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US Says China is World's Biggest Cyber-Theft Perpetrator

- By - Source : Business Week

Alas, this isn't referring to the Torrent gap.

The bickering between the United States and the People's Republic of China escalated as U.S. Intelligence officials outright called China the world's largest perpetrator of economic espionage. The accusation, issued in an intelligence report published today, comes shortly after public complaints about the affect of China's so-called 'Great Firewall' on American business interests, and reveal that Chinese hackers went after American satellites in 2007 and 2008. The timing of these statements is almost certainly not coincidental, and may represent a more aggressive U.S. tone that is probably unrelated to the start of a contentious U.S. presidential in the midst of a crippling economic downturn.

According to the report, hackers employed by the governments of China and Russia, as well as working for corporate entities in those nations, have waged a particularly successful campaign of economic espionage and technology theft in recent years, supposedly endangering $398 billion in American research. Targeted industries include Pharmaceuticals, military equipment and advanced materials. Though both Russia and China were cited as relying heavily on such tactics to build their own industries, China was singled out for particular scorn. (Russia's efforts are reported to be a 'distant second' to China's). Interestingly, the accusations are somewhat contradicting of a recent Australian study that claims China's cuber-warfare capabilities, though hugely staffed, are rudimentary at best.

The report did cite cloud computing and the storage of data in single or connected places as adding to the risk by making the job of hackers bent on accessing such information easier, and specifically cites American companies who don't take the issue seriously. Naturally, US government anger over the problem is understandable, not only due to the very real economic threat posed by application of stolen data, but because the United States has never engaged in anything similar, ever. 

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nebun 11/04/2011 1:17 PM
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Goldengoose 11/04/2011 1:24 PM
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^ Lol, someone's having a good day at work.

edvinasm 11/04/2011 1:29 PM
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Study: Chinese Cyber-Threat is 'Rudimentary'
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/chines [...] 13067.html

and now US Says China is World's Biggest Cyber-Theft Perpetrator ???

So who's right? :)

marshcorps 11/04/2011 1:31 PM
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"China's cuber-warfare capabilities" ... OMG not Cubers ... we are all going to die!

zilnicra 11/04/2011 1:45 PM
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edvinasm :
Study: Chinese Cyber-Threat is 'Rudimentary'http://www.tomsguide.com/us/chines [...] 13067.htmland now US Says China is World's Biggest Cyber-Theft Perpetrator ???So who's right?



you can be rudimentary and still be the biggest perp... its called a lot of effort and manpower.

but this is just showing how little US corporations care about cyber security and data security. One doesn't need to hack into the US government to get tasty secrets, just hack into the corporations building the stuff for the government, while they laugh their way to the bank and leave the back door open for data thieves to just walk in.

sceen311 11/04/2011 1:46 PM
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Pretty sure we have some well qualified hackers here in the states, put their asses to work.

thesnappyfingers 11/04/2011 2:33 PM
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Quote :Pretty sure we have some well qualified hackers here in the states, put their asses to work.


I'm sure we already do, were just better at hiding it (probably because we have been doing it longer).

Device Unknown 11/04/2011 2:44 PM
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"but because the United States has never engaged in anything similar, ever. "

Not sure I like the sarcasm there. Besides, the United States has always lived by the "Do as I say not as I do" policy. AND we have better governmental security so things like Wikileaks has nothing to report about on the US.

lostmyclan 11/04/2011 4:24 PM
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well everyone want to be American... =) We don´t live in AMERIKA AMERIKA!!!

greatsaltedone 11/04/2011 4:29 PM
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sceen311 :
Pretty sure we have some well qualified hackers here in the states, put their asses to work.


thesnappyfingers :
I'm sure we already do, were just better at hiding it (probably because we have been doing it longer).


