Man With Hitler Speech as Ringtone Faces Jailtime
Not cool, man. Not cool.
Back in the early days of cell phones, it was all about just picking a ringtone that came with the phone. Then came polyphonic ringtones, and things got a little more musical. These days, however, you can have anything you want as your ringtone, as long as it's in some kind of digital file format.
Having a custom ringtone can be a form of expression about who you are, which is great, unless you're a Nazi. A German man now faces up to six months in prison for his ringtone – a recording of a speech given by Adolf Hitler regarding the "destruction of world Jewry," which passengers aboard a Hamburg train heard several times throughout the journey, the Telegraph reported.
After being taken into custody at the end of the train line, police found in his possession swastika stickers and photos of Hitler on his phone with the words "The greatest commander of all time."
The German constitution expressly forbids public displays of the Nazis and their works.
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stupidity on a whole new level.
I still like the polyphonic ringtones the most!
I still like the polyphonic ringtones the most!
The good times!!
I am an idiot!!
first!
fail, that was not first. If your going to troll, at least do it right!
fail, that was not first. If your going to troll, at least do it right!
+1000
This guy is an ignorant idiot, but also... German law is stupid. They excessively censor films and videogames.
Like if doing that will hide their years and history of cruelty and violence!
You know who did not have violent videogames? HITLER! Violence in videogames does not correlate with violence in real life.
this is just stupid. what happened to freedom of speech and thoughts ?
It's somewhat understandable. For an American, European WW II is a rather far off thing that they didn't get involved in up close (no civilian casualties and the American role in Allied victory is next to nothing - Soviet Russia single handedly destroyed Germany with British air support).
But for Germans, Hitler's terror is still very much alive. They dread Nazism. They suffered immensely due to it. And then someone thinks it's funny to play Hitler quotes in public? I'll start reciting the Quran during a Christian meeting. Or shout how America isn't socialist enough at a Tea Party meeting. That's how respectful it is...
This guy is an ignorant idiot, but also... German law is stupid. They excessively censor films and videogames.
To be fair though you can't really blame the laws all things considered, even if I'd personally agree they are excessive.
Looking at if from another perspective you could say the same thing about US laws and censorship, only they refer to nudity, sex and moral outrage rather than violence.
Man has a long way to go still I fear.
this is just stupid. what happened to freedom of speech and thoughts ?
He ain't in America.
As screwed up as the Teabaggers are... who knows what sets them off. They aren't close to the evil that was Hitler and his Nazi party.
But Neo-Nazis are around...
I will not preach race hate.
^ It's Europe, only Muslims can publicly preach hate.
Do you live in Europe? I never noticed preaching hate is the exclusive territory of Muslims, and I know very few Muslims that preach hate.
He ain't in America.
Wait? America is the shining beacon of free speech?
I guess the Patriot Act never happened. I guess communists are allowed to speak freely. I guess a homosexual can freely show his affinity in public and can even marry his partner?
Oh wait, that's in Europe.
Okay I am German, and Freedom of Speech does not apply to hatred ... at least in Germany. Hence, having someone broadcast such material in public is an offense no matter which way it goes.
Most "historic" broadcasts in the US certainly glorify the German war machine and it's no wonder people think it's not that bad. In fact there is a sick admiration prevalent in some people.
Think of it as slander, and "every American" (stereotypical) would go to court for that. Just as "freedom of speech" doesn't apply to that, it doesn't in this case.
no comment
If we've learned anything in the 21st century, it's:
that I probably don't understand much about history.
I guess a homosexual can freely show his affinity in public and can even marry his partner?Oh wait, that's in Europe.
This is nothing to be proud of.
I believe he went in jail not because of the Hitler ringtone, but because of what Hitler said: "destruction of world Jewry". I don't think it's cool to openly state your antisemitism.
This is nothing to be proud of.I believe he went in jail not because of the Hitler ringtone, but because of what Hitler said: "destruction of world Jewry". I don't think it's cool to openly state your antisemitism.
Nope, it isn't. Freedom of speech is limited and not absolute: pure and open hatred is something that's not covered by free speech.
But what's the relation between my (partial) post you quoted and your (sound) argument?
But it's not slander, and slander doesn't land you in jail in America. Libel, which is *factually inaccurate* slander might land you a lawsuit at worst. Anyway, whether or not America is a great example of the protection of freedom of speech is irrelevant. The FACT is that this blatant disregard for basic human freedoms by the Germans is NO different in principle from Nazism. The Germans might not pick on Jews anymore, but they still act like Nazis. Hitler arrested people for speaking their minds, and the German government still does the same. Wake up! Nazism is still alive and well in German government!
If we've learned anything in the 21st century, it's:Hitler rounding up the jews and killing them == badJews rounding up and killing the Palestinians == good
I'm going to be devil's advocate for a second: Israel does not seek to systematically destroy every Palestinian alive.
What we're seeing there is something we're also seeing in Darfour and many other regions of the world:
Two peoples with a different way of life and a different culture that live in the same country. That's not a problem, there are lots of states like that. But there's something that complicates things: Israel/Palestine is overpopulated, lacks water for agriculture and personal use and features two distinct people competing over the same scarce soil and water. That's bound to go wrong.
Advanced agricultural techniques like drip-irrigation, often invented or at least imported by the Jews allowed the population to grow at a high pace to its current level. But now we've hit a wall. The Jordan is dry. Aquifer levels are dropping. Why do you think Israel's 'Safety Wall' encircles some of the last fertile and humid areas on the Palestinian side of the border?
