Obama to Veto Legislation That Would Kill Net Neutrality
Obama wants to keep the internet open.
Officially joining the net neutrality debate after years of perceived dithering on the issue, President Obama has vowed to veto Senate Journal Resolution 6. That law, which petulantly states that "Congress disapproves the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to the matter of preserving the open Internet and broadband industry practices..." is a version of a similar bill passed by the Republican-controlled House earlier this year. Lacking a credible veto threat, if passed it would overturn the weak Net Neutrality regulations approved by the FCC in December 2010 and set to take effect November 20.
The regulations under dispute were the result of a years-long back and forth between regulators, Internet service providers and the US court system. The first official rules requiring ISPs to adhere to some form of net neutrality were put in place by then-FCC head Michael Powell in 2005. They went unenforced until 2008, when the FCC ordered Comcast to stop sabotaging BitTorrent transfers. Comcast challenged the order in courts, and in 2010 the US Court of appeals for the DC Circuit struck them down, arguing that the FCC had no power to enact such rules. Thus the FCC created new regulations, which are now being challenged by Verizon in US courts. That the Democratic-controlled Senate is joining with a Republican House to assist Verizon legislatively is sad proof of the degree to which our elected representatives have been captured by interests opposed to the common good.
Interestingly, the regulations are also being challenged by net neutralitysupporters. That's because, while they do enforce a kind of net neutrality for wired internet access, they impose few such rules on wireless services. Essentially, phone service providers cannot block alternate services like Skype from being used on their devices. Considering that wireless is quickly becoming the standard by which people access the Internet, the failure to impose net neutrality rules on providers has the appearance of a very blatant giveaway something akin to requiring strict emissions standards for passenger automobiles but exempting large SUVs. This rather massive laxity has led to charges from net neutrality supporters that the rules create a tiered Internet despite claims to the contrary, and that they all but approve of corporate censorship on wireless devices.
However this ultimately plays out, I for one would hope Obama vetos, Verizon loses their cases, and supporters of Net Neutrality win theirs.
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Just when I stopped believing in obama he does this
Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?
Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.
The internet drives everything, it has to remain open. The consequences of not having net neutrality is scary. And it is truly disheartening that our politicians would try to pass this type of legislation. +1 for Obama if he vetoes this crap.
Cable and phone companies are going to be doing everything they can in the next 10 years to slow the progress of internet comunication and entertainment down because if left to grow freely, comcast and the phone companies will be non existant, maybe even the cell phone companies.
Once people are given more chioces for internet service providers and more and more entertainment is available via internet, the cable and satelite companies will be dropped like a brick. The only thing holding people back now is that there is not much choice for isp. Once more and more people drop cable and opt for Netflix/Hulu on their Roku/PS3/Xbox, the ISPs are going to start cutting the max bandwidth to keep people from doing this. The companies are already sending millions of dollars to special interest lobbyists to convince congressmen and senators to change laws that where already in place to protect the consumers. Several years ago, there was a law requiring the cable companies to supply unencrypted HD signals of the local channels so that customers could get local channels in HD without the use of a box. About a year and a half ago, Lobyists convinced congress to change that law and allow comcast and others to encrypt all of their channels.
I guess even Obama can actually hit 1 in 1,000.
^ He's a politician....what do you expect? Sincerity?
Anyway, that's a good thing to hear.
This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.
How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.
Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
This time, it sounds like we will get to see his "opinion" before we vote for him the next time.
In my opinion, his opponents, at least those who are still in the race, would never even consider vetoing a bill like this.
Anyone want to setup a nationwide Darknet?
How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.
How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.
Well said.
In our local elections, I found it interesting that one candidate ran a smear campaign that was full of lies. It seems he did this to cover the fact that he was a newbie, and had no experience at all. Fortunately, the populous caught on and did not elect this sh*t throwing liar.
This strategy echos the strategy used by one party in the last national elections. Tell your primary supporters, in the case, the Tea Party, that you were in favor of what they favored, then immediately after being elected, tell your supporters that you have no intent of following through. Nice politicians in that party. They continuously tell lies because it is known that if you say something enough times even if it is a lie, people will believe it.
