Logitech G27
Source: Tom's Guide US | Keywords: racing, wheel, gaming | Themes: Digital Entertainment
2. Logitech G27
- G27 Racing Wheel
$300. PC and PS3 compatible
The G27 more closely resembles what you’ll see in your car than our other tested wheels. At just under a foot in diameter, the G27 is the smallest tested wheel, but don’t let the smaller size fool you. The stainless-steel frame is built well and is strong, sturdy, and smooth.
The G27 comes with three parts: the wheel itself, a 6+1 gearbox (six gears plus reverse), and a foot-pedal board with gas, brake, and clutch pedals. Each piece, as well as the power cord, plugs into the wheel's underbelly without disturbing the wheel's seating.
Both the wheel and gearbox stay in place with large built-in plastic screws, which fasten the devices to any surface up to three inches thick. This method is crude but effective. Making it work properly is more of a challenge and installation is more work than we’d like. The pedal board is light, even with its stainless-steel pedals (both on carpet and hard floor), and though it stays in place when in use, it isn’t stable when pushing on the gas or clutch. All of the components can also be screwed directly onto a surface for optimum stability, which we recommend.
The steering wheel itself has six buttons near the wheel’s center and two steel paddles behind it. These buttons are close enough to use while racing and are wing-shaped and very tactile. The paddle-shifters are tight and firm. On the gearbox are four top buttons shaped like a gamepad, a D-pad for navigating menus, and four additional buttons in a straight row under it. All 16 buttons (14 buttons and two paddle shifters) are programmable.
Logitech has a relationship with Nissan and Sony on the Gran Turismo racing simulators, so the gearbox is very similar to what you’ll find in a Nissan 350z, Infinity G35/G37, and similar models. The six-speed shifter clicks into place with ease and takes no time to adjust to, whether you drive stick or not. Stylishly designed with hand-stitched leather, shifting gears has never been easier on a racing wheel. Unfortunately, there is no option for a sequential shifter (only up and down), though this action can be performed with the pedal shifters.
Down below is the pedal board sporting three pedals: gas, brake and clutch. Plastic holds stainless steel pedals, the gas, brake, and clutch. These pedals are very strong, yet the brake is too stiff. It should be noted that these pedals are not powered, and do not change based on the type of race underway. Each pedal is sensitive enough for even the most minor presses, though players relaxing at home will find it difficult to play a racing game with bare feet or even sandals—just like a real car. For realism, this is a plus, but for gamers who aren’t always dressed in racing gear, it’s not convenient.
Driving
For normal driving, the G27 performs well. It is extremely responsive and the wheel fights you at every wrong turn, shakes at every bump, and will push and pull every which way. While we haven’t devised a review method to quantify the strength of the wheel, we can say that it is powerful enough to properly simulate real driving, with rare exception. The gearbox shifts smoothly, and the pedals register each press—however light—properly.
The G27 is also a tad too slow, at least for proper drifting. The steering wheel can turn fiercely on a sharp turn or during a slide, but it cannot spin around 450 degrees to 600 degrees at the true speed. Often, drifting requires letting the wheel turn on its own, as the back wheels of the car spin and the front wheels will turn in the opposite direction, spinning the steering wheel around completely. It’s up to the driver to catch the wheel at the proper time. This worked on smaller drifts, but we found ourselves turning the wheel around ourselves because it couldn’t spin around fast enough. This problem can be solved by lessening the turning radius from 900 degrees to 360 degrees or less, but this takes away from the driving experience.
The six buttons on the wheel are tactile and perform well during a race, as do the paddleshifters. We tended to leave the buttons above the shifter on the gearbox alone because using them when driving just isn’t feasible. Our hands stayed either on the wheel or stick shift.
