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Mozilla Responds: Market Share? What Market Share?

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Mozilla has been hammered lately with reports that Chrome may soon overtake it in market share.

StatCounter data suggests that Chrome may be catching up with Mozilla in November, while it may have to surrender its number 2 spot on weekends within three weeks. Net Applications has a more conservative data set that indicates that, if there is no major change in browser trends, Chrome could exceed Firefox market share by May or June 2012.

StatCounter has more comprehensive and consistent data than NetApplications and we tend to go with assumptions that, by the end of the year, the browser battle will have turned into a two-horse race. Mozilla appears to be acknowledging this scenario as it has sent a statement commenting on browser market share data to us. The statement reads:

Firefox demonstrated just how important browsers are but it's important to remember that the reasons for building Web browsers are significantly different from one company to the next. Mozilla is unique in that we build Firefox to provide a truly independent offering, focused solely on individual experience and the overall good of the Web. Firefox is holding it's [sic] own in the face of increased competition, with 450 million users worldwide choosing a web browser that answers only to them.

It is an interesting response that completely ignores the market share loss and somewhat confirms that Mozilla is expecting to lose its number 2 spot as well. In the big picture, this is a significant event as two browsers representing two very different goals and software platforms will be competing for your attention. Chrome has been gaining market share at a pace that is comparable to IE's gains against Netscape in the mid-1990s and both Firefox and IE are bleeding market share with no cure in sight. However, we should remember how important Firefox has been to change the browser landscape in 2004 and how it has kept Microsoft on its toes. In fact, there is quite a bit of innovation in Firefox today that is being adopted by Google in Chrome much faster due to Google's vastly greater resources. For example, ideas such as URL shortening as well as the upcoming Joystick API have their origins at Mozilla and are unfairly attributed to Google.

If Mozilla says it is holding its own, it is important to note that it does so with a fraction of the resources of its rivals. Mozilla lost its focus last year when it overslept the browser platform trend and wasted time developing Firefox 4, but it is finding its way back with the adoption of a rapid release process, silent updates, memory enhancement, performance enhancements and the promise of its own platform. As stunning as the rise of Chrome is, it's critical to remember that it will take an independent browser like Firefox to keep the pace of innovation alive and limit corporate interest to an acceptable level.

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joshybo7 10/05/2011 10:15 PM
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"As stunning as the rise of Chrome is, it's critical to remember that it will take an independent browser like Firefox to keep the pace of innovation alive and limit corporate interest to an acceptable level."

an important consideration. it is kind of on par with a "mom-and-pop" store competing somewhat successfully against wal-mart, which needs to stay alive especially in today's corporate-centric environment.

otacon72 10/05/2011 10:19 PM
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My if FF didn't crash all the time from Flash......STILL....and didn't suck up half a gig of memory with 3 tabs open I might use it.

dfusco 10/05/2011 10:27 PM
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zebassist230 10/05/2011 10:42 PM
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dfusco :
Google chrome is for your Wall Street banker types.Firefox is preferred by the people protesting them.



What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Marco925 10/05/2011 10:57 PM
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dfusco :
Google chrome is for your Wall Street banker types.Firefox is preferred by the people protesting them.



I'm a wall street trader that uses firefox! Wow, i didnt know i was even possible!

Anonymous 10/05/2011 11:04 PM
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Chrome's market share is being inflated because it's include with Adobe Flash downloads. Market share has never been an indication of anything other than strictly how many people use the browser. Internet Explorer being the top is proof of this, Chrome being second will be further proof.

Device Unknown 10/05/2011 11:06 PM
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otacon72 :
My if FF didn't crash all the time from Flash......STILL....and didn't suck up half a gig of memory with 3 tabs open I might use it.



User error. I have NEVER had any version of FF crash on flash (that i ever remember)
Suck up Half your memory? You sure you are using Firefox web browser? or you just using 1 Gig of ram in your PC?

