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Are you saying with max settings you never go below 30 and you don’t get any lag? I’m wondering if were on the same page to what we call acceptable game play. I can play the game at high detail too, but when I face off with a bot or two my FPS drop down under the 30’s. Even the 6800 had times it dropped down to 22 and 33, so yeah I wonder how you can top that.
I just started the game and so far made it to the boat, but the lag in there and fighting the guys right out side has caused me to stop playing the game. Like wait for a new video card. Maybe if I keep going the lag won’t be so bad, but I’m thinking it will once I come in contact with a bot. If the game isn’t smooth I find it hard to enjoy. Maybe I’m just use to UT.

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Why do you need to play at max settings?

I think you'll find that with lighting set to very high (Pixel Shader 2.0) and environment set to medium you'll find the game looks at least 90% as good, but plays very smoothly.

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Reply to Cleeve

I agree with medium settings, just turn the res up to overcome the non-antialiased graphics. At least that's what i'm doing, i'm running at medium at 1280x1024, very smooth, never below 35.

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Max settings would be nice, but I’ll settle for 90% and smooth play :wink: . Thanks. I have tried some settings changes, what a pain to have to start the game over every time gees. I’ll try upping the res and lower the AA and some other settings and see if I can actually start getting somewhere in the game. Don’t know where the post is, but Slava also said to lower the particle count. Will updating my driver help? I tried 4.4, but UT acted up, which usually is ok when I turn the vertical sync to always on, but not with the 4.4 driver, so I went back to 3.8. Maybe try 4.3?

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I am not quite sure how you can take this personally, unless you were one of the game developers. I only responded because I happen to think the game is loads of fun and anyone who enjoyed the demo will surely like the game. I think some of us just wanted to make it clear as to not mislead people and have them avoid the game from this review. No personal attacks meant at all, just surprised to hear someone say it isn't any fun. But even so, it's important to let it be known if you happen to find it to be a fun game. My advice is try the demo, if you like it, the retail game will give you 20 more hours of that same fun through a variety of levels. Plus multiplayer and an editor are included, so maybe some mods will be on there way soon too.


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It is a fun experience teaching a classroom of students when 5 out of your 30 students are talking, and you say, "Hey, guys, be quiet." Then, when the five that were talking stop and look at you, the other 25 students, in unison, act all pissed off and say, "I wasn't talking!"

So if you are a poster who writes worthwhile, yet respectful remarks, it is OK to assume that the comment was not directed toward you...

Besides, people often respond to a higher post by clicking on the bottom post...


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you use a joystick......................


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA



wow dude thats just not right, i dont know how you get even one kill

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wtf? is this a sticky? it better not be. Or else we might as well fill the forum with crappy reviews like this.

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Re: you use a joystick......................
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
wow dude thats just not right, i dont know how you get even one kill


re read the post you drunken fool. It don't even work with a joy stick.

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====== <font color=red>URGENT</font color=red> =======

=== <font color=green>ERROR DETECTED!!!</font color=green> ====

I decided to try Far Cry at “Easy” difficulty and in the process I discovered a mistake in my original post about this game’s performance! To correct this, I made changes to the original review.

<font color=red>I am very sorry that I mislead you guys.</font color=red>

Here’s what was incorrect: I do get the frame rates I posted <font color=green>BUT</font color=green> the graphics settings are NOT all “High”. The original post said that everything was set to “High” except Particle Count which was set to “Medium”. This is wrong. In addition to Particle count, Shadows, Special Effects and Water are also set to Medium. Everything else is, indeed, at High and Texture Filter Quality (which I did not mention at all in the original post) is Trilinear.

I made this mistake because initially I did use all “High” settings with 2xAA, 4xAF, etc. but the frame rate was not very good It was 24-38 FPS rather than 40+ FPS and I toned a few things down but somehow I forgot about it when I wrote that review.

Once again, I am sorry, I hope no one ran out and bought FX5700 Ultra 128 DDR2 just based on my review of its performance in Far Cry. It is still a great cheap card though - almost as good as 9800Pro but when I bought it it was 70 bucks cheaper (not sure what the current prices are).


