I've been pre-ing all my life, why should I pay money for that?
Wait did I say that out loud?

The phone looks killer but I hate mail-in rebates. Here's to hoping it kicks the iPhone's ass.

I used to be Palm fan, but the last few years were painful to watch as the innovation fizzled quickly and was virtually absent for at least 2 years. I seriously don't trust they will gather the support the iPhone has. Software is what makes it useful, and the old Palm had lots of useful stuff. The new OS looks nice, but resets the available Apps as well. Good start, but unfortunately way too late!

I used to be Palm fan, but the last few years were painful to watch as the innovation fizzled quickly and was virtually absent for at least 2 years. I seriously don't trust they will gather the support the iPhone has. Software is what makes it useful, and the old Palm had lots of useful stuff. The new OS looks nice, but resets the available Apps as well. Good start, but unfortunately way too late!

And yes, now I am in the iPhone camp and looking forward to v3.0, but as it seems the only concern that's not addressed with the new OS is the lack of a usable Organizer (ToDo, Calendar and Contacts integrated).

i highly doubt it comes with the data plan if it did I'd be all over it but there is little to no mention on the web.

1) Places like Radio Shack offered instant $100-off rebates for the Samsung Instinct, and I don't think it'll be any different for the Palm Pre.

2) iPhone has got competition, and I think that's a good thing.

3) ATT's iPhone plan is friggin' ridiculous. Sprint's customer service is inept. Pick your poison.

Not true, actually. At launch, the Pre comes with an old Garnet PalmOS emulator, so you can still run most older Palm applications, even complete with an emulated button bar at the bottom for 5-way navigation.

Meanwhile, though I'm leaning towards iPhone if the Pre doesn't work out, I want a hard keyboard (I hate on-screen keys), I want multitasking, and I have a strong aversion to iTunes. I'll be getting my hands on a Pre in-store before deciding if I will buy one, and iPhone is my backup plan, but it does have features I want.

You have to buy at a minimum a $70 plan to use the Pre. It requires a data plan to even activate the device, so you may not buy voice-only for the Pre.


I've actually had good luck with Sprint service. Twice now I've used online chat with Sprint to discuss my bill, and both times they made changes without hassling me. One time I had a technical problem, and that too was solved over the course of 15 minutes on the phone. I even get better signal (more bars) than my friend with AT&T. I'm all for hating Sprint like everyone else does, but sadly, they've actually been good to me.

Sprint's Everything Plan is $99 for unlimited minutes, data, text, and includes features like GPS and SprintTV. Sprint's Everything Data Plan for $69 includes everything in the Everything Plan except, instead of unlimited minutes, you have 450. The ATT equivalent of the plan is $97 for Everything Data, $28 difference... You might as well switch to Sprint with the Everything Plan for $99.

However, Sprint also has a referral program that gives you a $10 discount.

The clamshell look, small screen, Java based games, tiny button keyboard, being on sprint, $100 more than iPhone up front, the iPhone 2009 coming a few days later with better specs, lack of apps initially, unproven OS, unproven reliability, won't compare to app store or itunes, Palm going almost bankrupt so enjoy your warranty a year down the road, unproven screen, futurue lawsuit with apple.....

who would want this thing?

I think that's a matter of opinion. Who would want an iPhone when they first came out, with unproven reliability, being shackled to AT&T, not having Copy/Paste, lack of apps initially, a ton of other competing phones on the market with longer track records, no keyboard, and an boxy form factor? You're arguing largely that it's unproven. So, no one should buy anything if the competing product is already out?

But there are differences in features. The Pre is designed to fit better in your hand (rounded instead of rectangular), designed for people that like physical keys (like me), is a new web-centric model (time will tell if that works), and is there for people that just don't WANT an Apple product (those people do exist). And remember, this is the Pre 1.0. The next Pre is out later this year, and soon may be a parity with Apple's phone. Or it may die like the PS3. Who knows? But it's a valid product for people who want some competition in the market.

