Lawyer: Google Wi-Fi Snooping ''Not An Accident''
Lawyers believe that Google intentionally collected data packets from private networks.
A federal judge in Oregon has ordered Google to turn over the U.S.-based data it siphoned from unsecured Wi-Fi networks by Friday. While Google claims that the sniffing was merely a coding error, the search engine giant currently faces several class action lawsuits from around the country. On a global scale, it's believed that Google's privacy violations were intentional, and now evidence has surfaced to back up those claims.
Brooks Cooper, an Oregon attorney currently suing Google over the Street View dispute, said that "it is our belief that it is not an accident." He pointed to a 2008 Google patent application (pdf)--aka "776"--that describes "one or more of the methods" Google uses to collect information for Street View. The patent was published by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in January.
Part of the patent raising a red flag describes a method to increase the accuracy of location-based services. These services would provide advertisers or other parties the location of a mobile phone or other computing devices. User locations are determined by intercepting data and analyzing the timing of transmission.
Naturally Google is disputing the patent's part in the current litigation. A company spokesperson said that patent 776 is unrelated to the software code used to collect Wi-Fi information with Street View cars. A separate statement also indicated that Google files patent applications on a variety of ideas conceived by its engineers. "Some of them mature into real products or services, and some of them don't," the spokesperson said.
Accusations against Google began earlier this year in Germany, as the country grew suspicious that the search engine giant was collecting more than just street information. Google eventually admitted that it had collected packets of information sent over Wi-Fi networks for the past three years, however the company said it was a mistake, blaming a software error.
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Big bad boy, Google...
Let the fanatic google doomsayers begin.
be warned...to follow this comment will be over reaction comments of google is an evil overlord, they are taking over the world, and they are stealing your babies to search index them..
so quick jump on the "I hate google TOO!" bandwagon with the others.
Beautiful.
Let the fanatic google doomsayers begin.be warned...to follow this comment will be over reaction comments of google is an evil overlord, they are taking over the world, and they are stealing your babies to search index them..so quick jump on the "I hate google TOO!" bandwagon with the others.
Or... we could jump on the Defend Google at all costs bandwagon. Then preempt the Google haters by telling them that if the hate Google, they must be nuts. That'll Work!
Or... we could jump on the Defend Google at all costs bandwagon. Then preempt the Google haters by telling them that if the hate Google, they must be nuts. That'll Work!
or we can jump on the "belittle those that belittle the over the top naysayers, all crying google is bringing the 2012 destruction of the world" bandwagon.
Hi pot, I'm kettle, lets have lunch..we have much on common.
and im not defending them..its a lawyer, hes going to find whatever needle in a haystack he can to gain facetime and profit.
"google tried to patent something that vaguely has to do with the google car, and what it gathers..so it MUST mean the wifi snooping was a lie"
sure find in that patent where it says that it has anything to do with the wifi itself, and Ill agree with him.
otherwise its like saying "the man that discovered and patented AC voltage later accidentally shocked an employee during a test..so of COURSE thats why he made it..to try to kill that man in a long drawn out plot against him"
This is retarded. What is google going to do with 2 seconds of network traffic collected as they pass by houses that have open networks in their Google Street View cars?
I'm just going to the point where I state that every post before me is stupid and they are all wrong even if they agree with me while pushing my own very flawed argument using ignorant circular logic that I will be too stubborn to change.
I am also going to get Godwin's law out of the way and mention the Nazis.
After this I will proceed to thumb down everyone else's post to make mine look better.
Here goes:
Google are becoming the Nazis of the internet and will take over the world using your personal data and set up death camps for bing and yahoo users.
I wouldn't call non-secured wi-fi "private" ...
I wouldn't call non-secured wi-fi "private" ...
Not that I'm sticking up for google, but people need to learn how to set up security on their routers.
While it's good that things are being investigated I'm inclined to believe it's far more likely the government wants their own hands on the data and/or Google's money than any real concern for personal liberties.
After all siphoning data from open networks is hardly a big deal, all of us can do that at will.
just imagine if apple did this. i love how people defend their "fans" for stealing traffic. stolen traffic is stolen traffic. please do NOT ask "what are they going to do with 2 seconds of stolen data?"
just imagine if apple did this. i love how people defend their "fans" for stealing traffic. stolen traffic is stolen traffic. please do NOT ask "what are they going to do with 2 seconds of stolen data?"
now if they was war hacking..blame/fine the crap out of them.
going around doing what anyone with a wifi phone can do (and usually do by accident when its on) by listing who has wifi near them while its on...how is this a crime?
if thats the case 90% of the people in an apt building are guilty to..as each time they boot up, they can see the other peoples signals they are beaming to the world.
now if they was war hacking..blame/fine the crap out of them.going around doing what anyone with a wifi phone can do (and usually do by accident when its on) by listing who has wifi near them while its on...how is this a crime? if thats the case 90% of the people in an apt building are guilty to..as each time they boot up, they can see the other peoples signals they are beaming to the world.
dude, google "collected" "3 years" of "data" because of a "software error"? my ass.
if you're not pissed because of this then you're just another pawn.
