Microsoft Dropping HD Lock for Xbox 360?
Source: Tom's Guide US | Keywords: Microsoft, Xbox, 360, Console, Resolution | Themes: Software, Digital Entertainment
According to Black Rock Studios, Microsoft is no longer locking developers at 1280 x 720.
David Jefferies from development studio Black Rock Studios is suggesting that Microsoft has dropped the requirement to create Xbox 360 games locked at 1280 x 720. He mentioned this revelation in a recent blog, talking about LCD resolutions and how many now support 1366 x 768. The evidence he presented made sense: the LCD monitor will rescale the 1280 x 720 image using 2xMSAA to fit the larger size, thus showing a lower-quality picture.
"By asserting that screen resolution is more important than anti-aliasing we’re leaving ourselves vulnerable when the customer’s LCD decides it’s going to rescale the image to a new resolution anyway," he said. "If we instead assume that the LCD is going to rescale then, for some games, it might be more sensible to present it with a better anti-aliased but lower resolution image in the first place."
Jefferies said that the team currently uses 26-inch widescreen Sony Bravia LCD TVs. They chose those particular TVs not only because of their popularity and image quality, but because they are similar to what BRS expects their customers are currently using. After noticing that the display format provides 1366 x 768, they went online and hunted down 26-inch and 32-inch Sony and Samsung TVs on Amazon, and discovered the same higher resolution.
"It’s is for this reason that Microsoft recently retired the TCR insisting on 1280x720," he said .Now we are free to make the trade-off between resolution and image quality as we see fit."
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LOL... i thought they had full-HD...
thank god I don't own a 360...
PS3 FTW...
LOL... i thought they had full-HD...thank god I don't own a 360...PS3 FTW...
most ps3 games don't support 1080p anyway, so dont start saying that it's so much better than the 360. And for the record, my only console at home is a ps3.
most ps3 games don't support 1080p anyway, so dont start saying that it's so much better than the 360. And for the record, my only console at home is a ps3.
at least we D0 have...
Hmm... nice try, but the PS3 is no different. Many games render at sub 600p.
Yeah well my PC runs at full 1080p, bitches!
Here I was, thinking MS actually would let us use our own 2.5" HD's.. Damn it.
Here I was, thinking MS actually would let us use our own 2.5" HD's.. Damn it.
Well, you still can, provided it's at one of their official sizes and you don't mind flashing it.
Nobody can say ps3 or 360 are better with resolutions. BOTH have games below 720p, both have 720p, both have 1080i/p games. (native resolutions)
most ps3 games don't support 1080p anyway, so dont start saying that it's so much better than the 360. And for the record, my only console at home is a ps3.
Here's the reality with the PS3, most games are cross platform, developers develope titles to the lowest common denominator, i.e. the XBox360 at 720P, so most cross platform titles will be 720P until MS supports 1080P in their titles as default, good luck with that in the current console.
Yeah well my PC runs at full 1080p, bitches!
Oh SNAP! +1 for the PC! 2048 x 1152 FTW!
Nobody can say ps3 or 360 are better with resolutions. BOTH have games below 720p, both have 720p, both have 1080i/p games. (native resolutions)
Not sure what you mean, but from this article I suspect that the Xbox 360 has a lock that won't allow games to render at 1080i/p -- up until now. As I understood it, the 360 would render in 720P then either it or the TV upscales it to 1080i/1080p.
Here's the reality with the PS3, most games are cross platform, developers develope titles to the lowest common denominator, i.e. the XBox360 at 720P, so most cross platform titles will be 720P until MS supports 1080P in their titles as default, good luck with that in the current console.
Not true.
Take for example Red Faction Guerilla. It is 1080 for the 360 but only 720 for the PS3. And that's the case with most cross platform games. Don't believe me? Go to your nearest BestBuy, Gamestop, whatever and check for yourself then you can hear me inside your head laughing at you and saying I told you.
Developers traditionally do a crappy job when coding the PS3 version of a cross platform game because the PS3 is harder to code to and has less people using it so that means less revenue but more work unlike the 360. So they just do good enough to get the game out for the PS3 no matter if it will run good or not in it. Can't you remember the orange box which was crappier for the PS3 in all ways possible?
Here's the reality with the PS3, most games are cross platform, developers develope titles to the lowest common denominator, i.e. the XBox360 at 720P, so most cross platform titles will be 720P until MS supports 1080P in their titles as default, good luck with that in the current console.
erm... YOu are SO wrong in so many ways.. So you are telling me the fact that tittles like GhostBusters who are noticably lower in quality and reolution, and other crossplatform that are by at least 95% performing worst on the PS3 its cause they are limited from the 360 development? lol.. You make so lil sence. I really dont think they have a problem to use different resolution for each version of the game. Its not like the PS3 titles in development are any similar to the 360. Its like you are telling me that the PC titles are even harder for them to release cause of the resolutions or something? are we serious now? o.O Doesnt take a sientist you know..
Here I was, thinking MS actually would let us use our own 2.5" HD's.. Damn it.
Dude.. I hoped the same thing lol. Sucks, I know.
LOL... i thought they had full-HD...thank god I don't own a 360...PS3 FTW...
Do a research and find how many games on BD are over 720p for the PS3 you tard lol... Why are the ignorant Sony fans so out there when they post anywhere?
MY OPINION ARTICLE RELATED: So this means that not only titles might look even better but also can be tweaked to adjust performance/quality now. Freedom was alwaysa good thing no matter on what and where huh.
