Source: Tom's Guide US | Keywords: Apple, iTunes, Palm, Pre, iPhone | Themes: The Internet, Smartphones, Digital Entertainment, Business, Audio/Video Players
Palm is reporting Apple to the USB Implementers Forum.
Evidently, Palm is rather ticked off having to update the Pre's webOS operating system in order for it sync within Apple iTunes again (story). In fact, Palm has reported "another member" to the USB Implementers Forum on behalf of consumers, claiming an "improper use of the Vendor ID number." Of course, we know whom they're referring to: Apple.
"Palm believes that openness and interoperability offer better experiences for users by allowing them the freedom to use the content they own without interference across devices and services," the company said.
Back in July, Apple stated that iTunes 8.2.1 would disable devices falsely pretending to be iPods, including the Palm Pre. "As we’ve said before, newer versions of Apple’s iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with unsupported digital media players," Apple said.
Taking the comment as a challenge, Palm proved who's boss. "Oh, and one more thing: Palm webOS 1.1 re-enables Palm media sync. That’s right–you once again can have seamless access to your music, photos and videos from the current version of iTunes (8.2.1)."
Of course, the fight doesn't end here. Expect the next version of iTunes to lock Palm's Pre out of the service once again. Yeah, we love a good cat fight.
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first fuckers !
Sheesh! Can't we all just get along?
Power-hungry controlling companies' responces (in general, not specificially Apple): HELL NO! SUFFER!
so do they think that people won't buy an iPod because they can sync their phone with iTunes? Why does apple even care?
Meh..I am getting a Pre Tomorrow and I could care less if it works with iToons.. I am not an iTool anyways.
Heck, if Microsoft wants to control its HD content and require Xbox users to use their LIVE services rather than go Blu-ray, then I can't blame Apple for wanting iTune users to require their consumers to purchase their premium prices "i___" devices.
Myself, vendors who want to lock me down into their systems usually cause me to turn alternatives. However, some essential services have to be bought (I do need a phone to communicate with various people, so I opt to get locked in by Verizon Wireless).
In the end, if you keep your entire library with iTunes, then remember this phrase: caveat emptor.
Heck, if Microsoft wants to control its HD content and require Xbox users to use their LIVE services rather than go Blu-ray
WTF are you talking about? If you are going to attempt to bash the xbox at least don't be retarded while doing so.
What do you mean "back in July"?
Where are you... I'm sorry, WHEN are you living?
This once again proves that if you want a perfect music collection that will never be outdated or incompatible, there's one answer: Pirate it.
This once again proves that if you want a perfect music collection that will never be outdated or incompatible, there's one answer: Pirate it.
Unforunately I agree.
Hmmm....I would will the RIAA try to sue Apple for encouraging people to pirate music because of their proprietary (spell check) software/hardware. Or for that matter any company who uses propreitary hardware/software. (Of course not, but one can dream...)
Does iTunes have an EULA? Does it require you to use only apple products? If so, that is a great reason not to use itunes (I never have), but either way they are being babies.
I'm really hoping this somehow explodes into something big so that Apple's anti-competitive iTunes platform is forced to let 3rd parties take advantage of it as well.
Leave it to Apple to be a pain in the ass.
Itunes was created for the iPod and vice versa. Why should Apple have to support other devices connecting to its software. If Palm is so worried syncing thier product with your music then why don't they just bust out their own music management software instead of using someone else's?
Exactly. Apple made iTunes for THEIR products. Why should they allow a rival to use their products software? Last i checked a company has the right to make software that is exclusive to their hardware. Palm a company that is dying and needs to the Pre to keep it alive is just using this as a marketing stint to try and say their shitty phone is a contender for the iPhone.
Exactly. Why should a company have to support other devices or software? I mean, Microsoft should block Safari from working in Windows, no one would care about that right?