Two weeks from launch and not a single review anywhere. I don't know what Palm is hiding, but I find it odd that they refuse to send out review units to even the most critical tech experts.

That means the Palm Pre competition over at PalmGoon.com ends June 6th too!

Get posting - http://palmgoon.com/goon-giveaway-free-palm-pre/

Keetch, are you an idiot? Theres been nothing BUT reviews since Jan of this year, Toms Hardware, Ars Technica, Gizmod, Engadget, etc. Pull your head out of your bum and LOOK

True, though I will have to see how pen based programs really WORK with the new interface emulating the old. Of course, the eye candy is certainly amiss in the old Palm apps and it still would feel alien even if it runs. So it's really not the same.

kinda looks like my HTC touch dual

Apple has a track record of good operating systems and products. The last Palm phone had a buggy OS and had hardware problems. Being tied to the nations #1 U.S. network is not a bad thing either. Plus who says the Pre will fit better in your hands, especially with the keyboard out? The form factor is also thicker since it includes the physical keyboard (which will also wear out like every other physical keyboard). Even if it did fit better in your hands (which I doubt), I would give up comfort any day for a bigger screen. Also the Pre just won't take off like the iphone because A) Limited to certain Walmarts B) No Apple following and/or additional stores like the Apple stores C) Less Sprint stores than AT&T stores. D) Less advertising budget (how many iPhone comercials have you seen in the last month?) E) No track record like previously stated. F) On Sprint like previously stated. A smaller carier wich no one will leave AT&T or Verizon for. Plus its reviews on Consumer reports and others make it a joke. G) Previous Palm phones sucked (Centro) F) iPod touch apps compatiable with iPhone make its store even more potent. All pre apps will be slow web based including games. That to me is the worst feature of the Pre. F)Like previously stated Palm is almost bankrupt so if any recalls are made.... GOOD LUCK.

I could of also mentioned the 1000s of acceries for the iphone. Docks, Stereos, Car Stereos with ipod controls. Pre has no built in storage so more up front costs on top of being $100 more than iPhone. There are multiple features for iPhone 3.0 that won't be on Pre also (adhoc Wi-Fi, Plus iPhone already has name recongnition and is a household name. Also why won't any Pre fans compare the Pre to the new iPhone 2009?

rexoverbey, you have me for most of that. Granted there's a significant following for Apple that Palm doesn't have (no question there). Granted Apple products are known for quality that Palm isn't known for (though I've had a couple iPods die on me). But you lost me when you said "Pre has no built in storage", because last I checked, it does have 8 GB storage. Admittedly, though, that's less space than the higher end iPhones, and there is no SD card slot. iPhone is a powerful competitor and deserves the market share it has. I still want a Pre, strictly as a personal opinion and based on the features I've compared in my research.

Now why don't we compare the Pre to the new, unannounced iPhone that rumors say will be mentioned next month? Because we know nothing about it, at all, except rumors. Because even when they DO announce it, it still won't be out at the time the Pre is out, so the Pre will be competing with the 3G. Because it's hard to compare revealed specs with speculation of future features for an unannounced phone.

That would be such an accomplishment, especially since the iPhone has been around how long?

so i am paying 57.00 a month for my centro with unlimited data....will i be FORCED to get the EVERYTHING plan for 99.99.....cause i REFUSE to pay that!!!!

by te way i am using my delta airlines discount to get my price that low...

That was my reaction first, but the early reports were mistyped. You do NOT need the $99 "Simply Everything" plan to get a Pre, merely the "Everything Data" plan, starting at $69/month with unlimited data, unlimited texting, free roaming, free nights and weekends, and 450 minutes per month. I'm disappointed that I can't continue the $59 plan I have now (no texting), but it's only 70 bucks... just like the iPhone (I believe, I could be wrong about iPhone prices).

What about tethering? A big feature of the AT&T 8525 for me is the free tethering that I hear people are actually paying extra for in some cases.

to bad its sprint, could have been a good phone.