Get off the bandwagon and learn for yourself.

retrig 10/05/2011 11:06 PM
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paradigital 10/05/2011 11:13 PM
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At least SPDY will become more commonplace.

RazberyBandit 10/05/2011 11:17 PM
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Chrome's rise could be attributed to Google's advertising and seemingly non-stop wallet stuffing of software companies around the world to include Chrome during their software's installation process. Software programs used to typically include an optional Google or Yahoo toolbar. Now, Google's strongly pushing Chrome instead of just a toolbar and it's paying other companies (well) to include it with their software. Mozilla simply can't compete with Google's much deeper pockets when it comes to advertising. Mozilla's advertising for Firefox is miniscule...to the extent I'd be willing to wager many younger, uninformed, and new PC users don't even know Firefox exists.

As for octagon72's claims, I'm on a 2-year old Vista-64 Machine using Firefox 3.6.23. Presently, I have 10 tabs open and Task Manager reports Firefox is using 160MB of memory, with its plug-in containers (2) using another 140MB. (I'm watching Netflix and one site is flash-based.) Mind you, version 3.6.23 doesn't have anywhere NEAR the memory usage optimizations versions 7 and above have. So much for your 'half a gig with 3 tabs open' claim. The only memory issue Firefox still has is its very slow rate of releasing memory it uses.

otacon72 10/05/2011 11:21 PM
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cyprod 10/05/2011 11:35 PM
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retrig :
Rambling assumes that it was long winded. It was actually short and there was nothing "incoherent" about it. The only rambling incoherence was your own post.


It was a quote from billy madison....

jryan388 10/05/2011 11:36 PM
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How many people still don't know the difference between "its" and "it's"

joshybo7 10/05/2011 11:39 PM
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jryan388 :
How many people still don't know the difference between "its" and "it's"



its a mystery :>

joshybo7 10/05/2011 11:41 PM
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oh and just prior to getting called an idiot by several posters, that was sarcasm.

Camikazi 10/05/2011 11:57 PM
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otacon72 :
Suck up half a gig of memory....read before sounding like an idiot. Let's see...I have Facebook, THG and CNN open in FF...406MB of RAM plus 15meg for plug-in container. Same 3 tabs in IE9...201MB. You've never had FF crash from Flash?..You sure you are using Firefox web browser?


Never had FF crash from Flash here either, always wondered what other people are doing when this happens, as for RAM, I have 15 tabs open 3 using Flash and FF is using 500MB of RAM, with container using 30MB, not bad and again I wonder what you are doing that is causing these problems cause I have yet to see them.

HMRkingpin 10/06/2011 12:07 PM
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Camikazi :
Never had FF crash from Flash here either, always wondered what other people are doing when this happens, as for RAM, I have 15 tabs open 3 using Flash and FF is using 500MB of RAM, with container using 30MB, not bad and again I wonder what you are doing that is causing these problems cause I have yet to see them.



Ram is cheap. Get some more if loosing a half gig is worth crying about.

southernshark 10/06/2011 12:47 PM
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Ill be sticking with firefox. I've never had a problem with it crashing, and with all the ram I have, I don't care about it using a gig. Gig is the new Meg.

arrghushakaboorga 10/06/2011 1:00 AM
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joshybo7 :
its a mystery :>



I see what you did there. Its funny.

(I did it too)

greatsaltedone 10/06/2011 1:01 AM
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I have tried chrome and was impressed with the speed but really didn't like the amount of caching that it does.

IMO the only thing that chrome has over FF is it's opening screen. everything else just feels like tricks and gimmicks.

Thunderfox 10/06/2011 1:01 AM
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The problem isn't just how much memory it uses, it's the fact it doesn't seem to do a good job of managing it even for its own purposes. FF has traditionally kept huge amounts of stuff cached in memory, and then still had to resort to the disc cache when it wanted to store more. This can result in huge pauses for disc swapping even when you only have a few tabs open, because everything you've done in your browsing session is still in memory. How much of this is design and how much is memory leaks, I don't know.