I was wondering why I couldn't tell the difference between 720P and 1080P on my ASUS VH242 23.6". I thought it was either the Xbox 360 or my HDMI cable--so I hooked up my PS3 using the same cable and the PS3 had a sharper/clearer 1080P image on my monitor. I'm hoping for a firmware update to fix the blurry images at 1080p on the 360.
Yeah well my PC runs at full 1080p, bitches!
Ok, but how many games run crash-free or without having to install a dozen patches over it's life? I prefer PC's but it requires more work to be a PC gamer.
People are confusing the real rendered resolution with the upscaled resolution. Upscaling can improve graphics slightly but the ps3 uses the cheaper billinear algorithm (which is less sharp) whereas the 360 uses a lanczos resize which gives much better results
the real rendered resolution of some games:
Bioshock PS3 runs at 1200x675 vs 1280x720 for the Xbox 360.
GTA IV runs at a resolution of 630p (1120 x 630) on the PS3, Xbox 360 720p (1280 x 720) resolution.
Ghostbusters has native resolution of 960x540 on ps3. That's a massive gulf in detail level compared to the native 720p (1280x720)on the 360.
Halo 3 runs at 1152 x 640
MGS4 runs at 1024x768
Crash free? Never had a game crash since 2004, on my PS2...(vice city)
Install a dozen patches? Usually 3 max, but thats hardly a price to pay considering better graphics for about every pc game out there if you have the supported hardware.
Oh and how about firmware updates for consoles? Id consider that a patch
Although to boost your argument, I do have to reformat once or twice a year along with keeping the pc clean so that nothing does crash. That and a pc with hardware thats all perfectly compatible (no bsod's ever) but thats not JUST for games, thats for everything else I do with my pc as well
Good. I'm sure owners of higher resolution displays will appreciate that. Of course, if you want to game with a high res, I say build ( or at least buy ) a gaming PC
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Can who ever down rated me please at least explain why they did? since down rating my experience seems illogical...
Does that mean they are removing the minimum? I mean, can they develop 480i games on the 360 now? (not that anyone would do it... but it could be funny to watch people buy the game anyways.)
They only just discovered that 720p displays often have native resolutions of 1366x768? I've been using that res with my TV since I got it a few years ago. What they don't tell you, though, is that you can only use 1360x768. 1366 results in an 'out of range' message. In all honesty, though, you're really not going to notice much difference between 768p and 720p unless you are viewing text or icons.
LOL you guys are idoits PS3 can output true 1080P resolation however most games dont as they are ported from xbox and this ends them up being even lower sometimes than there x box counterpart. Xbox can only upsacle to 1080P so theres a diffrent PS3 can run Native 1080p but its not done (YET) very often. interms of upscaleing both Ps3 and xbox can also do this however Xbox can upscale better.
1080p on the Xbox360 and the PS3, simply doesn't work that well because of the hardware. Just look at the age of these things. The video rendering components of these things are 3 generations old (Xenos). Even in their generation they were a step down from the top tier PC counterparts.
Consider how an HD4870 struggles with Crysis at 1080p (cranked up), and that chip has 10x as many transistors, has triple the rendering pipelines and 16x as many shaders. The little Xenos is a great chip but it can't be expected to play modern titles at 1080p. The RSX on the PS3 isn't much better (NV47).
Yet they play tons of brand new games and for the most part they play them well. 720p ensures fluid gameplay which is far more important than increased resolution. Considering the limited memory, and antiquated technology, these consoles work really, really, well. Bottom line 720p looks great, 1080p is not worth losing frames over.
LOL you guys are idoits PS3 can output true 1080P resolation however most games dont as they are ported from xbox.
WTF? You are seriously saying that a game is released for the Xbox then someone ports it for use on the PS3?
By the way, up till recently I had a 5 year old PC that ran games on a 19" TFT, resolution 1440 x 900, pushing 60+ FPS. Does that mean that the old PC was better than the Xbox for res and FPS?
I think so!!!
CAll OF DUTY ISN'T EVEN 720p!!!! ITS ONLY 1024 x 600 UPSCALED!!!!1
2560x1600 monitor FTW! ...Unfortunately as consoles become more like PCs in terms of complexity they are also taking on many of the PCs drawbacks. Some games now have to be patched on consoles and we have all now heard of the RROD.
Okay, so I can't play Crysis in 2560, but most other games run pretty well at well over 1080p rez.
My setup is 720p. Only really old TV's use 1080i.
Funny....but when I compare certain games for both systems Xbox 360 tends to have more games at 1080p then PS3...case in point Smackdown vs Raw 2009 and Lengends of Wrestlemania both scale 1080p on my Samsung 46in but same game for PS3 only do 720p....weird huh?? Also if you look at same games boxes in the back, 360 version shows 1080p and PS3 720p. For the record I enjoy all my systems and I am not a fanboy.
Why would PC gamers always bring the stupid, bloated, unoptimized Crysis to console topics? Even Crytek openly admitted that Crysis engine was so unoptimized that they are going to change it and make the engine much better so that consoles can run it too.
As for ps3 and 360... 360 upscales games internally to 1080p for some games. PS3 has some exclusive games rendered at 1080p. There's no disputes about this.
But if you have a 1080P tv, no matter what, games are upscaled by the TV to 1080P. Heck, if you have a great receiver, the receiver will do it for you. Is this so freaking hard to understand?
Pfft. Come back when it's UHD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_hd
(1.4Tb/min anyone?)
Why should I play at the diminished resolution of 1080P (1920 x 1080) on my PC when I can and do play my games (Fallout 3 right now) at 1920 x 1200.
The PS3 does upscale DVD movies to 1080P, at least my old one does, don't know about the new models.