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Obama to Veto Legislation That Would Kill Net Neutrality

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Obama wants to keep the internet open.

Officially joining the net neutrality debate after years of perceived dithering on the issue, President Obama has vowed to veto Senate Journal Resolution 6. That law, which petulantly states that "Congress disapproves the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to the matter of preserving the open Internet and broadband industry practices..." is a version of a similar bill passed by the Republican-controlled House earlier this year. Lacking a credible veto threat, if passed it would overturn the weak Net Neutrality regulations approved by the FCC in December 2010 and set to take effect November 20.

The regulations under dispute were the result of a years-long back and forth between regulators, Internet service providers and the US court system. The first official rules requiring ISPs to adhere to some form of net neutrality were put in place by then-FCC head Michael Powell in 2005. They went unenforced until 2008, when the FCC ordered Comcast to stop sabotaging BitTorrent transfers. Comcast challenged the order in courts, and in 2010 the US Court of appeals for the DC Circuit struck them down, arguing that the FCC had no power to enact such rules. Thus the FCC created new regulations, which are now being challenged by Verizon in US courts. That the Democratic-controlled Senate is joining with a Republican House to assist Verizon legislatively is sad proof of the degree to which our elected representatives have been captured by interests opposed to the common good. 

Interestingly, the regulations are also being challenged by net neutralitysupporters. That's because, while they do enforce a kind of net neutrality for wired internet access, they impose few such rules on wireless services. Essentially, phone service providers cannot block alternate services like Skype from being used on their devices. Considering that wireless is quickly becoming the standard by which people access the Internet, the failure to impose net neutrality rules on providers has the appearance of a very blatant giveaway something akin to requiring strict emissions standards for passenger automobiles but exempting large SUVs. This rather massive laxity has led to charges from net neutrality supporters that the rules create a tiered Internet despite claims to the contrary, and that they all but approve of corporate censorship on wireless devices. 

However this ultimately plays out, I for one would hope Obama vetos, Verizon loses their cases, and supporters of Net Neutrality win theirs.

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    singemagique , November 10, 2011 12:20 PM
    The internet drives everything, it has to remain open. The consequences of not having net neutrality is scary. And it is truly disheartening that our politicians would try to pass this type of legislation. +1 for Obama if he vetoes this crap.
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    ddkshah , November 10, 2011 12:09 PM
    Just when I stopped believing in obama he does this :) 
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    singemagique , November 10, 2011 12:25 PM
    XatosThis guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.


    How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.
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    ddkshah , November 10, 2011 12:09 PM
    Just when I stopped believing in obama he does this :) 
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    enkichild , November 10, 2011 12:10 PM
    Obama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?

    Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.
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    singemagique , November 10, 2011 12:20 PM
    The internet drives everything, it has to remain open. The consequences of not having net neutrality is scary. And it is truly disheartening that our politicians would try to pass this type of legislation. +1 for Obama if he vetoes this crap.
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    chomlee , November 10, 2011 12:20 PM
    Cable and phone companies are going to be doing everything they can in the next 10 years to slow the progress of internet comunication and entertainment down because if left to grow freely, comcast and the phone companies will be non existant, maybe even the cell phone companies.

    Once people are given more chioces for internet service providers and more and more entertainment is available via internet, the cable and satelite companies will be dropped like a brick. The only thing holding people back now is that there is not much choice for isp. Once more and more people drop cable and opt for Netflix/Hulu on their Roku/PS3/Xbox, the ISPs are going to start cutting the max bandwidth to keep people from doing this. The companies are already sending millions of dollars to special interest lobbyists to convince congressmen and senators to change laws that where already in place to protect the consumers. Several years ago, there was a law requiring the cable companies to supply unencrypted HD signals of the local channels so that customers could get local channels in HD without the use of a box. About a year and a half ago, Lobyists convinced congress to change that law and allow comcast and others to encrypt all of their channels.
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    velocityg4 , November 10, 2011 12:23 PM
    I guess even Obama can actually hit 1 in 1,000.
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    Anonymous , November 10, 2011 12:24 PM
    ^ He's a politician....what do you expect? Sincerity?

    Anyway, that's a good thing to hear.
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    singemagique , November 10, 2011 12:25 PM
    XatosThis guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.


    How can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.
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    wiyosaya , November 10, 2011 12:27 PM
    enkichildObama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.

    This time, it sounds like we will get to see his "opinion" before we vote for him the next time.

    In my opinion, his opponents, at least those who are still in the race, would never even consider vetoing a bill like this.
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    igot1forya , November 10, 2011 12:30 PM
    Anyone want to setup a nationwide Darknet?
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    wiyosaya , November 10, 2011 12:44 PM
    singemagiqueHow can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.

    singemagiqueHow can we expect one man to make shit from shit. Saying he has done nothing but damage this country is quite myopic. Let's not forget about the Bush era tax cuts, the overstretched military, and the bursting housing bubble that all existed when Obama came into office. I for one would never wish that sort of job on anyone. In all honesty, we can't depend on one person to solve all of our problems. As a society we need to change the way we think and live if we really want to change the environment in which we live. Imagine how much money in medical costs we could save if everyone took responsibility for their bodies and exercised.

    Well said.

    In our local elections, I found it interesting that one candidate ran a smear campaign that was full of lies. It seems he did this to cover the fact that he was a newbie, and had no experience at all. Fortunately, the populous caught on and did not elect this sh*t throwing liar.

    This strategy echos the strategy used by one party in the last national elections. Tell your primary supporters, in the case, the Tea Party, that you were in favor of what they favored, then immediately after being elected, tell your supporters that you have no intent of following through. Nice politicians in that party. They continuously tell lies because it is known that if you say something enough times even if it is a lie, people will believe it.