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A relevant link from firingsquad:

<A HREF="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_ati/" target="_new">http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/far_cry_ati/</A>

Tests of different Ati cards with Far Cry using the Pixel Shader 2.0 setting.

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Reply to Cleeve

Far Cry Crashes my pc...so i just uninstalled it..

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A relevant link from firingsquad:


Awesome link! Thanks! Love FiringSquad.

However, at the first glance the frame rates seemed exaggerated to me. So I looked closer at how they tested.

They benchmarked walking on a map with no action. The game does not work like that: there’s AI animation, smoke, fire, etc.. Theirs are not the real gameplay frame rates users should expect when actually playing. It seems to me that while the FS article accurately depicts relative power of various Radeon cards it may mislead users who may think that they can play FC with R9800XT at 1600x1200 with everything at Very High and and still get playable FPS.


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Why does it crash your PC?

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actually i agree with slava..

Once u get past the graphical WOW factor the game kinda fades as there doesnt seem to be an incentive to keep playing....

i also have an audigy 2 and the sound in the game doesnt interest me at all..

personally i still rate CoD as the best shooter there is as that was one game that grabbed me and MADE me play to the end... Farcry is like a girl that looks pretty but has no personality.....

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Farcry is like a girl that looks pretty but has no personality.....


Finally! THANK YOU. I mean it from the bottom of my heart!

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Tests of different Ati cards with Far Cry using the Pixel Shader 2.0 setting.


Can you fill me in about the P/S 2.0 setting? Is it something we have to set to and if so where. I did a search, but it just led to this thread. Is it something to do with Direct X and already in use if you have the latest Direct X? Clueless…… By the way the game looks pretty good and is pretty smooth at medium settings and medium AA at 1024x768. About 50-100 FPS. I tried 1280x1024 and no AA, but with not as good FPS, though not going below 35 and maybe as high as 75. Slava is right Not being able to save has me starting over and over. I do have it on medium skill though.

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Can you fill me in about the P/S 2.0 setting?


Pixel Shader 2.0. All DX9x cards I know of support it. My FX5700U supports it for sure. If I understand correctly P/S has to do with how light and shadows are rendered for each pixel. If I am correct, full use of P/S 2.0 in FC would entail running it with Lighting quality set to Very High...

Details here:

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=374941#374941" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=374941#374941</A>

here

<A HREF="http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020116/" target="_new">http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020116/</A>

and here

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/ps-precision/?86984" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/ps-precision/?86984</A>

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Slava on 04/22/04 02:35 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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That’s why Cleeve said to set lighting to very high, thanks. I think that setting was hitting my FPS pretty hard, I’ll have to read up and check out the difference. Thanks again.

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awnn Slava here is a whiner because he spent 39.99 on a game he doesn't like? do we give a rat's ass? NOOOO

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With a little help I’m actually playing the game now. I’m still in aw over the graphics and hope this is a sign for things to come. It’s no MOHAA, but I’m having fun and blowing holes in the bots and watching them jump is cool, lol. I’d have some spending money if I had my money back for all the games I didn’t like or didn’t finish. Example: I still haven’t finished Call of Duty, since my kid started the game and lost my spot and I was playing on a harder level. Hmm, NFP Underground, cool game played that one or two nights. Delta Force, seems ok, one to two nights there. Midnight Club, Battlefield 1942, MOHAA SpearHead, also only a few nights of play. I have Max Payne, SOFII and a few other games I played like once or twice and never went back to. I might buy one game and then by another before I even finish the first, if I even go back to playing the first. Come to think of it I didn’t even finish the demo to Farcry.

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awnn Slava here is a whiner because he spent 39.99 on a game he doesn't like? do we give a rat's ass? NOOOO


You are mistaken. And though I normally ignore rude people like you I will have you know that I make a lot of money and I buy a lot of games. I don't "give a rat's ass" about $39.99. But bad games piss me off. That's all. Don't bother to respond. All further messages from you will be ignored, unless you apologize for your tone.


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Come on Cools respond we need to start another flame war, it's getting dull around here.