Overall
The G27 is an excellent racing wheel, one which works well on both the PC and PlayStation 3. PC and console support is expected to grow tremendously, as it has for the G25. The lack of piecemeal purchase options (prospective buyers must buy the wheel with the gearbox and pedal board) is a shame, and Logitech’s connectors work only for its products. Not having a sequential shifter is also a downer and the steering wheel could be a little larger than its predecessor.
That said, the G27 performs excellently for racing amateurs and enthusiasts. The gearbox is the best we’ve ever tested. It may be a bit slow for drifting, but we are very pleased with the G27.
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Hmmmm should of also included a part for service and customer support. Good luck getting a Fanatec #1, and #2 good luck getting it serviced or supported when you have a problem with it, which you will.
My vote will always go to the Logitech G series wheels. The only shame is Microsoft won't support it on the 360. That would be a huge selling point for a lot of people.
I have the Logitech G25 and couldn't be happier.
Its an amazing wheel, as mentioned in the article 360 support would be a very nice update, right now I have it running on the PS3 in my basement and it works wonders.
I'd buy a 360 and the forza games if it was supported!
You guys got the labels and pics for the Logitech G27 and Fanatec GT3 RS mixed up.
yep definitely need support for the 360 and forza 3. then you could actually feel like you were driving each of those 400 vehicles...
Wow, I've always used a joystick in racing games. Should I try a wheel?
I'll tell you what James: You send me the racing wheel of your choice, and I'll send you a high-end motherboard of my choice, you name the socket
wheels are good for sim games but for arcade style games they are a joke. the problem is the amount of time it takes you to turn from full left turn to full right turn. if you race rc cars you know what i am talking about, we pay hundreds of dollars for the fastest servo and controller. i wish there was a compromise between the game controller and the wheel.
i have an old (win 95) controller that is just that. a hand held wheel just like a rc car controller it has force feedback but needs a game port and only works on win 95. i wish a new version of this was made. it was made by interact and is called the fx racing wheel.
Is the G27's manual shift as flimsy as the G25's? I have a G25 and all I can say about it is that they sould have made the shifter stronger with metal all over it. Also Tom's doesn't mention it but in GT5 Prologue, as in all games that I played, you can switch gears without using the clutch. Now thats also a huuuge blast on the feel of it, since using your not using some of your driving skills with the clutch...
I've heard people who ordered the Fanatec are still waiting, up to one year after paying for it. If that company can't create the manufacturing infrastructure to support volume orders, I believe they may go out of business.
Lots of excellent comments! A few responses:
Adamkob32: While Fanatec is based in Germany and does sell in many regions, US included, I would guess that yes, repairs and support would be more difficult through them through Logitech. But for the purposes of this article, we couldn't test that.
92Sileighty: Yes, the fixes have been submitted and will be updated shortly.
Crashman: We'll see!
Superhighperf: Agreed, though arcade racers aren't necessarily bad with a wheel as well. We played with mostly racing sims, which is to say games made with the wheel in mind. However, you can play games like GTAIV with a G25/27, and it can make the experience more fun. Just depends on the game.
Aerobernardo: The G27's gearbox is excellent, the best we tested here, and much better than the G25's. As for GT5 Prologue, its not that you can switch gears without a clutch, but the game doesn't support a clutch (to my knowledge). I've used the game for testing in the past, but its not the racing sim of choice because its not a full game, nor does it support everything I'd look for in a racing game.
NewJohnny: To my knowledge, Fanatec's wheels are put out in small amounts. They make 5,000 or 10,000 wheels of one kind, and another set for others, etc. Why, I couldn't say...might be part of the deal they have with Porsche for branding rights. I haven't heard any stories of people waiting for years though. I can only imagine that being some sort of perpetual order/shipping snafu.
What's your option of the 911 turbo wheel (without the S). Fanatec is pricing them at $200, which is tempting price point with shifter and paddles. Is it basically the the RS wheel with turbo S shifter and paddles. Also is possible to mount the fanatec shift on something without use the metal rods?)
