NEW Graphic card HELP!!!

Actually it <b>IS</b>. But that's ok. Just ask anyone about my posts.

<font color=blue> Im lookin at the 9700 non pro
and the 9800 SE</font color=blue>

Go with the R9700non-pro, it will outperform the R9800SE.
The R9800SE is like and R9500/R9600. It's a very crippled card made to compete in a budget/OEM market.

All of them are just as stable as any other card from ATI/nV.

The only compatibility problems to worry about is to make sure your clean your system of all the old nV drivers (they are hard to remove). Use a few utilities like Detonator R.I.P. which you can get from <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/" target="_new">theGURUof3D</A>, and that should do the trick.

Yes it handles TV out, and you can run seperate or mirrored images. Issues with playback are macrovision and software dominated/determined. But it should be ok.

<font color=blue>my gf3 does 1024X768
does 9700 non pro and 9800 non pro do this?</font color=blue>

No, this is far too high a resolution for those cards. Your GF3 ROX. You should get a Matrox, the only one able to handle that kind of demanding requirements. Jeez!

As for which card to buy, read the buyers guide Faq it will give you good suggestions. Shoulda stopped there first IMO.
ATI, Gigabyte, Hercules, Visiontek, Creative, and TYAN are all good makers. Sapphire is OK. Stay away from Gigacube and Powercolor.

<font color=blue>i have never used a radeon card before so im very very newbish with them and i would love to have some true things pointed out to me... i dont want any comments on just supporting there card by stubborn ppl who support there card even if it has problems i want true good facts and true bad facts</font color=blue>

For a nOOb you're pretty demanding. Here's my suggestion get an Intel Extreme integrated graphics chip and then you can be sure there are no problems due to the chip, it's the stupid game programers, since that's the #1 chip in the world. But you'll probably find SOMETHING wrong with it (maybe perforamnce) and come back complaining that we were stubbournly supporting our favorite.
Seriously don't bitch about the help people give you even before you get it. Talk about ungrateful, OIE!


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i wonder why everyone seems to be dissing sapphire, concidering it makes 90% of BBATi cards, i have a 9800 np from sapphire, flashed the bios to 9800 pro and never looked back ^_^

"What kind of idiot are you?"
"I don't know, what kinds are there?"

The thing is the BEST of the Sapphire products become ATI boards, and the rest are usually Sapphire boards, but without the NICE ATI warranty. Sapphire makes NICE cards, but unless it's their FireBlade or UE edition then it's the left-overs IMO. I've seen alot of people get the Atlantises that were very dissapointed because they had cheaper memory on them.

They're still 'good' cards, just not the same level as Hercules, Gigabyte, etc. And unfortunately not all Sapphire's are the same. But they ARE nice boards. BTW, Visiontek is ALSO going to be making some of the BBA boards.

The reason people diss them is usually some sort of bad experience or the number of mediocre reviews. I've seen ALOT of complaints about the Atlantis version of the R9600P. Most didn't know that only the Fireblade is guaranteed to have the same parts as the BBA (and the Fireblade comes overclocked right out of the box).

Anywhoo, its just personal preference in the lng run. Due to my VOCAL dislike of Powercolor & GigaCube, I've received alot of feed-back from people about their positive experiences. The things is not all cards are the same, just be more cautious with certain makers.


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hey thanx fro teh info but i wasnt tlkain bout monitor resolution i was talkin about tv out resolution
does any1 have a 9700 non pro that can test it for me and just tell me wat resolution the tv out does showing the full screen
thanx

The 9700 will outperform the 9600 Pro by a very wide margin. But if you can't afford a 9700, then the 9600 Pro will well be worth your money if you can get it about $150 or less.

My OS features preemptive multitasking, a fully interactive command line, & support for 640K of RAM!

Because their too expensive to make. ATi turns a bigger profit off of the 9600 series.

I help because you suck.

SE stands for Stipped Edition.

When Saphire released the 9500 non-pro, it came with 4 pipelines and a 256-bit memory bus. The 9800SE has 4-pipelines and a 256-bit memory bus. The 9800 chip is the 9700 chip with a few minor revisions to reduce heat. So basically the 9800SE is a 9500 non-pro with a higher clock speed and newer BIOS.

The 9700 non-pro is much more powerfull, with all 8 pipelines enabled.

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Funny thing about TV, they have at most something like 512 lines, so using high resolutions only makes the blurriness worse. It should display an 800x600 sized screen on that lower resolution tube, but you'll still need to resort to tricks in order to read small text (like custom fonts, etc).

Of course you could go with HDTV and get a true 720x480 resolution (720i) or with a really good HDTV perhaps 1920x1040 (1040i). If I got those resolutions off a little, I'm sure someone will make a big deal of correcting me!

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ye true you are right
im just trying to compare the nview to rade on tv out
to see whats better

300 american $?

bba?

Wel you knew it was coming...
Crash, you're slipping dude. 'Must be the SHOES' -MARS

It's funny in the second part you got the res. right (second number is the rating), and in the first you swapped them. 720x480 (actuall it's 704x480), is still 480i, although 640x480 is the more common res. However 1280x720 (baselines is 750+X? lines) is 720i. Although I've seen more 720p ou there (depends on transmission methods). FYI baselines fo 1080i is 1125+X? lines.

BTW, NTSC 480i carries 525+1+1 lines (extra lines are for info and error correction thet are not displayed.)

There we go correction made, no big deal; especially since I know you know your $heet from our other discussions in the TV/Video forum.


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The 9500 series uses the 9700 chip. On the 9500Pro, that chip is unmodified from the 9700 series, the card is handicapped instead by a 128-bit memory bus. On the 9500non-pro, four of the pipelines are disabled by changing the chips detection resistors. The driver detects the different resistor position and sets it with only 4 pipelines enabled. Enabling the other four pipelines requires hacking the driver to trick it into using the other 4 pipes.

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For your $200, I'd definately choose the 9700 non-pro. It has the best tv-out in the gaming card industry.

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<font color=red>Only a place as big as the internet could be home to an ego as large as Crashman's!</font color=red>

bba means built by Ati

Your mistake.

9700: 256-bit and 8 pipes
9500Pro: 128-bit and 8 pipes
9500NP: 128-bit and 4 pipes.

If the 9500 Pro had 256-bit memory it would be a 9700.

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Your right. They are 128bit. I owned one too....lol.

I help because you suck.

Hehe, maybe you should have gotten <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=14-142-015&depa=1" target="_new">This 9500 Non-Pro</A> with 256-bit memory, and tried enabling the other four pipes?

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<font color=red>Only a place as big as the internet could be home to an ego as large as Crashman's!</font color=red>

Yes, that's in American dollars, that's an American site, and the card is listed as in-stock.

Well, you can't find any 9700 or 9500 cards where you live? How much are the 9600 Pro cards?

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<font color=red>Only a place as big as the internet could be home to an ego as large as Crashman's!</font color=red>

hmm i think i can get my hands onto a 9500 pro
crash do they use the advanatges of dx9 like the 9700's?