We certainly do have better trained and more capable hackers in the US, but in terms of economic espionage there is nothing we would want from China. Once they are able to overtake us in a key industry or government-funded research we can even things up pretty quickly, but as of now it can't be anything but purely defensive which we all know is a losing game when it comes to well funded hackers.

chick0n 11/04/2011 4:39 PM
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blah blah blah, yea yea yea our government is doing what it's best at, AGAIN : demonized rival countries.

oh yea. make them look evil! oh yea !

michaelahess 11/04/2011 4:43 PM
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Device Unknown, no offense, but wtf? If you truly believe any of that drivel, you must work for the government. Wikileaks has released more than it's fair share of US documents. And done more than enough covert infiltration, cyber or otherwise.

LuckyDucky7 11/04/2011 4:49 PM
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Yeah, because it's totally not like the US is hacking China. It's not like their security systems are more advanced than the US', and if China had something the US wanted they'd just hack in and take it.

Come on now.

stevo777 11/04/2011 4:51 PM
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Well, then don't bitch China if we have trouble repaying our debts to you because your pirates cut into our profits;-)

Anonymous 11/04/2011 6:17 PM
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I don't understand the tone of this article. Are they trying to be sarcastic when they say "but because the United States has never engaged in anything similar, ever. "

and this

"probably unrelated to the start of a contentious U.S. presidential in the midst of a crippling economic downturn. "


You got something to say, say it. I hate asshole writers editorializing in what should be factual stories.

halcyon 11/04/2011 6:51 PM
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US Says China is World's Biggest Cyber-Theft Perpetrator. The US says that? Really? Noooooooo.

halcyon 11/04/2011 6:54 PM
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...and in other news the Earth has one moon and the sky is blue.

brothermist 11/04/2011 7:18 PM
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Device Unknown :
... AND we have better governmental security so things like Wikileaks has nothing to report about on the US.



I LOL'd so hard at this! Perfect example of the blinded, uninformed, sheep that make up the majority of the US population. Stop taking the bought and paid for main stream media's propaganda as gospel. Do a little research. If China was the ruthless destroy America machine all they would have to do is call in our debt, or refuse to loan us any more $. The reality is much, much, more complicated than that. Is there hacking, and many other things going on, yes. From BOTH sides. And there always has been. Why is it now that this is being brought up? Because we are putting ourselves in a very dangerous spot with China and her allies, and the US needs some spin to make the general population ok with it. If everything in the peoples eyes was 'hunky-dory' and we put ourselves into a position of aggression against China, the people would be outraged. Throw a little spin on it, make China the evil anti-America machine, and the people will back the US government's attempts to take over the world. An uninformed, media controlled, people are exactly what we are. You dont have to agree, you dont have to like it, that dont change the fact that it is true. Poke around on the internet for news coverage from other countries, see how drastically different it is than the news that is given to you here in the US. Look at how much is left out, altered, taken out of context, or just plain fabricated. Your television is not the word of god. Your news is not objective or without bias. There is reason that most of the world hates the USA...The saddest part of that reality is that the people of the US are oblivious to what their government truly is. We are too full of propaganda and lies to see. We stand around with blind patriotism waving our flags, while our government oppresses the rest of the world. Eventually the oppressed will realize they outnumber the oppressors 1000:1. God help the USA when that happens. Feel free to flame and thumbs down. It dont change the fact that its true.

halcyon 11/04/2011 7:36 PM
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brothermist :
I LOL'd so hard at this! Perfect example of the blinded, uninformed, sheep that make up the majority of the US population. Stop taking the bought and paid for main stream media's propaganda as gospel. Do a little research. If China was the ruthless destroy America machine all they would have to do is call in our debt, or refuse to loan us any more $. The reality is much, much, more complicated than that. Is there hacking, and many other things going on, yes. From BOTH sides. And there always has been. Why is it now that this is being brought up? Because we are putting ourselves in a very dangerous spot with China and her allies, and the US needs some spin to make the general population ok with it. If everything in the peoples eyes was 'hunky-dory' and we put ourselves into a position of aggression against China, the people would be outraged. Throw a little spin on it, make China the evil anti-America machine, and the people will back the US government's attempts to take over the world. An uninformed, media controlled, people are exactly what we are. You dont have to agree, you dont have to like it, that dont change the fact that it is true. Poke around on the internet for news coverage from other countries, see how drastically different it is than the news that is given to you here in the US. Look at how much is left out, altered, taken out of context, or just plain fabricated. Your television is not the word of god. Your news is not objective or without bias. There is reason that most of the world hates the USA...The saddest part of that reality is that the people of the US are oblivious to what their government truly is. We are too full of propaganda and lies to see. We stand around with blind patriotism waving our flags, while our government oppresses the rest of the world. Eventually the oppressed will realize they outnumber the oppressors 1000:1. God help the USA when that happens. Feel free to flame and thumbs down. It dont change the fact that its true.



