Natal to Launch in October with Lag Time of 1/10s

guess that's not as bad as many gamers predicted...

average ping from MW2 is higher than THAT...

I'm not sure if 0.1s lag is good or bad or ok...

Not bad. Not really good enough for real games though. Also 1/10s is a little misleading. I thought .2 or .3 when I saw the title.

100ms!!! OMG lag!!! Hopefully they can speed it up some, it would be disappointing trying to play games online where the input had more lag than the net connection.

Natal, in ...October?

Don't forget though. If you use this for anything real online, the lag is ADDED. So this 0.1 lag + a reasonable ping of .05 is 0.15 seconds. Still not bad but it definitely increases the importance of a low ping for internet games.

It seems to me the slight lag time would throw hand eye coordination off.

Natal on the Xbox, slow laggy strapped to overburdened CPU and GPU.

Natal on decent gaming PC, there would be no problem.

Natal on Xbox, closed system easily controlled by MS

Natal on decent gaming PC, ok but on noob machine it will be an MS techsupport headache unless they make minimum requirement stringent.

I doubt that it's a CPU issue with the lag. It's more likely due to some rather complicated algorithms. It's still an amazing piece of technology, even at 100ms.

Now I want to know the lag in REAL GAMES. Those demos are press releases to gain hype meaning the processing is all geared towards making the lag seem next to nothing. Once you add the hundreds if not thousands of aspects to a game that is successful (AI, physics for everything that can move, 10-50 moving character models, etc) the lag is going to increase because you can not devote to processing power to the motion prediction needed for Natal.

@830hobbes... 1/10 is always .1 seconds. How would 1/10th of a second be .2 or .3? How many times does 1 go into 10... 0.1 times. I'm just saying, but .1 s for all the calculations its doing in addition to the game play calculations is very good in my book.

How conveniant that you say 1/10 of a second when everybody everywhere measures lag in milliseconds. 100ms is huge! Gamers are complaining about monitors that have input lag higher than 30-40ms, and you make it look like it's ok...

That would get annoying. I only play on servers with less than 100 ping most of the time because anything higher annoys the heck out of me.

shut up chipi.

1/10th of a second is bad.
It reduces Natal to gimicky actions.
The Wii has much lower response time on pointing, but an equivilent, sometimes slower response from the accellerometers, but even this makes most games rediculiously broken. Expect the same from Natal.

This process needs a dedicated core or perhaps GPGPU work not a .1s delay.

I'm all for the success of Natal, but .1 sec just seems...slow?

Meh, I don't know. I think I would still rather a physical controller over motion-sensing technology, at least in most titles. Guess I won't know if this is something I will want until October.

Everybody is freaking out over 100ms lag time on prototype hardware?

With 8 months till launch I'd be more concerned with cleaning out bugs, glitches and ensuring the hardware is reliable rather than a bit of input lag.

The processing is done by the X360, not natal right? That means the input lag can be reduced in down the road. Even after launch if absolutely necessary via a software update.

I think its way too early to judge this technology.

Yeah I have to agree that 1/10 of a second is going to be rough. As a guitar player who uses a PC for real-time effects, I have spent some time configuring my audio equipment for low latency. I personally begin to "feel" the latency at > 5 ms (1/200 sec!) It's still very usable, but you begin thinking about the guitar differently than if it was directly amped. I feel I can adapt up to 50ms before "using" the guitar as an interface takes more mental precedence than "playing" it. My point is, I imagine the interface will be very usable at 100ms, but that's going to have to come way down before people feel immersed in the game as opposed to feeling like they're adapting to a new kind of controller.

does anyone know what that lag time is on a regular wireless 360 controller?

i think for a HOME motion capturing device that is quite impressive...considering how old the xbox technology is now with all the home pc's having quad core cpu's and much more RAM. yea the architecture is much different on the consoles but still old now, but yet Natal seems much more impressive than the 'Arc'. and also seeing what the PS3 technology is, Natal seemed more appropriate for PS3 but MS blew everyone away

not impressed.

Robby the plate spinning robot, anyone?

Guys, when he said he thought 1/10s meant 0.2 or 0.3, THIS IS WHAT HE MEANT.

"Yeah, it seems to reach the thousandS." Note the "S" in THOUSANDS.

Here it's 1/10s, meaning multiple, plural 1/10s, Meaning it's somewhere in the 0.1~0.9 second range, but not over a second and not below 0.1 second.

Hence, the confusion. Of course the article later clears it up saying it is a mean between 0.08 and 0.12 for 0.1, but still, you guys shouldn't be insulting his "grade school math" just because you can't recognize misleading titles when it tosses itself at your faces.

I hate the whole Natal idea, but it's still faster controls than killzone 2!

Just to clarify:

that's enough to lose me points in a combat game.