I think it is unfortunate that people will hear what they want to hear. Some politicians capitalize on this, and depend on their constituents anger to be the could that prevents those same constituents from verifying the truth in the politician's statements. Perhaps the only way that such people will see the light, since they fail to verify the facts themselves, is to vote in those who spout what they want to hear, and then once their candidate is in, realize that they brought a nightmare on themselves.
As long as we continue to put up with politicians spouting outright lies just to get elected (which seems similar to the crap we hear for many products on the market), the mess we are in will continue to be our responsibility.
Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argument
He took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problems
Here was the situation when Obama took office
1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day
2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)
3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit
4) Dow was in the 6000's
5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 2007
6) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point
7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running lose
So let's see where we stand today
1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we
2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't honky dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression
4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today.
5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that
6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home
7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.
LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.
Funny how this gets past democrats in the house and senate. Watch him veto this only for some changes and then sign it after the may elections. The change you can believe in is how often his opinion will change.
Obama wants to win the election.
There, I fixed it
This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.
You sound like a very articulate and intelligent person. Why don't you then elaborate on what he has done to damage this country?
Actually net neutrality has been dead... everything that made it really neutral and useful for citizens and consumers was snipped away by lobbyists for big telco companies. It's beyond weak on any rights as it is and has countless loopholes. Nothing but a "look I'm doing good so I am a good guy" legislature with no real cause.
Obama wants to win the election.There, I fixed it
What politician doesn't wnat to win an election? I've never understood that comment?
I for one am still pissed that the FCC thinks they can pull this crap. The net neutrality is broader line treason. I don't care one way or the other what is says, the FCC is not an elected body, therefore pulling this crap is grounds for treason. If congress took NN word for word and passed a lot of people who are pissed would not say a word, myself being one. Get congress to pass it and most of the opposition will go away. The general public that is.
This guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.
Prove it. I can prove the opposite
Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argument
He took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problems
Here was the situation when Obama took office
1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day
2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)
3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit
4) Dow was in the 6000's
5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 2007
6) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point
7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running lose
So let's see where we stand today
1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we
2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't honky dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression
4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today.
5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that
6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home
7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.
LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.
Oh and the healthcare, do you even know 1 provision of it, I bet you don't, if people actually took the time read it, they know for the people it's a good thing, I bet you don't knw the mandate was also a republican idea going back to the 90's as a counter to clintoncare.
Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
What has changed. He left it as a state issue? And quite a few states have made medicinal marijuana legal, including California, New JErsey, etc ... what and where did his position change on Marijauna, please enlighten us ... you people just like to talk out of your axx sometimes. Just say you don't like the man. That is fine, but the blatent lies from GOP followers borders on absurdity sometimes.
I for one am still pissed that the FCC thinks they can pull this crap. The net neutrality is broader line treason. I don't care one way or the other what is says, the FCC is not an elected body, therefore pulling this crap is grounds for treason. If congress took NN word for word and passed a lot of people who are pissed would not say a word, myself being one. Get congress to pass it and most of the opposition will go away. The general public that is.
Who gives a ...k whether it's elected or not, the question is does it come up with rules that are good for the country. This is the problem with some of todays voters and politicians, ideology has given way to pragmatism. There was a time when the GOP was pragmatic, you know REagan couldn't even exist in today's GOP, he'd be a democrat and considered liberal 2 things that REagan did that would not fly,
1) After cutting taxes drastically in 1981, David Stockman his budget manager who created the "Reaganomics" philosophy noted the deficit created by cutting taxes to drastically caused massive debt, you know what Reagan did, he never cut taxes again, and raised them 6 times notably on the people he cut them on, the wealthy, could you imagine a Republican trying to raise taxes today?
2) He gave amnesty to all illegals in 1985 , again after seeing the drastic tax cuts he had made in 1981 caused huge deficit, he figured, what was a good way to deal with immigration, get more income tax and stop spending money trying to stop it, so he gave amnesty to all illegal immigrants in the US! Can you imagine .... holy isht!!!! Obama just tried to pass Dream Act that said if you are an illegal who got a college degree why the f...k shouldn't you become a citizen, helps us out as a nation... Reagan actually gave all illegals amnesty. Imagine trying to pull this effort in pragmatic governing today!