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But what convinced me not to buy was no joy stick support. That just bites... I hate keyboard games too cumbersome for my liking.



FPS with a joystick? That's the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time. How did you pick up that wacko habit?

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Its not a habit, I just dont play any fps games. I downloaded demo farcry I did not buy it, and it was my first real experience with FPS game. It does not work with a joystick and I'm now pretty sure rightly so. However I did not know that because I don't really play FPS games. I thought I had explained that already.

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Yeah, I was floored from the post and responded right away without reading further.

Still...promise me you'll never play another FPS with a joystick.

LOL

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Ok sounds like a promise but I have never played fps with a joystick simply because it did not have that option, I am interested in learning FPS at least trying half life2. Looks like I am going to have to get good or comfortable with a keyboard.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by darko21 on 04/27/04 04:53 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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It could have been worse, you could have been trying FPS games with a tablet.

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Reply to dhlucke

I think Im gonna have to agree with Slava here, Far Cry is not all its cracked up to be. Yeh it has nice graphics, but graphics dont make a game.

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Reply to jammydodger
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one word... BOATS !!! the AI is utterly insane at times & the jumping is pathetic but I get to drive a boat around with guns on... I am a happy camper now...

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And did you know the num Lock key switches to the secondary fire mode on the boat as well as your other guns, letting you fire the rockets from the boat too. Those are alot of fun as a direct hit takes out anything.

I'm relieved that I finished the game so i can get more work done. To me it was a very good game that came almost out of nowhere, which is much better than HL2 and others that we have expected for ages and still have no idea when we will see it.

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Farcry is like a girl that looks pretty but has no personality.....



That is probably the best description I have heard of Far Cry. However, a pretty girl can be fun too...

I think that Slava's grievances are a bit extreme though. I play at challenging and at the cooler level it was not too hard to outrun the rocket dude and Shotgun the monkeys in the next room. However, I totally agree that the save point before this was wrongly placed. Other than that I think the save points are frequent enough...

Far Cry is the best new shooter in a while, but it ain't earth shattering like some would have you belive.

BTW, Serious Sam and Max Payne also started out as tech demos. Nothing wrong in that.

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My new years resolution is 1280 x 1024


THIS IS BRILLIANT !!! :smile:

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I just beat the game (no cheating!) and the ending lasted about 25 seconds! Are there multiple endings or what? Jack simply gives valerie the antidote and she wakes up...then credits. WTF! There were longer cutscenes in the first 2 hours of the game! Plus that last room in the volcano.....wayyy wayyyyyy too difficult. Its not cool to shoot enemies from afar to find you cannot hit them (the guy on the right platform bridge when looking out from the entrance door). When did thos trigents get the ability to snipe so perfectly with the OCIW?

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Yup, the last two big fights were the hardest, and after that the ending did seem lame and rushed. Overall i still think it is a very fun and great looking game.

Time to install the patch and play a little multiplayer.


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Reply to pauldh
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Bad game, If staples took back software I would have my money back.

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Well, at this point I tend to think that there is actually something special about the game because I have not seen any “moderate” opinions. People either totally hate it or absolutely love it. This is an indication of something out of the ordinary.

However, this gets me thinking that my initial review that started this seemingly endless thread was right on.

There are things to LOVE about this game and there are things to HATE about this game.

While this means an out of the ordinary experience (and I’VE BEEN THERE!) it does not mean “GOOD GAME”.

No.

But all of us, gamers, do have a hope that this is a not-so-bad a beginning of a new era of FPS.


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The game is fun and looks good and is technically superior to anything else out there.... it just doesnt compel me to play....

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Yikes, don't get me thinking about pretty girls with no personality... I am at work.

So, does she just lay there or does she participate?

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She just lays there, then she gets _real_ active, then she bites a bit too hard just to say something that totally turns you off.

Fra Cry goes from boring to tense to cool to frustrating. However, like a girl with no personality she gets boring too quick. I get more an more bored with this game as it progresses and don't think I'll fininsh it since I got TRON 2.0 today.

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whatever about farcry but Tron 2.0 is utter rubbish

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