Let the fanatic google doomsayers begin.be warned...to follow this comment will be over reaction comments of google is an evil overlord, they are taking over the world, and they are stealing your babies to search index them..so quick jump on the "I hate google TOO!" bandwagon with the others.
I for one welcome our new Google overlords...
I wouldn't call non-secured wi-fi "private" ...
Just because it's not secure it doesn't make it right. If I leave my door open and while I'm gone some one steals all my stuff out of the house, it's still illegal. I'm idiotic for leaving the door open, but that doesn't make what the other person did legal, or in any sense of the meaning, right to have done so.
dude, google "collected" "3 years" of "data" because of a "software error"? my ass.if you're not pissed because of this then you're just another pawn.
no..not pissed.
error or not. I'm not worried about.
they could come out and say "we was collecting data on unsecured open wifi, proud of it, and will continue"..no big deal to me.
I managed to spend the 20 seconds it takes to add a security key to my router when I got it.
and if I didnt and forgot, and it was listed on google maps as "FREE WIFI" I would only blame myself for being dumb enough to leave it open to any random person within range to connect to.
so everyone is saying its googles fault that "ma and pa jones" got a wireless router without knowing how to set it up, what it really does...or that it sends signals farther than their front porch?
someone gets shot, they don't blame smith and wesson for making the gun..they blame the person that didn't know how to use it and bought it.(and rightly so)
but here..its someone else's fault other than the owner that didn't know how to use it when they bought it..
Just because it's not secure it doesn't make it right. If I leave my door open and while I'm gone some one steals all my stuff out of the house, it's still illegal. I'm idiotic for leaving the door open, but that doesn't make what the other person did legal, or in any sense of the meaning, right to have done so.
not a good comparision...google is looking in your door going "wow nice TV, and walking off" and people are pissed that they looked thru the open door.
I'm more concerned about why the governments are wanting to see it (rather than ordering that it be destroyed immediately). Google doesn't care what you do online as long as they can market ads to you... governments, on the other hand, sometimes do care what you do online.
not a good comparision...google is looking in your door going "wow nice TV, and walking off" and people are pissed that they looked thru the open door.
Maybe, but accessing a non secure network is still the equivalent to trespassing. I don't want people walking up to my house and peering into my door or window.
Google is the devil!!
Maybe, but accessing a non secure network is still the equivalent to trespassing. I don't want people walking up to my house and peering into my door or window.
how so? its more like sunbathing nude in your front yard at the edge of the road without a privacy fence, and yelling at people "stop staring at me, its an invasion of privacy!". then getting upset you found pics of you doing it on a forum somewhere..
better comparison, leaving your garage open, and people driving by noticing you have a set of golf clubs..then wondering why everyone that lives near you knows you play golf.
Google might have had an idea to link in public hot-spots to GoogleMaps and StreetView sometime in the future and ended up catching a lot of non-secure private rigs as well.
Maybe, but accessing a non secure network is still the equivalent to trespassing. I don't want people walking up to my house and peering into my door or window.
or even better yet...how is it trespassing by me driving by and seeing that TV thru the door you left wide open?
Google might have had an idea to link in public hot-spots to GoogleMaps and StreetView sometime in the future and ended up catching a lot of non-secure private rigs as well.
that's what they keep telling people all along..but no one believes them.
fantasy is more compelling than reality to some. you cant cause a stink if you have nothing to fan the stench off of.
tell the truth they call you a liar, tell a lie, they say its a coverup.
"User locations are determined by intercepting data" - yes, by intercepting data your clients BROADCAST over the AIR without encryption. It's like complaining that somebody "eavesdropped" on a conversation you've conducted with the neighbor across the street by yelling into megaphones.
or we can jump on the "belittle those that belittle the over the top naysayers
Isn't that what you're doing now? Talk about pot - kettle. Good lord you're blind to your own hypocrisy.
I for one welcome our new Google overlords...
At least that's a comment I can respect.
not a good comparision...google is looking in your door going "wow nice TV, and walking off" and people are pissed that they looked thru the open door.
Actually in the USA if there is a show on the TV it is a public performance broadcast and the RIAA/MPAA require separate license fees for that. With WiFi, access points are always broadcasting. I'm surprised that nobody has sued their neighbors due to cancer caused by exposure to RF transmissions (and juries don't base their decisions on physics, biology, or common sense either).
STFU you two dipshits...
Isn't that what you're doing now? Talk about pot - kettle. Good lord you're blind to your own hypocrisy.
never said I wasn't hypocritical, or biased in my own opinions.
I admit I'm vain, egotistical, and cynical.