Sprint's customer service as far better then ATT's and their netword and wireless are far better so the only poison would be ATT and the iphone

HMMM rexsloverboy sounds like a real POS Apple Zealot... Many of the things he said were just not true..ATT being the best network? LMAO how about not as good as sprint and far more expensive since he mentions costs trying to make it sound like the PRE is more expesnive(which it is not)..Apple Iphone apps are easily ported to the PRE it has been revealed recently soooo =D guess what developers are going to do???the PRE is fractions thicker and the weight i think fractions of an ouch heavier??Big difference.But the screen on the PRE will have a better resolution since it is smaller as loverboy states.Many people actually like the centro I know many people with one.Again the iphone will costs them over a $1000 more in a 2 year contract.Iphone was quite buggy for awhile,They had no apps at all when they first came out while the PRE already has some and also legacy apps and the iphone apps to be ported over hehe. PRE is not tied down the the NAZI APPLE NETWORK that is a huge plus for many.People want think you have a stick up your a$$ and light in your loafers with your nose stuck up in the aire like most APPLE Elitist fanbois.NO keyboard besides a terrible onscreen one that many hate and say it constantly mistypes,dropped calls all the time on ATT network,NO MULTI TASKING!!!!!!,NO SYNERGY!!!!!NO TOUCHSTONE!!!!proprietory cables for everything!!!!OTHER APPLE FANS EWWW!!!!!! I mean the PRE has it all over the IPHONE and their NAZI FANS!! WE HAVE FREEDOM!!! oh yes you get gps,text,tv,radio and everything else and more for less then what ATT and APPLE charge and they have none of that. OUCHH They actually suck asss.

Actually there is a way to get your loyalty discount still if you have one so it is $69.99 minus it.

Something for you Pre fans. Iphone 2009 specs releasing July.


Lets do a comparison….
Iphone 2009 - Pre
1) 32GB vs 8GB
2) Video Recording/Editing vs No video
3) OLED (color,viewing angles, battery life) vs LCD
4) Longer battery life vs Shorter battery life
5) FM Transmitter vs No FM transmitter
6) 3.2MP vs 3MP
7) Larger Screen OLED vs Smaller Screen LCD
GPS/Compas/Turn-by-turn vs GPS
9) 256 RAM vs 256 RAM
10) Fast Objective C games vs Java Based Games
11) Webkit Browser vs Webkit Browser
12) 3G vs 3G
13) 600Mhz ARM vs 600Mhz ARM
14) MMS with video vs No Video MMS
15) WIFI with Adhoc Gaminig (OS3.0) vs WIFI
16) Audio Sharing (OS3.0) vs NO Audio Sharing
17) 35,000 Apps vs Handful Apps
18) Itunes Store (Music, Podcasts) vs No Itunes
19) Bluetooth 2.1 vs Bluetooth 2.1
20) Multi Touch vs Multi Touch
21) Non Physical vs Physical Keyboard (Wears Out)
22) AT&T Network vs Sprint Network
23) $199(16GB)/$299(32GB) vs $299(8GB - $100 Rebate)
24) Thousands Accessories (car, docks, cases) vs Hardly none

Just for everyone's information...

Since the Pre will be out a good month before the iPhone 2009, and since I have no idea where those specs for the new iPhone are from or if they're legit, we're still comparing the iPhone 3G to the Pre, since that's the actual competition until such time as a new iPhone is actually released.

That in mind, I give this link to you.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/pre-vs-iphone/

1 Month of sales over iPhone 2009 is not competition (nor an iPhone killer). So Pre fans cans say what they want if those specs are true (which the Apple blog says they are).... Bye bye Pre. Plus you are comparing it to the iPhone 2G/3G which are over a two/one year(s) old and are getting new features with OS3.0 (Adhoc Wifi, MMS, A2DP Bluetooth, File Transfer, Copy/Paste, etc).