    I think it is unfortunate that people will hear what they want to hear. Some politicians capitalize on this, and depend on their constituents anger to be the could that prevents those same constituents from verifying the truth in the politician's statements. Perhaps the only way that such people will see the light, since they fail to verify the facts themselves, is to vote in those who spout what they want to hear, and then once their candidate is in, realize that they brought a nightmare on themselves.

    As long as we continue to put up with politicians spouting outright lies just to get elected (which seems similar to the crap we hear for many products on the market), the mess we are in will continue to be our responsibility.
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    acadia11 , November 10, 2011 12:49 PM
    enkichildObama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.


    Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argument

    He took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problems

    Here was the situation when Obama took office

    1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day

    2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)

    3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit

    4) Dow was in the 6000's

    5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 2007

    6) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point

    7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running lose

    So let's see where we stand today

    1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we

    2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't honky dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression

    4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today.

    5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that

    6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home

    7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.
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    elbert , November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
    Funny how this gets past democrats in the house and senate. Watch him veto this only for some changes and then sign it after the may elections. The change you can believe in is how often his opinion will change.
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    TunaSoda , November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
    Obama wants to win the election.

    There, I fixed it
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    STravis , November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
    XatosThis guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.


    You sound like a very articulate and intelligent person. Why don't you then elaborate on what he has done to damage this country?
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    happyballz , November 10, 2011 12:51 PM
    Actually net neutrality has been dead... everything that made it really neutral and useful for citizens and consumers was snipped away by lobbyists for big telco companies. It's beyond weak on any rights as it is and has countless loopholes. Nothing but a "look I'm doing good so I am a good guy" legislature with no real cause.
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    acadia11 , November 10, 2011 12:56 PM
    TunaSodaObama wants to win the election.There, I fixed it



    What politician doesn't wnat to win an election? I've never understood that comment?
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    acadia11 , November 10, 2011 1:05 PM
    XatosThis guy has done nothing but damage to this country, so it sure seems a little odd that he'd take a decent position on something right before election.


    Prove it. I can prove the opposite

    enkichildObama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.


    Obama by objective measures has been a good president, if he were a "white" republican the truth is the country would be salivating over him. Here are the facts of my argument

    He took over a government in January 21, 2009 with the following problems

    Here was the situation when Obama took office

    1) Losing 750,000 jobs a day

    2) 8.1% employment, which had risen since end 2006 from 4.9% to February 2009 8.1% (Republcian talking point Obama said stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, we know this is not true for 2 reasons a) he never made that claim nor did his administration b) it was already over 8% when he actually took office)

    3) $1.2 Trillion dollar budget deficit, while people like to say it's Obama's debt, that's incorrect , the 2009 budget year is actually set in 2008 by the previous Administration, so we already $1.2 trillion deficit

    4) Dow was in the 6000's

    5) In the mist of the worst recession since 30's, a 6% reduction in GDP, 3x's larger than Reagan's recession, had been in full swing since June 2007

    6) Iraq and Afghan wars raging, draining Budget, not as much as the Bush tax cuts, which by that point were approaching the $3.5 trillion dollars in cost, the wars had cost about $1 trillion at that point

    7) Al Queda crippled but Osama still running lose

    So let's see where we stand today

    1) We've added jobs 20 of the last 24 months, sure we need to add more jobs but we aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month now are we

    2) Did the stimulus work, you bet your .... ing axx it did, we ended the recession by September 2009, meaning it was the first quarter of US Growth in more than 2 years, unemployment still climbed, but think about this a 6% reduction and unemployment would only climb anoter 2% points peaking in 2010 at 10.2%, by estimates we need to infuse the economy with about $2.5 trillion, we only did $1 trillion, but unemployment still never rose as high as Reagan's 10.8% , and REagan had a much smaller recession, and today we are about 9%, so yeah it isn't honky dorry, but we are way better than where we were and we avoided a depression

    4) Dow up more than 5000+ points today.

    5) Obama couldn't stimulate , and cut taxes and still reduce the deficit, it's impossible,even with the GOP refusing to give revenues, Obama did not increase the deficit, which stands at $1.25 trillion for this years budget, so he didn't add significant debt to the US although not being able to reduce, and mind you Obama still gave the largest tax cut in US history, many people don't know that

    6) We are out of Iraq, we have reduced forces in Afghanistan the troops will eventually come home

    7) probably the most daring decision in recent history, the raid into Pakistan , that got Osama, ballsy, Patreus citing it as the greatest decision he's seen a president make, and to boot Obama knocked out Al-wahari , and Ghadaffi (Ghadaffi didn't cost us a single US life) and the new Libyan government has already paid us back the $1 billion it cost us to be involved in the NATO campaign, think aobu this one, $1 billion is exactly .00027% or what we spent in a little more than ~2 days in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    LIke I said Obama by all objective measures has been impressive, not perfect, but impressive, if the GOP got out of the way and let him operate the way he can as comander and chief , the economy would be doing that much better.

    Oh and the healthcare, do you even know 1 provision of it, I bet you don't, if people actually took the time read it, they know for the people it's a good thing, I bet you don't knw the mandate was also a republican idea going back to the 90's as a counter to clintoncare.
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    acadia11 , November 10, 2011 1:07 PM
    enkichildObama did this before. Remember his view on marijuana before he was elected into office? Remember how it then suddenly changed?Go ahead, vote for Obama again, and watch his opinion change.


    What has changed. He left it as a state issue? And quite a few states have made medicinal marijuana legal, including California, New JErsey, etc ... what and where did his position change on Marijauna, please enlighten us ... you people just like to talk out of your axx sometimes. Just say you don't like the man. That is fine, but the blatent lies from GOP followers borders on absurdity sometimes.
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