Wonnaawheel, the 911 turbo wheel, which came out last year, is nearly identical in design and form to the S Wheel. The main difference is that the S Wheel works with the 360, and the pedals built for the Turbo are not as sensitive. My testing with that set had the gas pedal go at 0/100% power, with little room inbetween, though the pedals can be purchased separately and may have been updated along with the wheel itself.
As for mounting the shifter, you cannot. It only attaches via metal poles to the steering wheel, not to a surface. The only options you're given are which side they sit on the wheel, the left or right.
$300 for a racing wheel is outrageous.
Hate that the cheaper $50 versions don't turn the full 450 or 600 degrees. They turn less than 180.
Have not read the whole article yet... but I HAD to comment about this:
"Normal racing makes drivers slow down at turns, while drifting requires that drivers time their turns and maneuver their vehicles to slide through turns without losing speed"
ahem... that's because drifing cars are going so pathetically slow that they don't NEED to slow down.
Drifting is what you get when you think to yourself "how can I take a car that goes like stink and corners like it's on rails and make it slow?". You shave the tires so they don't have any traction, you adjust the suspension so the car's so loose it can hardly go in a straight line, and then you drive on pavement while pretending you're on dirt.
I've got the G25... It's a solid wheel and for some time has been the only real "High End" wheel on the market. The Fanatec seems like a solid design and for that extra investement you get XBox 360 compatability (something by all reports you'll never see for the G25/27). If I were buying today I'd consider the Fanatec... even though it's a LOT more money.
The other thing that I really like about the G25 is the paddle shifters... the stick IMO is too floppy but the paddels are nice aluminium parts, big with a nice positive click. It's hard to tell but it looks like the Fanatec either doesn't have them ore their buttons (buttons stink for paddle shifters).
Also (wish I could edit my posts)... one plus for the Fanatec is that it has an extra motor for vibration, ideally it should allow the wheel to convey more information to the driver about traction - though I'm not sure if it makes a difference in real life (some reviews think it does). I'd really like to try one to see, you guys get all the cool toys!
D_Kuhn, the gearbox is greatly improved in the G27, so much so that I rarely used the paddle shifters. Which, by the way, are improved over the G25's as well.
As for the motor, the G27 also has an extra motor for force feedback. It does make a difference, unless you drive in game like you do in real life.
One of these days, we'll fix that.
Well, I can't comment on the G-27 yet, for I don't have one, but I have a G-25 for almost two years now, and I must attest the G-25 is a solid and reliable wheel, for just about any kind of racing you prefer.
If you really like racing as much as I do, and you want to race online in various Sims Racing Series like Nascar Sim Racing, ARCA ReMax, R Factor, on different organizations that have the Nascar Cup, Nationwide,or lower series right down to Modifieds, or even Formula 1, and there are Hundreds of the organizations online that require a membership, you better have a good, decent wheel (NO JOYSTICKS). Most won't let you race or become a member if you don't have a wheel. Even the real life NASCAR drivers race in these online series, for practice or prior to their upcoming weekly event.
I'm considering one of the G-27's, but right now I couldn't be happier with my G-25. While racing online, I prefer the paddle shifters to the stick shifter, whether it be on a oval or road course, to where it lets me keep my hands on the wheel than worry about distracting me to shift, plus not worrying about a shifter when you have to downshift say from fourth gear to third gear and accidently throw it into first gear resulting into a blown transmission or blown motor.
And the cost of these units, the G-25, G-27, or others listed here in the forum are not that bad in price or outrageous on price as stated. There are others that manufacture wheels for true diehard online racers like me who like this, like the Thomas Super Wheel(www.thomas-superwheel.com) and ECCI (ECCI6000.com), and I'm seriously looking at a TSW right now. But get ready to spend some bucks if your serious and like this as I do.
Logitech makes a good wheel, so if you really want to see how good you are as well as the wheel, get online and race with about 30-40 others and that will tell you how good these wheels are.