Hey, don't take her ignorant post and associate the rest of us Americans with it. ;)

alyoshka 11/04/2011 7:40 PM
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They're also the worlds most populous country, so that pretty understandable.
Probability of finding more bad apples in a truck full of apples is higher than the probability of finding one bad apple in just a dozen.

dalethepcman 11/04/2011 7:42 PM
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Quote :but because the United States has never engaged in anything similar, ever.


I lol'd when I read this. I would have to Agree with GreatSaltedOne. Its not that we wouldn't engage in stealing trade secrets, but really what research and technology processes would we want to steal from China, how to mandate a government firewall 101?

Anonymous 11/04/2011 7:48 PM
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According to Symantec the biggest cyber-theft perpetrator is Mexico THEN followed by China and Brasil.

brothermist 11/04/2011 8:06 PM
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halcyon :
Hey, don't take her ignorant post and associate the rest of us Americans with it.


No personal attack meant. :) When I refer to "the people of the US" I mean it generally, I am well aware that, especially now, there are a growing number of people who are removing their blinders, and revolting against their televisions. Also, I'm just some douche on the internet. :)

halcyon 11/04/2011 8:09 PM
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brothermist :
No personal attack meant. When I refer to "the people of the US" I mean it generally, I am well aware that, especially now, there are a growing number of people who are removing their blinders, and revolting against their televisions. Also, I'm just some douche on the internet.


Oh, I was half-way troll'n. Troll'n, troll'n, troll'n.

brothermist 11/04/2011 8:11 PM
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Anonymous of Alabama_ :
According to Symantec the biggest cyber-theft perpetrator is Mexico THEN followed by China and Brasil.


Pfft... coming to the table with your own research and an ability to think for yourself... Don't question, man, follow, just follow! ;)

brothermist 11/04/2011 8:15 PM
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halcyon :
Oh, I was half-way troll'n. Troll'n, troll'n, troll'n.


I've been out douched! +1 for successful troll. ;)

Anonymous 11/04/2011 11:16 PM
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I don't know why but when I read this story I'm reminded of Command & Conquer, where if you play as China you can train hackers to get money instead of harvesting.

alidan 11/05/2011 12:29 PM
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edvinasm :
Study: Chinese Cyber-Threat is 'Rudimentary'http://www.tomsguide.com/us/chines [...] 13067.htmland now US Says China is World's Biggest Cyber-Theft Perpetrator ???So who's right?



not exactly, alot of what china does is partner with other people/companies, once it learns what it thinks is enough about the tech, they kick them out, pirate the tech, and try to put it to use. most recent one was a train, they partnered with a Japanese company, kicked them out, pirated tech made the train, and it derailed, killing i believe 180+ and the government promptly buried it.

the problem with china is the allure of 1 billion + people to get money from, so many companies will gladly share tech with them, in hopes they make money, but they get cut off and are left with nothing to gain much of the time.

DalaiLamar 11/05/2011 1:02 AM
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Who can trust the US nowadays?

alidan 11/05/2011 1:48 AM
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DalaiLamar :
Who can trust the US nowadays?



well we don't sell out harmful propaganda, and strong arm other first world countries and intimidate them for no real reason other than to say, we could end you, at any time, but we don't. more often than not we help...

and i'm disregarding military in the middle east because i have mixed feelings about that i don't want to go into.

Tomfreak 11/05/2011 3:45 AM
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U.S. Intelligence officials forgot to mentioned that China gov indirectly pays their salary because China buy US gov debt which pay these "Intelligence officials". lol Know ur place U.S. Intelligence officials