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Apple supports iTunes for the Windows and Mac OS platform for free, with the caveat that you are only supposed to use Apple hardware (iPod or iPhone) with the iTunes software. I'm sure if other companies (like Palm or Rio or whichever music or video device company you care to mention) were willing to pony up the money, they could develop a competitive product to iTunes, or purchase support using a competing piece of software instead of trying to get a free ride on Apple's teat. Hell, I would even go so far as to bet that if these companies were to approach Apple with real money or assistance in supporting iTunes that they might even have a chance at selling their devices as a supported device on iTunes, instead of hacking USB ID's to falsely identify their music devices as "iPods."
Itunes was created for the iPod and vice versa. Why should Apple have to support other devices connecting to its software. If Palm is so worried syncing thier product with your music then why don't they just bust out their own music management software instead of using someone else's?
Exactly. Apple made iTunes for THEIR products. Why should they allow a rival to use their products software? Last i checked a company has the right to make software that is exclusive to their hardware. Palm a company that is dying and needs to the Pre to keep it alive is just using this as a marketing stint to try and say their shitty phone is a contender for the iPhone.
How many times did Apple steal other people's software/hardware without saying a word?
I guess u guys are too dumb to know that.
Not to mention, all iXXXXX products are nothing but overprice garbage. but there are garbage people out there to support garbage, always. so yeah, thats why garbage can stay alive.
GOOD thing I dont have one. YaY !
How many times did Apple steal other people's software/hardware without saying a word? I guess u guys are too dumb to know that.
And there you go straight to the personal insults. It might help add some potency to your argument if cited some examples that follow your claim...and more specifically ones that pertain to this specific topic. Brilliant comment though, it really added something to the discussion.
I thought ITunes was a way to buy music without going to a store. When I buy music and download onto MY pc, I then have to use an I'thing to listen to it? Forcing us to buy I'crap in addition to the music is new to me. I used to buy music from Turtles and listen on my JVC tape player. Ahh, freedom. Slowly but surely becoming a thing of the past.
Don't know about you but having all my music in an open format (MP3) format makes me smile. I hate iToons and never will use it. Ugg that program is horrid.
I love the fact all the apple haters out there trash itune but make no mention of zune software from ms. I guest i am the only who try to sync other media players to the zune software and didn't sync. Palm should also report ms to USB Implementers Forum because zune does not play nice with other media devices also.
No matter what is fair or logical iTunes is an apple application and due to that they can configure it to their spec. Purposefully handicapping or restricting use of certain peripherals within software is nothing new at all. People have become accustomed to accepting iTunes as an open platform simply because of it's widespread use. Is anyone really surprised to see this coming from apple? Bricked iPhone anyone?
i this i that i dont give a crap
apple is being overly selfish here, i mean even if they use another device not apple made, when they buy content...apple gets paid anyways.
i for one use itunes because i have an ipod but i don't like the interface. itunes is software that is begging for the Mozilla touch....as in FoxTunes.
Am I the only one thinking this is more and more like a monopoly case? What's the difference comparing to Microsoft using their position with windows to force people us IE? I know a lawyer can tell otherwise but to me Apple is doing too much, nothing is perfect including iPhone so why can't the consumer chose what they like to use?
Look up soundjam if you want to know about where itunes came from and the rather ugly story IIRC.
This is exactly why I will never buy an Apple product. They refuse to open up their platforms and treat their users as idiots. I love their laptop design, but I'm not a Hollywood metro-sexual: I actually use my computer for things besides e-mail. Apple has captured the "wealthy novice" part of the market, the problem is that they will never get beyond that, because most people are not willing to overpay just to be screwed.
On the plus side this is a boost for open music services (legal and otherwise), I for one wouldn't want to have all the music I PAYED FOR locked down in this way.
One thing is clear, if Apple responds with another block of the Palm Pre, Apple sees the Palm Pre as a worthy competitor to their own products. If the Pre was just another phone they wouldn't need bother. I really hope the Pre becomes a great enough success that they can continue to out innovate Apple on the market for user friendly smart phones.