The Lady needs help!!!

Okay boys, I've got a few questions...

1. Aren't there any other women here?????

2. I built my old system EONS ago!!!! We've gotten alot of mileage out of it, but I just CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE and husband is FINALLY going to let me rebuild it. So..... I've picked out the following and then I need some help from you guys. I want to be able to transfer from our miniDV camcorder to DVD. The camera has IEEE 1394 interface. I would also like to put our old VHS homevideo tapes onto DVD before the kids destroy them. We don't do any heavy gaming yet. Is the ATI the right card or is it too much or too little for what I want it to do? Any other system problems or conflicts that you can see? Will I need an additional capture card? Is there anything else I will need to do video? Brianpower is minimal right now. Pregnant (and very emotional) with #4 so am very tired and I'm finding it REALLY difficult to concentrate on typing this post, let alone my research for the new system. I feel like I'm leaving something out!!! The 15 month old is fascinated by the keyboard and the lights on the computer. I've lost track of how many times she's shut the whole thing down with that tempting little power button....... She keeps side tracking or completely stopping me from reading online and frankly I think she's starting to get a little jealous about how much time I've spent glued to the monitor.

ATI ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 7500 64MB AGP RTL

Asus A7N8X Deluxe V.2

AMD ATHLON XP 2500 "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU

KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 256MB DDR333 (PC2700) 32X64
DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX2700/256 (2 of these)

Seagate 120 GB HD 7200rmp

Plextor DVD+R/RW IDE Drive Model PX-504A-SW

Windows 2000 Pro

COOLERMASTER AERO 7+ - My computer is housed in the bottom of my 8'9" 200 year old cabinet. I'm not willing to cut any more holes in the back or bottom of the cabinet other than what mice have added through the years before it got to me. That would devalue the cabinet. Fortunately the mice knew what they were doing and made the holes just the right size for all of my cables!!! And with Little Miss Quick Fingers running around here shutting the computer off everytime she notices the door open, I have to be careful about leaving it open for ventilation. I'm sure she will outgrow her fascination soon, but there will be another one doing the same thing in the not too distant future. Just want to make sure the CPU stays cool enough. Is it worth the $45.00 or can I get by with what is boxed with the CPU?

Any suggestions will be appreciated!!! New Egg dropped the price on the Barton by $30.00 this week, so I'm at about $1000.00. Would like to keep it in that range but am willing to sacrifice a little matrimonial bliss for a better system.

Thanks,

Babyjo

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1. I don't know if there are any other ladies here because it is difficult to tell on internet At least you are the first one I believe you are a lady.

2. From the message you typed, ATI would be fine for you but I say get at least a AIW 8500, or better AIW 9700Pro, they are relatively much cheaper than before, and won't hurt your budget a lot. ATI AIW lines are equipped with everything you need, so no capture card needed. And for the CPU cooler, I don't think you'll overclock so the stock cooling would be more than enough for you, but if lady wants to make her system look good you may consider some cooling fan with LED.

Finally, hope your little girl grows up nice and healthy, and good luck with the coming one

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Reply to GeneticWeapon

1. There are exactly 3 female members who are active here.
2. Ever considered the Western digital Special edition drives? They're better than seagate but seagate has lower noise of course. And I dont think you'll be needing the HSF even if you overclock to a certain extent.
Good luck for your family.

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Reply to jaythaman

Yes, there are three women i know of, Melb_angel, qoop and girlnamedlou... and someone who probably dresses as a woman, wingding.

Barton good
mobo good
ram good (512 is handy for video editing stuff)
120gb drive is good, though you will allways wish for more
dvd+rw drive is good, though there are cheaper brands than plextor out there.
coolermaster aero is also good. Toms Hardware actually use one for their benchmarking.
If 45 seems a little too much for you, see if you can find a Spire FalconRockII or volcano 7+
The graphics card is ok, good enough for vid work... but a bit dated. specially if you want to play the odd game.
Funds permitting, look at a 8500 or 9700 (nonpro)

cheers

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And ignore GenW, he just want to be the god father of your new born child.

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Reply to TKH

you aren't ocing so you dont need namebrand ram.I have two pices of samsung pc2700 that I got 6 months apart. I get dual channel and have run them to 187 fsb without problem.that would give you a few more dollars towards a 9700AIW. Have fun,and dont let the rugrats bite.

Reply to endyen

*cough* you call Samsung RAM not namebrand? Only those RAM with the brand name you never heard of are generic, Samsung is branded too!

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Reply to TKH

Thanks guys. I really appreciate the advice!!!!

I'm trying to decide how mad husband will be if I order the AIW 9700 pro or non pro instead of the 7500... Do you think it's worth it? My son will be 12 and does like to play games of course.

What should I use in place of the Plextor to save some bucks to put toward the AIW card? I want reliability and versatility.

I had problems with "generic" ram and my Asus P5A board, so I was trying to stay with ram from the Asus spec page to avoid conflicts. I do want to be able to overclock eventually when I have some extra time.... of course, who knows when that will be. Any thoughts on this?

