloading aka "stealing", most movies out today are terrible.

Hovaucf 11/06/2009 7:09 PM
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apologies, for some reason it submitted a double post.

ominous prime 11/06/2009 7:12 PM
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You cannot filter the internet, to do so is censorship! Piracy is not the MPAA's primary threat, it is their business model and shady business practices that have gotten them into trouble.

Only a fool in congress would back something by the MPAA. After all their bad publicity of suing single mothers for millions, a great way to lose votes in upcoming elections for Senators or Representatives.

Besides, you can't filter me. You can't filter anyone, VPN services will become mainstream.

factoryfast 11/06/2009 7:13 PM
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ravewulf:

The lobbying power of the MPAA (and any other group with money & power) is exactly why net neutrality regulation should be avoided at all costs. People must understand that net neutrality regulation gives the FCC the power to create and enforce rules that can benefit special interests like the MPAA. If a particular ISP started enforcing three strikes people could drop them and move on. If the government mandates every ISP to enforce three strikes, what then? Don't be fooled into thinking that net neutrality regulation will only have benign consequences. When government gets more power, special interests always benefit while individual freedom suffers.

I am not advocating copyright infringement. People should not steal movies in any form. However, with net neutrality regulation in place and influenced by the MPAA, every internet user will be treated as a suspected criminal thanks to a minority of thieves.

Perhaps groups like the MPAA and RIAA will lobby congress to ban the bittorrent protocol altogether in order to "filter piracy." After all, they'll say, bittorrent is mostly used for illegal and terrorist activities. As long as every ISP bans bittorrent, the internet will be considered "neutral"...

Why would we want to expand the power of government when groups like the MPAA are lobbying the FCC for beheaded broadband access? If the FCC doesn't have the power to regulate your internet access in the first place, the MPAA won't have the opportunity to use such power for its own advantage.

chrisv815 11/06/2009 7:18 PM
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I'm tired of these people. I've never downloaded a movie, but if this law passes I will never go see another movie in the theaters I know where to buy the bootleg DVD's and thats where I'm getting all of them from now on.
FU MPAA! This is America I'm tired of you jack boot anti american ways.

Jarvis 11/06/2009 7:40 PM
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Seeing this kind of thing makes me want to go crazy and download everything in sight. Can't we just shoot all of the lobbyists?

rockyjohn 11/06/2009 7:47 PM
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It's very sad to see how many people apparently support the theft of private property and attack those only trying to protect their property rights. It's sad to see how their extreme greed - their desire to get something without paying for it - can so debase their morals. Sad.

dainsane1 11/06/2009 8:00 PM
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if the mpaa does force the isp's to filter all traffic; are they going to pay for the filtering equipment/software/personnel?

to implement such filtering would cost many k's and would likly be taken out of the pocket of the end user.

it's one thing to watch a particular ip or port it's a whole new bag to watch everything.

and then users encrypt all traffic; once again extra cost for all.
the bureaucrats will always be playing catchup with those who do not want to pay for content.

adjust your business model so that the every day Joe will not want to pirate content. look at apple they have done quite will with itunes and selling content; so well in fact that the riaa has given up on drm all together.

I'm so tired of it being more hassle to legally buy content rather then to acquire it by other means

hellwig 11/06/2009 8:43 PM
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Uh, has the MPAA never heard of encryption? Back in college when I still downloaded things, I remember most of them were in secure zip or rar files. This makes it nearly impossible for ISPs to filter traffic.

I'm not trying to support illegal downloading, but I don't think the MPAA should be trying to enforce BS policies on neutral third parties just because they found it ineffective to go directly after the criminals.

We can't stop rape simply by arresting and trying every rapist in a court of law, so we're going to ask congress to force women to stay inside their homes 24/7 to reduce the ability for rapists to commit their crime.

Anonymous 11/06/2009 8:54 PM
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"I know this may be hard for some of you youngsters, but look back a few years to analog recordings. It was incredibly easy to copy a cassette or VHS tape and give it to a couple friends. Everybody knew this, even the recording industries, and nobody really cared enough to do something about it."

Incorrect a tax was applied to all blank tape to cover copying. Go look it up. They cared, they lobbied to get their cut, they got it.

Every blank tape you bought,you payed a 'pirating tax' on regardless if you recorded original content(thus did not pirate) or not.

gorehound 11/06/2009 10:50 PM
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I have been reading news like this story for a while now and am getting more and more angry.We are getting the shaft by these hjuge media comapanies so I am now on a total boycott of all MPAA,RIAA and their stooge studios/labels/artists.none will ever see a dollar out of me again.That is what you get for treating me like I am guilty of something.That is what you get for trying to take away my rights and the rights of others.That is what you get for suing people for millions of dollars for some stupid mainstream music.
Here is my thing and maybe we can get a lot more to do it.

