yes, they're gonna integrate natal into the 360 and sell it for $50 more even though the consumer doesn't need it. Oh, but to buy it seperate, you have to pay an additional $150. i still can't believe their 120 gb is close to 1$/gb... ssd's are gonna get cheaper faster than that garbage

Don't forget, it's going to come equipped with the newer, updated e84 error.

Wholeheartedly agree.

It would put them in direct competition with the Wii which will be at the same pricepoint (since an arcade is @ $200, add $50-$80 and you're at $270 with the Wii but with added HD capabilities). I'd wager you'll see a price-drop on the Wii when this happens or is close to happening. Very very smart on Microsoft's behalf.

I truly commended Sony for adapting to industry standards (2.5HDD, USB, SD/CF/Sony memory, Bluetooth headset support, etc) as it saves the consumer money but of course compromises the additional cash they usually get from making the peripherals themselves. Unfortunately, Sony did a lot of other things wrong (or that it could have done better) which is why where they are now in the console market. I can't believe MS is still selling HDDs at $100+ for such minuscule configurations, but hey, they seem to make money off of them so why would they stop.

Hey maybe this time the 2 lenses in the Natal camera will light up red and form a smiley face with 2 red lights on the 360.
(I'm kidding of course, don't take it seriously)

I'd like to see how the ATI X1950 is going to fare in new games 5 years from now

The same way the pitiful graphics chip in the original xbox fared 3 years ago... not well compared to computers. That's the whole argument for PC gaming...

Look at the bright side: if you dont't get a bigger monitor, in 5 years your current high-end graphic card will still be high-end, because no one will make a game with uber graphics that run only on PCs.

Xbox should stick with a 5 year lifecycle. The 360 is already outdated.

Honestly I want new hardware immediately. I get super irritated when playing games like GTA3 with it's 20FPS garbage framerate. I want a faster system. The 360 isn't powerful enough anymore. Heck I'd pay $700 for a system than ran every game I have at 120FPS. I HATE LOW FRAMERATES!

We will have 2160p at 120 or 240fps, that's when we'll see the next xbox.

The 360 is already outdated!

current xbox 360 is seriously underpowered..

The 360 is not outdated because most game developers would rather make console games then PC games.

Doesn't matter how much more powerful a PC is when game developers are focused on easy-money and less pirating (aka Console games)

lmfao gta 3 at 20fps?
GTA IV BOTTOMS AT LIKE 8!! and for some reason, console gamers consider that 'buttery smooth'..i remember when they reviewd gta iv and said 'it never slows down or lags'....BULLLLSHITTTT, i've seen it in action, its a disaster, it maxes at like 30fps, and avg's around 25.

The economy does not permit the release of a new console. Simple as that.

hey look at it this way. if MS cant make money off selling you consoles and games, they can make money allowing the government to spy on you using the built in camera and mic.. the more integrated your life gets the easier it is for the man to keep tabs on you..

Someones gonna release a new console before the 360's "lifecycle" is up. Then microsoft will be pissing themselves, seeing how much the technology has improved since the 360's release date

MS will release a console, before the 360 life cycle ends. They are not stupid nor is Sony. This 10 year crap is just smoke and mirrors.

The 10 year life cycle doesn't mean that ONLY after those 10 years pass they will release something new. Look at the PS2 ... it's in the 9th year i believe and the PS3 was launched .. 3 years ago. So MS actually said nothing. Expect a new xbox around 2011 or 2012

Lol, hey nutcase, the government is spying on you right! better get off the interwebs lulz!!!!

Like who? Sony? Nope they still are losing money from the PS3, Nintendo? lol not until they find another fancy gimmick to use to sell a horrible underpowered console.

Well Asus, or Acer is said to be entering the market soon. Sony could do a refresh just to pull ahead of microsoft in 2-3 years. And don't forget that microsoft is losing money on the 360 that same as sony

but xbox has the bigest game avg per user atm with 9ish gamrs i think. (other then ps2 witch im sure is more)

Well, you pulled those facts out of your tailpipe. But even if they did sell it integrated and seperate... so what? As long as they still sell less expensive 360 models (without Natal) for those who don't care about Natal, and as long as the Natal upgrade is reasonably priced for existing 360 owners... what does it matter? They would be doing new potential buyers who want Natal a favor, without hurting anyone else. Whether or not they sell a 360 with Natal integrated, existing users still have to buy Natal seperately. That is, if they want to. MS isn't forcing anything here, and they're not forcing developers to work exclusively on Natal games.

That means we probably won't see quite as much of the make-it-motion-controlled-even-if-controller-is-strictly-better-for-this-task games like we see so much of on the Wii.

