Major Porn Studio: We Can't Wait to Ditch Flash
Is the porn industry saying goodbye to Flash, too?
Always a major player in format wars of the past, it's a wonder no one thought to ask the porn industry to weigh in on the Flash versus HMTL5 debate before now. This past weekend, Conceivably Tech nabbed an interview with Ali Joone, the founder of Digital Playground, one of the biggest adult film studios in the U.S. Way back when the question we were all asking was, "HD DVD or Blu-ray?" Joone's answer was set in stone; his studio backed Blu-ray and famously had problems getting companies to produce pornographic content on the new format.
Now, we could be on the cusp of a new format war. With a very public row between Apple and Adobe, and Flash 10.1 coming to Android, it all smells just a little bit familiar. We might not be there yet, but as of late, there's been a definite 'this world ain't big enough for the both of them' vibe about the HTML5/Flash discussions.
When asked if Flash will survive, Joone's response was a resounding no: "HTML 5 is the future," he told Conceivably Tech, adding later that for mobile devices, Flash is just a drain on battery.
"Mobile browsers run HTML 5 very well. Flash brings everything to a crawl and has an impact on battery life. With HTML 5, there is no reason to show our content in Flash."
CT reports that Joone has been singing the praises of HTML5 for over a year, and with good reason: with the iPhone, Digital Playground got around Safari's lack of Flash support and Apple's 'no porn' rule by offering HTML5 streams. These streams, along with HTML5 compatibility in mobile browsers, allow for Joone's opinion that Android's Flash 10.1 support is irrelevant.
So DP has already written off Flash when it comes to mobile devices, but what about desktop users? Apparently the company will be dropping support for that ASAP, too.
"We are waiting for browsers to catch up. As soon as they are ready, we will move everything to HTML 5," Joone revealed to CT.
With HTML5 flourishing, it's easy to see why some people might think Flash is on the way out. However, for now, a large part of the Web still relies on the format. Do you think Flash is on life support or do you think the Internet can handle two formats?
If you're interested in reading more on Joone's HTML5-related thoughts, along with what he thinks of 3D, digital distribution and porn on smartphones, head over the Conceivably Tech for the full interview.
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yeah, but when I have a choice between a device that gives me 2 options and one that gives me just one option, guess which one I'm going to pick?
welp, just look at bluray. porn industry makes a decision you better be ready for it.
sorry adobe.
I hate flash BUT it's not irrelevant for andriod to have it.
I can use any website I want now, basically. Well, I exaggerate, but a lot more. Flash sucks, but it's useful to have it while we wait for HTML5.
The vast majority of Flash usage is ads and YouTube. With the latter switching to HTML5 I, personally, see no reason for me to install Flash.
That said I don't think Flash is on the way out per see, there's a lot of web games and such reliant on the platform.
As an animation/movie container/viewer however I do believe Flash is doomed.
I sure hope Flash loses, Flash is so bulky, laggy, a memory hog and my browsers crash so many times using Flash. WEbsites using Flash are also sooo annoying, so are website heavily using javascript.
I'm confused what Flash has to do with streaming. Remember when you would click a video link on a webpage, and either QuickTime, Windows Media Player, and RealPlayer would start up and start streaming the video? We got so entrenched in "everything must fit in the browser window", that we all sat back while Flash slowly crept its way into our nether regions. There's no reason that Flash and Streaming Content should have anything to do with each other. You know why you can watch YouTube videos on your phone? It has nothing to do with Flash, it has everything to do with the streaming video player installed on your phone. Click a link to a video on a website, and your phone opens up the video player (just like your PC used to). If Hulu wasn't so concerned with people skipping commercials, they could already be streaming to people's phones over the existing services.
Flash IS useful for interactive sites and games. It has no purpose in streaming video, other than allowing us to be lazy, and not having to switch to a separate application to view videos. Goes to show you the value of content when you're not willing to have to Alt-TAB between applications just to watch that YouTube video of a giggling baby.