FF7 finally does seem to have made some improvement, but how much I don't know yet as I haven't really stressed it yet.

Flash crashes aren't straightforward crashes, they are some sort of race condition where FF takes up your whole CPU and becomes unresponsive because it is trying to process something Flash related, forcing you to kill the program. I know that in at least on case that I could reproduce repeatedly, the Flashblock addon was the cause of this, as it did not happen with it disabled, so that may account for the discrepancy in user experience with regard to flash - some people are blocking it, some aren't.

Anonymous 10/06/2011 1:11 AM
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Only thing the statistics show is the number of people using noscript is going up. I use firefox since it came out, but with noscript, I doubt my browsing is counted by the watchers. If you do not run their script, are you actually counted?

lordstormdragon 10/06/2011 1:18 AM
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Thunderfox :
The problem isn't just how much memory it uses, it's the fact it doesn't seem to do a good job of managing it even for its own purposes. FF has traditionally kept huge amounts of stuff cached in memory, and then still had to resort to the disc cache when it wanted to store more. This can result in huge pauses for disc swapping even when you only have a few tabs open, because everything you've done in your browsing session is still in memory. How much of this is design and how much is memory leaks, I don't know. FF7 finally does seem to have made some improvement, but how much I don't know yet as I haven't really stressed it yet. Flash crashes aren't straightforward crashes, they are some sort of race condition where FF takes up your whole CPU and becomes unresponsive because it is trying to process something Flash related, forcing you to kill the program. I know that in at least on case that I could reproduce repeatedly, the Flashblock addon was the cause of this, as it did not happen with it disabled, so that may account for the discrepancy in user experience with regard to flash - some people are blocking it, some aren't.



Use MemoryFox then. A quick Google search should have yielded this information for you. If you want to control your memory in Firefox, use the tool developed to do just that.

I too had issues with Firefox's memory use, not how much it uses (in CG, 500MB is a speck of RAM) but that it didn't release RAM as efficiently as CometBird. Problem solved, with MemoryFox.

slicedtoad 10/06/2011 1:39 AM
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there's nothing wrong with ff, i just like chrome better.

Azn Cracker 10/06/2011 1:54 AM
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I use firefox, but it keeps on crashing...

xerroz 10/06/2011 1:55 AM
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Chrome is only getting bigger because google pays 99.9% of software companies to have chrome in their installers. Most people just click "next next next" so chrome is always installed but dont actually use it. They use a real browser, they use Firefox. Besides, who would want another way for google to steal your private information anyway, Google is enough, Google and Google+ is a bit much for some, why add more ways for google to make a profit off of you so they can monopolize the market?

dfusco 10/06/2011 2:30 AM
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zebassist230 :
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.



LOL! Dude please ask your physician about upping your meds.

Noworldorder 10/06/2011 2:53 AM
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chrome will never control me

drapacioli 10/06/2011 4:02 AM
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Everybody here is aware this is USAGE statistics and not DOWNLOAD statistics, right? It doesn't matter if all are on your computer, you will be logged on a web page based on which browser you are using.

CaedenV 10/06/2011 5:18 AM
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Camikazi :
Never had FF crash from Flash here either, always wondered what other people are doing when this happens, as for RAM, I have 15 tabs open 3 using Flash and FF is using 500MB of RAM, with container using 30MB, not bad and again I wonder what you are doing that is causing these problems cause I have yet to see them.


I had this problem for quite a while. Turned out that I was running a bad install of flash. Reinstalling it fixed the problem. Had a similar problem with Java, downloaded the newer 64bit version and fixed!
All the same, I switched to Chrome before I figured out how to fix it, and I am hooked. FF may be more innovative and come up with the good ideas, but chrome knows how to get it done faster and better. (Though FF7 and IE10 are looking mighty tempting right about now)

Cant wait for FFX, it was my favorite story of any game :)

eddieroolz 10/06/2011 5:31 AM
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So after years of trying to get any market share it can through all possible means, it now pretends it was never important. Haha.