Other words take your stupid ideologies somewhere else I want my government to pragmatic, practical, and effective, ideology be ...ing damned. Countries steeped in ideology and inability to adapt, ulitmately, find themselves irrelevant in changing global landscapes.
They will never limit bandwidth... That's a stupid assumption. They would lose their entire customer base. The consumer also has the power... if I don't like what my ISP is doing I'll cancel... even if i have to go without internet.
Cable and phone companies are going to be doing everything they can in the next 10 years to slow the progress of internet comunication and entertainment down because if left to grow freely, comcast and the phone companies will be non existant, maybe even the cell phone companies.Once people are given more chioces for internet service providers and more and more entertainment is available via internet, the cable and satelite companies will be dropped like a brick. The only thing holding people back now is that there is not much choice for isp. Once more and more people drop cable and opt for Netflix/Hulu on their Roku/PS3/Xbox, the ISPs are going to start cutting the max bandwidth to keep people from doing this. The companies are already sending millions of dollars to special interest lobbyists to convince congressmen and senators to change laws that where already in place to protect the consumers. Several years ago, there was a law requiring the cable companies to supply unencrypted HD signals of the local channels so that customers could get local channels in HD without the use of a box. About a year and a half ago, Lobyists convinced congress to change that law and allow comcast and others to encrypt all of their channels.
You spent way too much time writing all this... and he DID create a lot of the problems he has now... he made really poor bail out decisions... and no the republicans don't just "salivate" over every republican in office... If you haven't noticed, No one liked Bush... they didn't salivate over him... and everyone loves bill clinton... so GET over it... If a president does a good job, he gets credit for it... whether he is republican or democratic.
Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argumentHe took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problemsHere was the situation when Obama took office1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit4) Dow was in the 6000's5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 20076) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running loseSo let's see where we stand today1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't honky dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today. 5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.
They will never limit bandwidth... That's a stupid assumption. They would lose their entire customer base. The consumer also has the power... if I don't like what my ISP is doing I'll cancel... even if i have to go without internet.
Why wouldn't they. It's more lucrative to do so, the wireless guys went from unlimited to limited data. Why do you think the lan guys wouldn't do the same?
The Bush Administration's FCC gave away the Internet our tax dollars paid for to greedy Monopolies - without the permission of Congress. What Bush's FCC stole from the American People, Obama's FCC can take back for us:
PUT THE INTERNET BACK UNDER TITLE II WHERE IT BELONGS!
-The Internet was born under Net Neutrality and is nothing without it!
You spent way too much time writing all this... and he DID create a lot of the problems he has now... he made really poor bail out decisions... and no the republicans don't just "salivate" over every republican in office... If you haven't noticed, No one liked Bush... they didn't salivate over him... and everyone loves bill clinton... so GET over it... If a president does a good job, he gets credit for it... whether he is republican or democratic.
Not sure what bubble you live in, but Republicans still hate Clinton (they blame him for everything that went during the Bush era)...also, they only alienated Bush AFTER his term, when they wanted to show that they were different.
nice to know he would do somthing like this but the house will vote it down like everything else. not because they may be against it but they just want him out of office
Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for any democrat or republican again, and watch his opinion change.
Fixed.
Obama is going to win the election no matter what.
You honestly think Perry, Cain or Romney have any freaking clue how to be a President? They're all a bunch of seedy, corrupt, stupid, sexually-harassing, flip-flopping morons.
Those are the 3 frontrunners for the Republican Nomination and all three of them are a complete disgrace to the GoP party.
How in the hell did they get where they are in the first place? For all the grandstanding the GoP does on morality and grass-roots, they selected THOSE 3 guys to run the country?
Are you kidding me?
What's Herman Cain's favorite type of mint?
Sexual Harass-mint.
Yeah...Obama !!!! You red necks will never understand... keep following Bush and his entourage... Vote and worked for him last election, will do the same next year.... Keep net neutral...next step is to prohibit content producers to be bandwidth suppliers... and then we will be ok.