Anti-IE6 Petition Submitted to UK Government
A petition has been submitted to the UK government requesting it's continued endorsement of Internet Explorer 6 be brought to an end.
A petition launched on the official Website for the Prime Minister's Office claims that companies still using Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6 continue to do so because government departments use it and they won't be able to see their sites or services without it.
So far signed by more than 5,000 people, the petition goes on to say that creative and software companies with government clients are forced to build websites for IE6 when most of the industry has moved on.
While conceding that upgrading would be "a massive task for the government," author Dan Frydman points out that IE6 has some serious security flaws that leave users vulnerable. Frydman calls for the Prime Minister to encourage government departments to upgrade away from IE6 and let the population know that an upgrade will keep them safer online.
Frydman, who also serves as managing director of Inigo Media, an Edinburgh-based web design firm, believes that if the UK take this step, the rest of Europe will follow, which will "create some pressure on the US to do so too."
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Its more than just the government... I have worked 3 different co-op terms in the past 2 years and all 3 of them had and forced you to use IE 6.
Microsoft needs to just force an update instead of using lame petitions
How are they supposed to run a country if they can't even change a web browser? Downloading and installing firefox or chrome takes no more than 2 minutes!
Its more than just the government... I have worked 3 different co-op terms in the past 2 years and all 3 of them had and forced you to use IE 6. Microsoft needs to just force an update instead of using lame petitions
Even if you force an update doesn't mean it will be installed due to how some things are set up.
Even Microsoft wants people who use IE6/7 to upgrade (though you don't need to use it)
How are they supposed to run a country if they can't even change a web browser? Downloading and installing firefox or chrome takes no more than 2 minutes!
It is not just the government. We are having pushback to deprecating IE6 support for our products. In fact, we have an insistance the other day that we support Firefox 2.x. I'm expecting someone to step forward with NetScape 1.0 any day now!
What am I missing here? Is there some sort of major problem for the government and corporate arena?
What am I missing here? Is there some sort of major problem for the government and corporate arena?
Yes. If the end user will not update their browser, you cannot deprecate support for the version. IE6 seems to be unusually tenacious in the respect.
They should be AT LEAST on IE7 by now, srsly
I'm all for killing IE6
I don't care if you go to IE8, FF, or whatever. Just don't use IE6!
I happen to work for the biggest department in Canada, and let me tell you, we want IE6 dead... the huge problem is our lame almost-reaching-retirement web dev taskforce. The intranet/internet is specifically coded for IE6, and has so many bugs with IE7/IE8 it's not even funny.
No one wants to take on the insane task of changing such a massive amount of high profile websites that are used every minute of the day by thousands of canadian citizens. And let me tell you, when it comes to the possibility of interrupting or possibly creating problems for the canadian public, it's worst than walking on eggshells; it's about one of the few things you could lose your permanent position over if it hits the medias or get screwed up just a BIT.
It's so bad, some people need VMs/extra computers with IE7/IE8 installed to access other websites of different formats. Sadly, it's a 100% pure Microsoft department, and using Firefox/Chrome/whatever else is taboo.
Conservatives FTL
How are they supposed to run a country if they can't even change a web browser? Downloading and installing firefox or chrome takes no more than 2 minutes!
Governments wont use chrome or firefox, and FF is just too bloated and unstable for use
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... PR trick to boost IE8 market share...
I'm a web developer and I have no problem supporting IE6 (now down to still respectable 20% market share). And no, it doesn't take a lot of work to support IE6 in addition to every other major broser, just a little experience and knowledge. I'm sick of all the whining, if users don't want to bother with upgrading their browsers then that's their business.
I'm a web developer and I have no problem supporting IE6 (now down to still respectable 20% market share). And no, it doesn't take a lot of work to support IE6 in addition to every other major broser, just a little experience and knowledge. I'm sick of all the whining, if users don't want to bother with upgrading their browsers then that's their business.
killerclick, you must be building some nice tables based pages.. heh you cant be any sort of serious web developer and say that, I bet your are a web designer ...
killerclick are you kidding me? CSS barely works with IE6, god for bid if you ever needed to position a div or apply advanced styling too! Plus no default transparent png support, yes i know there are "workarounds" but give me a break...
killerclick are you kidding me? CSS barely works with IE6, god for bid if you ever needed to position a div or apply advanced styling too! Plus no default transparent png support, yes i know there are "workarounds" but give me a break...
killerclick, you must be building some nice tables based pages.. heh you cant be any sort of serious web developer and say that, I bet your are a web designer ...
