Find these people, perhaps by seeking to do business with them, then use them ALL for training in wet-work.

these kinds of things makes me wonder why laws aren't enacted to punish these incompetent service providers and their lack of will or just plain ineptitude. these kind of security breaches should not be occurring. it is true that it is impossible to completely keep a system secure but they should be able to minimize the depth and time these 'hackers' have to run wild in their systems. i find it hard to believe that they do not have teams specifically assigned to monitor and track intrusions in their systems.

Yeah, like any of t-mobile's competitors would even consider such an act, if any of them did they would be in a serious world of legal hurt, like a giant 'sue me' sign on their foreheads

Did you not read the part where T-Mobile said there was no security breach? Reading comprehension FTW...

that was posted after i commented, hater. and i wouldn't trust wot they're saying after the fact. they can make their reports say wotever they wish them to say. if it can be proven the data is authentic then t-mobile's excuses mean very little. next!

If you are competent enough to get in, through the firewall, and were able to copy the databases etc. over, then you should be competent enough to clear up your traces as well. Even in the dawn of computer networks & hacking, hackers were clearing their traces as soon as they're finished with what they are doing. So, "security isn't breached" means just "we don't have any logs stating that someone entered our network".
So, not having logs, does it really mean that nobody entered, or, someone entered and then cleared up all the logs regarding her when she's finished?

I don't know. Something just feels wrong here. This is about the fourth story I have read or heard about in the last 6 months that follows the same pattern. Hackers steal confidential, either/or customer and company, information then publicly claim they have it and try and get money for it. Not saying it is not possible and not saying it isn't even true; just seems a lot of this going around to make me think that the maybe it is not all hackers. Perhaps it is some sort of new Nigeria scam. Just a thought.

Exactly....What if the T-mobile Administrators SUCK AT THEIR JOB!!!!

they can tell their bosses..."Nah...nobody hacked us" just so that they can keep their jobs....heck...what if they were too stupid to know what happened.....or are not competent enough to see an attack that is right in front of their face.

You would have to BE a hacker in order to spot a hack.....no experience in this field= unable to detect problem.....It's like going into a pitch black closet trying to find something....Not going to happen.....


So their is a 50/50 chance that the T-mobile network admins either know what to look for or not

Guess I DON'T need a mobile makeover after all, even from Catherine Zeta-Jones.

I don't understand how they got this info without hacking. Its either an inside job, or the hackers did hack un-noticed in the network (i.e. they obtained usernames and passwords somehow).

From the way the article made it sound, it's more than likely that it was an inside job, rather than "hackers". Some irate employee probably made a copy of some files and tried to make a buck by selling them.

SO THEY SAY!

Hackers say they stole data.

Admins are not sure.....

until they can prove or disprove it without a doubt I say for the time being it is plausible.

If nothing comes of this in 30 days....it is all lies.

If it DOES turn out they got hacked...People WILL be getting fired!

I wouldn't trust T-mobile's word. They have reason to lie to make their customers feel comfortable to continue using T-mobiles service.

bs they hacked their crap security system, and now they say they got the data in another way so ppl dont think T-mobile securty is breached.

IT IS !!!

tanks... i needed a laugh...

Whether they got the data by hacking, walking out of the building with boxes of backup tapes, or using a Jedi mind trick doesn't matter. It's still a security issue which the company is responsible for. To announce that it wasn't done through hacking doesn't change anything.

T-Mobile should hire a 3rd party to investigate if they have been hacked or not.
I figure if the network is insecure and got hacked.. .someone should be unemployeed.

Haha pwnmobile, I like that name.

The real point being is you can't always stop a good hacker no matter how good you are at security, you can only detect them so they don't get away with it.

Imagine that the T-mobile admins are awesome, they detected the intrusion and brought it to the executive staff. Do you really think they will admit it? They would if the punishment for non-disclosure was worse than the theft. This is why there needs to be a harsh law.

All these hacker horror stories lately are hitting the front pages for a reason. It's all just a part of the US govt's plan to regulate and control the internet, in much the same way as China. Don't believe it if you don't want to, but it's coming. We're going to start hearing more and more about "hackers" digging deeper into crucial systems. It will come to the point where "hacker" will be almost synonymous with "terrorist", and the government will have "no choice" but to regulate and control the US net to increase "security".

you are so right...

I also tend to agree with you. Fight against hackers is done by closing security holes in systems, not by plugging into the wire. In fact, even if they'll be recording and regulating everything, a knowledgeable hacker will be able to work around those stuff as easy as entering a network. But as with the governments, it will make them possible to make normal people's lives a hell. (Have you ever noticed the insane *security* levels which, if you are a normal person, a real pain in the ***. But if you are a determined terrorist, I'm sure you'd find a way to down that plane.)

If she came knocking on my door, I would do her a big favor.

Tuna or salmon?

Very important difference I feel I should point out, a hacker is someone that modifies things to do what they want (building a computer in a microwave case, construction their own firewall, etc...), crackers are people (usually a hacker) that break into computer systems. Don't believe me? Look it up. Same as the difference between black hat and white hat.

If I where a concurrent company, I would buy the data, immediately seal it (preferably without reading it), contact a lawyer, and get the legal system working.

It would be an honorable deed!

You always have to think: "what would I want if someone stole and sold my company data to concurrence?, what would I want the other company to do?"

Even if they don't have real data, and are bluffing, they can be sewed for not selling the material they agreed on on the sale.
There are a lot of crimes on selling other company data; good for 5 or 10 years behind bars!

I call it fake...

Nonetheless, if this is for real, my suggestion to T-Mobile:
SPAM THEM TO DEATH!!

Fill them up with so many fraudulent "buy offers" they never find the real ones. Pour emails on them in the thousands. At least it should keep them occupied until they're tracked down..

"The statement went on to detail that there was no customer information contained in the document, nor does the T-Mobile security system show any evidence of a breach."

Then they have no intrusion detection and/or logging. Don't worry people; your information was not compromise because T-Mobile said so. I am also Santa... because I say so. Maybe T-Mobile does not want to lose customers for compromising data.

Good thing I have AT&T

Good thing I have AT&T

Oh yea, AT&T, better data security, substantially inferior network. I'm sure you're happy.