It's an ugly fight for scarce resources and both sides are willing to go far. Unfortunately for th Palestines, Isreal has the technology and scientific knowledge to crush the Palestinians. Given its overwhelming power, they've even been rather gentle...
But it's not slander, and slander doesn't land you in jail in America. Libel, which is *factually inaccurate* slander might land you a lawsuit at worst. Anyway, whether or not America is a great example of the protection of freedom of speech is irrelevant. The FACT is that this blatant disregard for basic human freedoms by the Germans is NO different in principle from Nazism. The Germans might not pick on Jews anymore, but they still act like Nazis. Hitler arrested people for speaking their minds, and the German government still does the same. Wake up! Nazism is still alive and well in German government!
It's a common idea here in Europe that freedom of speech is not an absolute concept. It has a border and that border is hatred. Giving an opinion criticizing someone else is fine. Preaching hatred or even the eradication of someone else is a criminal offense and rightfully so.
Trying to prevent ideas based on hate for the other from taking root isn't Nazism. It's preventing Nazism or any other ideology based on oppression and hatred for the other can never again take root.
A key motto in German politics is 'Mit Einander. Für Einander. Nie wieder gegen Einander.' These words perfectly explain why this sort of hatred can't be tolerated.
Very few? So there are some then.Let me guess, the Imams?
How many Imams lectures have you heard? There are a few Imams preaching extremist ideas, just as their are Christians harboring extremist ideas. These are quickly arrested and more importantly, denounced by the vast majority of their colleagues.
Most Imams preach a moderate Islam, based on Zakat (charity) and respect for the other. Even when it comes to sexual morale they are far ahead of many Christians (how many clergymen encourage the use of condoms in public?)
Accusing all or even a majority of harboring extremist ideas is an extremist idea by itself...
All I heard there was
I'm getting a strong feeling you never studied Islam in general, much less Islam in the West. But that's okay, you're probably one of these idiots who thinks the average Muslim is proud of Al Qaida.
But you're wrong. Most Muslim Imams even denounce Al Qaida and other scum on the margin. A Fatwa was recently written against them, and that's pretty heavy (the closest thing we have in Christianity would be a Papal Bull).
In the eyes of a normal Muslim, blowing yourself up and plotting to destroy the West is as acceptable as raping every single child we encounter in the street is to us.
flow-tilla :
If we've learned anything in the 21st century, it's:Hitler rounding up the jews and killing them == badJews rounding up and killing the Palestinians == good
I'm going to be devil's advocate for a second: Israel does not seek to systematically destroy every Palestinian alive.
No? Are you sure? I guess not
It's somewhat understandable. For an American, European WW II is a rather far off thing that they didn't get involved in up close (no civilian casualties and the American role in Allied victory is next to nothing - Soviet Russia single handedly destroyed Germany with British air support).But for Germans, Hitler's terror is still very much alive. They dread Nazism. They suffered immensely due to it. And then someone thinks it's funny to play Hitler quotes in public? I'll start reciting the Quran during a Christian meeting. Or shout how America isn't socialist enough at a Tea Party meeting. That's how respectful it is...
Wow! What a load of nonsense. No civilian casualties? Russia single handedly defeated? Please do some research before posting fallacies like this. I realize you have no knowledge of History but why not start by researching how many locomotives that Russia produced during the war which btw = 0 and then look at the American lend-lease program to Russia and England as well. Then take a look at the numbers of U.S. civilians dtained and killed in the PTO.
As an avid historian crap like this makes blood shoot out of my eyes.
flow-tilla :If we've learned anything in the 21st century, it's:Hitler rounding up the jews and killing them == badJews rounding up and killing the Palestinians == goodI'm going to be devil's advocate for a second: Israel does not seek to systematically destroy every Palestinian alive.No? Are you sure? I guess not
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1) Quoting the first line of a post is lame. A post is coherent list of arguments that need to be together to make a point.
2) Yes, I'm sure. Israel could have easily destroyed every single Palestine with ease, but guess what, they didn't. They even offer millions of them a home...
I'm not saying Israel is holy, but the Palestinians have too much blood on their hands too to be worth defending... Both sides are so out of line it's impossible to say: 'that's the good guy, the other is the evil one'.
It's somewhat understandable. For an American, European WW II is a rather far off thing that they didn't get involved in up close (no civilian casualties and the American role in Allied victory is next to nothing - Soviet Russia single handedly destroyed Germany with British air support).
"Didn't get involved in up close"... yeah, I guess Normandy, France is not part of Europe. Who knew?
Wait? America is the shining beacon of free speech?I guess the Patriot Act never happened. I guess communists are allowed to speak freely. I guess a homosexual can freely show his affinity in public and can even marry his partner?Oh wait, that's in Europe.
Right, homosexual "marriage" is exactly the same thing as freedom of speech. Right. Get a clue, please.
"Didn't get involved in up close"... yeah, I guess Normandy, France is not part of Europe. Who knew?
Sicily, Italy, N. Africa, Belguim, Holland, Luxembourg, Austria, France, New Guinea, The Philipines, China, Burma, The Solomons, The Marshals, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, The Carolinas, the list goes on and on...
It's somewhat understandable. For an American, European WW II is a rather far off thing that they didn't get involved in up close (no civilian casualties and the American role in Allied victory is next to nothing - Soviet Russia single handedly destroyed Germany with British air support).
That's quite a lopsided viewpoint since my father had 50 combat missions as a Pilot on B-17's over Italy,France,Austria(part of the greater German reich),Germany,Romania,Yugoslavia,Hungary,Czechoslovakia and Greece.Also my uncle entered Germany as a mortar team leader and helped in the liberation of Ohrdruf.