Nope, I'm just a professional unlike those who whine how IE6 is stifling their creativity and who think they shouldn't put in a little extra work just because users can upgrade from IE6 for free. I have hired and fired such people before, I guess they end up organizing petitions.
Nope, I'm just a professional unlike those who whine how IE6 is stifling their creativity and who think they shouldn't put in a little extra work just because users can upgrade from IE6 for free. I have hired and fired such people before, I guess they end up organizing petitions.
LOL, who cares about you? I dont know you and I already dont like you, thus I wouldnt hire you!
There's many kinds of sites, I develop web apps, the kind that you actually use developing skills and not use others work (jquery, wordpress etc)
so STFU and respect those who write your silly IE6 compat lines, I would bet a little fortune that you dont write any code other then
killerclick are you kidding me? CSS barely works with IE6, god for bid if you ever needed to position a div or apply advanced styling too! Plus no default transparent png support, yes i know there are "workarounds" but give me a break...
Yes, there are "workarounds" as opposed to organizing sit-ins in front of the British Parliament.
Just have an extra CSS file for IE6 and some extra 8bit PNGs to preserve functionality. Is that hard? Want me to point you to some beginners' tutorials?
so STFU and respect those who write your silly IE6 compat lines
Keep whining, signing petitions and wearing anti-IE6 shirts if that's the best you can do. Maybe you can add a little Get Firefox button to your website if it'll make you feel better. Leave the web development business to professionals.
Keep whining, signing petitions and wearing anti-IE6 shirts if that's the best you can do. Maybe you can add a little Get Firefox button to your website if it'll make you feel better. Leave the web development business to professionals.
keep telling your clients that, some of us know better then use table-tr-td web designer
Just have an extra CSS file for IE6 and some extra 8bit PNGs to preserve functionality. Is that hard?
That's the thing! You shouldn't have to have extra CSS or lower quality PNG's files for one old browser that shouldn't even still be in use in the first place. Plus running extra JavaScript to detect the browser type is just extra overhead that's simply not needed in the year 2010 for a browser released back in 2001.
That's the thing! You shouldn't have to have extra CSS or lower quality PNG's files for one old browser that shouldn't even still be in use in the first place.
But it is in use (by 20%) and that's the way it is. I'm sure you'd like if you could export straight from PSD to HTML but it doesn't work that way.
[citation]Plus running extra JavaScript to detect the browser type is just extra overhead that's simply not needed in the year 2010 for a browser released back in 2001.[/citation]
If you're really bothered by Javascript "overhead" (funny considering the infinitesimal amount of processing it takes to run a browser check), try conditional comments for IE, you know that
Plus running extra JavaScript to detect the browser type is just extra overhead that's simply not needed in the year 2010 for a browser released back in 2001.
If you're really bothered by Javascript "overhead" (funny considering the infinitesimal amount of processing it takes to run a browser check), try conditional comments for IE, you know that
(Tom's doesn't know how to escape tags) ...you know that !--[if lt IE 7] stuff you see on almost every page of almost every major site.
I honestly don't even think about this stuff anymore, I just know it. If something doesn't look right in IE6, I immediately know why and how to fix it. Same with writing valid XHTML 1.1, it's no extra effort for me, I just know that stuff because instead of whining I took the time to learn.
Would it be great if every browser rendered the page identically? Yes! But they don't... and even if you take IE6 out of the picture, you still have all kinds of mobile browsers and accessibility standards that need to be supported as well.
As with all tech sooner or later you have to upgrade. I just wish they would jump to the newest IE instead of the one that is the next oldest. I know it isn't as "tested" but if you do this you will be able to expand your browser compatibility lifespan by leaps and bounds.
CATFIGHT!
Chrome ftw...
I used to be IE/Firefox fanboy all the way... one day i downloaded and installed Chrome and haven't looked back. Now and again i HAVE to use IE but unless it is forced i never open it.
lol, I work in a games company, and they pretty much force you to use anything BUT ie 6!
You wouldn't use a horse and cart to go to work when you had a perfectly good car would you? Of course you wouldn't! And by that logic you wouldn't use IE6 over any current browser.
It took me all of 5 minutes to upgrade 1,200 computers from IE6 to IE8 (SMS, but they could also use WSUS). What's the problem? Updating their websites to be compatible?