I guess, as a society, we're playing right into Google's hands by demanding everything run in our web browser. I didn't understand how Google thinks the whole world can run off the web, but I guess in reality they're just giving us what we're all so desperately craving. A world in which we don't have to go through the hassle of scrolling down to our Task Bar and clicking some other icon to switch to a different application. It's much better to scroll up to our bookmarks and click a link to another website.
While HTML5 is superior to flash in almost every way, it's going to take a long time for it to catch on and for Flash to be ditched entirely. People need to support both, and slowly migrate towards HTML5.
Flash is dieing for videos. Good for it.
Flash became god on sites like Newgrounds.com for a reason. It's a great platform to make games with. From what I can tell, it's difficult to do something as simple as pacman in HTML5.
It's not dead yet.
Goodbye Flash, you lost your flashy years ago..............
the porn industry seems to be the one who sets the standards, so if they were to actually go ahead and switch to html 5, flash's days are numbered.
uh... to hellwig - embedded wmp, rm, and especially qt vids also ruined the browsing experience in the past (think 1990s). iirc, rm was the least awful of the three. if any of the other formats would've worked out their problems with overhead, things might be different today, and the majors (besides apple) might not have started supporting an open standard like html5 anyway. and, trust me, you want open standards.
flash videos are on the decline but flash games and ads will probably stay strong
good ridance!
flushing flash soon.
Flash or HTML 5? I'll do both. It's like two chicks at the same time.
Yup. Just how?
Quote:"sure hope Flash loses, Flash is so bulky, laggy, a memory hog and my browsers crash so many times using Flash. WEbsites using Flash are also sooo annoying, so are website heavily using javascript."I never understood why so many people have so much trouble with their computers with simple programs like flash & other software. I use flash & a whole lot of other software & never have these problems. My 3 main machines run 24/7 on Windows 7 for weeks at a time with out crashes or problems. Infact 2 of those machines run an online game that is downsized when I am not in the game & I still use the PC's to surf the net & yes play flash videos etc etc without crashes. Maybe your PC is not setup right or you need to clean the dust out of your case as the system is probably running on the brink of crashing every moment it is turned on. A properly maintained PC should be able to run almost everything without crashing at every mouse click. Not posting this to be a a$$ just stating fact nothing else.-That is all-
No idea why you got downranked. I completely agree and I think its more about ppl jumping on the iBandwagon as always... I dont have a Mac so maybe flash for Macs suck, honestly I couldn't care less. It works fine on my win7 machines.
As a developer with experience with both AJAX and Flex, I can tell you that while Flash does have noticeable flaws it is much more powerful than HTML5.
Quote:"sure hope Flash loses, Flash is so bulky, laggy, a memory hog and my browsers crash so many times using Flash. WEbsites using Flash are also sooo annoying, so are website heavily using javascript."I never understood why so many people have so much trouble with their computers with simple programs like flash & other software. I use flash & a whole lot of other software & never have these problems. My 3 main machines run 24/7 on Windows 7 for weeks at a time with out crashes or problems. Infact 2 of those machines run an online game that is downsized when I am not in the game & I still use the PC's to surf the net & yes play flash videos etc etc without crashes. Maybe your PC is not setup right or you need to clean the dust out of your case as the system is probably running on the brink of crashing every moment it is turned on. A properly maintained PC should be able to run almost everything without crashing at every mouse click. Not posting this to be a a$$ just stating fact nothing else.-That is all-
Your statement is riding in such an extreme minority I'm calling BS. I'm running a Core 2 machine on windows 7 with 4 gigs of ram, when flash content runs my machine feels it. And has everyone forgotten flash player 9's constant freezing and crashing of browsers? Did you miss a year of internet action or something? Flash has been consistently requiring more and more resources to process and how much improvement in the flash experience is anyone even really getting?
Now it is easy to block adds with flashblock. Will it be just as easy to block them when in HTML5?