1.no more buying of any new movies from any mpaa and stooges.NOTE: you can find things used and t hat way at least they won't get your money
2.support indie film and studios
3.no music ever form riaa and their stogges
4.buy local artists and indie stuff
5.soon we may need to put up an online petition.
Moves like these is going to piss off millions of folks not just a few wackos.Everyone who is intelligent should be feeling the heat as big brother becomes more and more of a reality.A real stupid idea is in the works by these greedbags and it will not be good.
Hurt Hollywood and Corporate Music..............STOP BUYING !!!!

Also I am not a downloader.I work in a videostore as my friends right hand man for 16 years now.I have no need to ever download a film.And I never listen to mainstream music.I play in Maine's oldest punk rock band and listen to my music collection which I have been buying music since the 1960's.I have no need to download music either.I am a concerned citizen of the USA.

mac_angel 11/06/2009 11:03 PM
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kinda funny. They are complaining about how much money they are loosing to pirating. I wonder how much they are loosing to stupid lawyers and stupid lawsuits.

ravewulf 11/07/2009 12:25 PM
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@factoryfast

By definition net neutrality means that all traffic is treated neutrally. The whole purpose of it is so no one traffic can be regulated, filtered or treated differently in any way than other types of traffic. It is not a government conspiracy to enforce filtering across the board (some may try to treat it that way, but that is not its purpose and not what it is by definition).

When corporations go unregulated they can establish virtual area based monopolies (like what we have now in many areas) and force filtering upon their customers who have no other ISP choices. All the ISPs could also decide together that they want to filter things AND the MPAA and others can sue and bribe them into filtering anyway.

Establishing government enforced regulation that no type of traffic can be treated differently than any other type of traffic would solve that problem. That is what net neutrality is for.

Anonymous 11/07/2009 1:23 AM
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What was the ruling before not too long ago? A supreme court justice or someone told the RIAA to change its business practice to meet today's demand...Apple and [I can't remember the other company] are very successful at selling music. Who wants to go to the store to buy a CD when you can download music (legit or not) off the internet and burn to your own CD?

Though the fact that the RIAA failed at suing so many individuals that were not pirates (HELL, THEY EVEN SUED A DEAD PERSON! HAHAHA)...I'm curious as to what is going to happen that will break this pirating right up!?!? Something, someday...time will tell...

I had so many laughs reading through these posts! I do agree though, many movies today are original and lame! They come out with crap that the critics love! The horror films are not what they used to be! Endings for alot of movies always end with ability for a sequal! Who the hell wants to watch a movie that ends shitty? I personally don't want to guess whether a movie will become 5 sequals because the financial return was great for the movie industry! They make movies from great books that make the books look bad! They make movies from comics that DO NOT depict the comic at all! (for the most part)...movies again are just not what they used to be! The Internet will become the ultimate mainstream for sending and receiving content...I would pay 7 dollars to watch a newly release movie from home streamed from the internet than go to the movies on their own convenient time to watch it. (

Anonymous 11/07/2009 1:30 AM
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It's not that recent movies are crap... No sir... It's those damn pirates downloading "cammed" movies...

In light of the recent tragedy in our country, had it happened at a lobbying firm instead of Ft. Hood, would anybody have cared?

mayne92 11/07/2009 1:47 AM
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What the hell? No notification that your post would be cut short? Above it cut me off as I said "...than go to the movies on their own convenient time to watch it. (

mayne92 11/07/2009 1:48 AM
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What the hell? No notification that your post would be cut short? Above it cut me off as I said "...than go to the movies on their own convenient time to watch it.

mayne92 11/07/2009 1:49 AM
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WTF it cuts my posts off!!!!!!!!!!!!!Now it looks like I'm triple posting!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHH

rockyjohn 11/07/2009 5:56 AM
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Gee, all this anger at the companies who are the victims and not a word about the thieves forcing the companies to try to protect their rights.

anamaniac 11/07/2009 8:49 AM
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3 strikes doesn't seem too bad. However, after the 3rd strike, how about a short net ban? Permanent removal is going too far in todays culture (can be considered worse than removing a drivers license, even though they tend to let drunks back on the road).

Plus, I use encrypted data when torrenting... if they know what I'm moving, then I have serious issues with them. They only know I move a lot of info, not what it is... I would rather keep it that way.