MS and sony are both stupid

both are claiming there systems this cycle wil last 10+ years


I just don't see this happening , not when PC hardware is on the verge of a ray tracing break through ( with in the next 2-3 years) that would put Pc graphics "light" years ahead of these consoles (and yes that pun was intented) ther is just no way either of these consoles could be made to ahndle ray tracing at any level , so when the PC hardwaer can , you will see a massive developer swing to PC as developers want to get a start at working with ray tracing in their titles

umm yeah sure , what rock have you been living under for the alst 20 years ??? i hope this comment of yours is sarcasm if not it's one of teh dumbest comments i ever heard. PC developers are always tryign to push graphic tech here is jsut a simdgion of game titles that were "to much" for consoles when they relased

Doom: ther were NO 3d capable consoles when this released how ever there was a "faked" 3d version on the super nintendo that used nintendo's "fx" chip that was built into the game cart, the differneces between the super nintendo's doom and the pc doom were like night and day !

Mechwarrior 3-4:
there was no chance in hell that the old play station or N64 were gona run these games when they first released (however they ran fairly well on an average GAMING computer, but of note gaming computers in 97-99 wre a good shot above the avaerage computer at the time)

doom 3 : xbox had to run this at settign some where mixed between medium and high , pcs couldnt even run it at ultra highuntil ayear after it's relase


Half life 2 : xbox ran it some where between it's two highest settings (though pc tech was up to running it at full settings at the time)


Far cry : consoles ran it between medium and high settings , again like doom it was a year before pc tech could run it at full setting at a decent frame rate


Crysis: currently consoles can't do this game at max settings the game is almost 2 years old now and only the BEEFIEST PCs can run this full settings at resolutions past 1280x1024


that ws jsut a small sampleing of where pc gmaes have topped out well above console capabilites in the past , so again i hope your coment was indeed sarcasm , if so then just ignore this post and you gave me a good laugh there , but if it wasnt sarcasm then you relaly need to look back of pc developing history

If Microsoft did come out with a new Xbox, it would be great if Microsoft provided some way of upgrading the existing xbox with attachments etc.


There is really no need for a newer xbox, unless its cosmetic or features blueray etc.

It sucks when game producers start comming out with games to only work with the newer version. Those kind of games end up selling less copies.
Now if a newer xbox remained compatable with the existing xbox then that would be great as long as the games do.

I wonder why they don't quit... they barely makes any money with their game division.

Crytek made a game only for PC with uber graphics, which didn't sell as expected, so they made CryEngine 3, which is basically CryEngine 2 with added support for consoles. Plus they said that they will never release another PC only title. Most of your examples are games from the heyday of PC games, so yeah, the game developers made games wich pushed the hardware limits. But now, when even Crytek turned to consoles, most of the developers will do the same. So my point is valid.

There's no reason for a XBOX 360 replacement when it's outselling it's main rival - PS3. Only until its sales start to dip and the PS3 makes a major move will an XBOX 720 come out. The new XBOX 720 will more than likely have a Bluray player so M$ is really waiting this one out since they will have to concede to Bluray media. OR if digital fiber and data distribution becomes truly wide-spread when they are ready to get serious, any kind of game media (Bluray, DVD, cartridge) will be history.

The same can be said for Sony. They were touting a 10 year lifespan. Too bad the Cell processor is leaps and bounds beyond the GPU, yet the GPU is what actually is responsible for all of those wonderful polygons, textures, and colors on your screen. I don't buy into either companies' claims of lifespan with their consoles!

If launched, it will be a piece of sh** like the XBOX360 launched prematurely in 2005.

Understand:

1. The average "console" gamer can't tell the difference between 30fps and 120fps. (Most people should be able to find little difference at 120fps on PC on games like CSS,Doom,etc). More so, they can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080.

2. The average console gamer doesn't know what the current level of graphics are offered on a true gaming system because their PC runs on cr@ppy Integrated Graphics (GMA900 any one?).

3. Most of the console gamers (esp. the Wii crowd) like these random and pointless games. A game like "Cooking Mama: Cook Off" (I LOLed at that game, probably one of the stupidest games ever made) would NEVER sell on a PC while it sells on Wii just because there are kids/grand parents who enjoy things like that and developers are willing to cater to these people. Btw, it looks like that stupid game sold 4 mill copy's (see: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action [...] es;title;2 )

4. The profit margin for console is better than for a PC and thus many developers build games for console and then port to PC (Which results in cr@ppy ports like GTAIV and thus move some of the PC crowd to a console due to cost of upgrading to play a poorly ported game.

5. Most of the console gamers are stupid. These are the people who buy a midrange Dell,HP,etc with cr@ppy graphics and claim Console > PC.

Isn't that what they did when the PS3 came out? Shame about the price though.

Microsoft wouldn't announce it until Sometime around E3 the year they plan to release a new console because 360 sales would slow down losing them money. THEY ARE JUST PLAIN GREEDY.