For those saying Flash is no big deal... watch your temps and CPU loads while loading up 10 tabs of porn. Flash is heavy. It's hungry. Low resolution video shouldn't take that much to process. Flash eats more CPU power than full x264 that's not GPU accelerated. That's ridiculous. Bring on HTML5.
once stronbad switches to html5, so will I.
For those saying Flash is no big deal... watch your temps and CPU loads while loading up 10 tabs of porn. Flash is heavy. It's hungry. Low resolution video shouldn't take that much to process. Flash eats more CPU power than full x264 that's not GPU accelerated. That's ridiculous. Bring on HTML5.
Flash is not about video...Thats just what ppl started using it for because it was better than having the user open up another program on their computer. Those who think Flash is designed for video playback are gravely mistaken.
@Rock1234
Sure, my PC is not high end, intel e7300, 2GB RAM, 9800GTX+ and P5QL motherboard but it is not full of dust and does not overheat. However, is it normal for flash video to take up to 40-60% of my CPU usage? I've used XP as well as Win7 and I've formatted my computer several times but Flash has always used 40-60% of my CPU usage. Recently though, with the introduction of Hardware acceleration in flash 10.1 it's dropped to 30-40%, but that to me is still an inadequate amount when I can play back any HD video with less than 10% CPU usage with MPC-HC.
Your statement is riding in such an extreme minority I'm calling BS. I'm running a Core 2 machine on windows 7 with 4 gigs of ram, when flash content runs my machine feels it. And has everyone forgotten flash player 9's constant freezing and crashing of browsers? Did you miss a year of internet action or something? Flash has been consistently requiring more and more resources to process and how much improvement in the flash experience is anyone even really getting?
Flash works just fine on my computer. Never have crashes.
if there wasn't flash, we would all have to click links and load up the whole youtube page instead of just seeing an embedded video here. or then tomshardware would have to ask permission on each video to avoid getting sued for just ripping videos. also their website bandwidth usage would increase atleast 10x.
if you produce your own videos, you do win from this, but most of us don't.
HTML5 has the potential to replace Flash, but there are issues that need to be resolved first.
A major issue is HTML5/Java games and animations need to be easy to author and have the complexity that Flash games and animations.
All existing Flash content (ads, videos, etc) need to transition over.
HTML5 has to support EVERYTHING that Flash can do.
Even after that there is going to be a lot of old content that simply WON'T get converted over because the owner doesn't think it worth their time to re-do old stuff (primarily old Flash games/animations)
if there wasn't flash, we would all have to click links and load up the whole youtube page instead of just seeing an embedded video here. or then tomshardware would have to ask permission on each video to avoid getting sued for just ripping videos. also their website bandwidth usage would increase atleast 10x.if you produce your own videos, you do win from this, but most of us don't.
You do realize you can embed videos with HTML5, right? You don't need to host the video data to have it on your site. All you do is put in the source URL in the src = tag. Same with pictures, audio, text, and HTML pages themselves and you don't need to host any of that on your own site. Just put in the source URL.
lol, jokes, can't, hold, back...
do we really want people jerking off on the bus???
I only need 2 mins of battery life for porn!
...put in the source URL in the src = tag. Same with pictures, audio, text, and HTML pages themselves and you don't need to host any of that on your own site. Just put in the source URL.
I had put "video tag" with "video" surrounded by the triangle bracket things, but it got removed as if it was real HTML code. Ah well..
Another cool thing about having the source URL like that is it makes the videos a lot easier to download. No more Flash downloader plugins! Just think if we could save a video just as easily as we can save pictures now. "Right-click > Save Video As..."
Hmm, that does become more of an issue when trying to download an HTML5 animation though. It wouldn't be as simple as saving an .swf file. You would have to get all the resources and save the HTML code that puts it all together.... Someone should work on a plugin that does that and saves it as a single file for offline use.
now introducing Flesh: the Flash replacement designed specifically for the porn industry
I really don't care what the porn industry wants. I just know that i get sick of clicking on a video link and told i need to download something first. I think we should be using both html 5 and flash. I should not have to chose between the two.
There you go Steve...even the porn studios agree with you...hahaha