My only problem with Western Dig HD's is the previous one I had did a spectacular rendition of a wood chipper one morning when I pushed the power button. I hadn't even messed in the case or moved it for several weeks prior to it's failure... At least Western Dig didn't have any problems sending me a new one after the tech heard the racket it was making over the phone, but of course I lost everything on it. So that said, should I return the Seagate and get a WD Special Ed?

Thanks,

Babyjo

Reply to babyjo

There is only one version of AIW9700, that's Pro version! You should really get Plextor to save some cash but I don't think the turn over can cover the AIW9700 though. I just think of another way out, you can get a Radeon 9100/9200, then get a capture card, Pinnacle got some good quality products, or Leadtek for cheaper price. Overall this would cut some cost and you'll maintain performance to some point. Most of the current games for 12yr old boy doesn't require much GPU power, unless you are getting him some MA15+ games... so a Radeon 9100/9200 should be more than enough for your budget.
And for the RAM, Corsair is the best and stick to them.
Western Digital WD1200JB is a fast and stable hdd to get, but Seagate is not bad at all, this is not some very big deal but you should take note that WD comes with 3yr warranty.

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Reply to TKH

I don't really see the point of a separate capture card and a Radeon 9100, when you can get both and a TV tuner in the 8500 AIW card (same GPU). Unless you don't want the tuner, in which case the separate parts would be cheaper. My son uses an 8500LE and a Sound Blaster Audidy to capture firewire miniDV video, and it runs smoothly on his XP 1800+ system, so I can't imagine any problems there. The 8500 is good all-around card.

I also agree the Plextor is probably overkill, but I'm not up right now on what the best buy is out there - best to check out the other forums.

And of course, all the other parts are great. I have the Barton 2500+ running on the Asus A7N8X deluxe, but I haven't tried the stock cooler with it since I have a Vantec Aeroflow (check out tom's review - it's a great cooler). The stock Barton cooler is currently sitting on top of an old Palomino XP2000+, and it works nicely there (the stock Palomino cooler ran in the mid-60s on normal usage, the stock Barton cooler is keeping it at the mid-40s, to give you a comparison). The Vantec Aeroflow kept both cores running in the mid-30s.

Enjoy your new system!

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Reply to selfbuilt

oh man, another woman?? are they multiplying??? i didnt see any mention of needing a capture card for analoge video. if your just capturing from a digital camcorder you just need a firewire port. if you do need an anoloug source input you should get a separate card for that. maybe the ati tv wonder will do? im not sure on capture cards stuff.

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Reply to jihiggs

Ah, true enough ... I was thinking of the 8500DV AIW, in case you needed the firewire port. But the Asus A7N8X Deluxe comes with the two firewire ports, so that's taken care of.

I still think that unless you do a lot of gaming, the 8500 AIW is good compromise for price/performance gaming and TV watching(compared to the 7500 and 9700 AIW models).

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Reply to selfbuilt

I don't see the use of a TV tuner for video editing. I wouldn't bother with an all-in-wonder unless you plan to watch TV on the computer.

I'd go with a cheap firewire card for video capture and the best video card you can afford... Geforce4Ti 4200, radeon 9500 PRO, and radeon 9700 non-pro are probably the best deals in their price ranges right now.

Reply to Cleeve

IF you've already bought the seagate then it's no use returning it. Not much diff anyways. Seagates are good too. I'm using one myself.

And now for some feedback for the above post: EEEEEEEEEEWWWWW :tongue: Jay Kay

Reply to jaythaman

I agree, there's no point in an AIW unless you want to watch TV on the computer (in which case I do indeed recommend the AIW over a separate TV tuner card and the potential conflicts that can cause). Otherwise, I'd recommend a Radeon 9500/9600 Pro as the best overall price/performance gaming card. However, the 8500/9100 is fine card for light gaming, and more than sufficient for video editing.

But there's no need for a Firewire card with the Asus A7N8X Deluxe - it comes with two built-in.

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Reply to selfbuilt

OK, I miss the point she mentioned Deluxe version.

So Babyjo, you can save your cash on the AIW card and capture card, and get the Radeon 9100/9200, so you can cut your cost and your husband won't be mad at you.

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Reply to TKH

a chick?!!?!

*looks around*

that knows how to build her own computer?!?!

......

did she say Barton?
*faints*

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Reply to phial

She hasnt been back since she originally posted her question. You guy's can all quit choking your chickens now.

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No GW we have to keep the thread alive to prove that she exists. There will be doubters.

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Sad..........

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Reply to GeneticWeapon

Once again, thanks guys!!!!

The Seagate hadn't shipped yet - still on backorder w/no ETA, so I canceled it and ordered a Western Dig Special Edition 120GB for $20 less than the Seagate after the rebate.

Straight from newegg - these are all three in my price range (as long as I make a new batch of homebrew for husband to keep him happy)..... which one will be best for VHS and DV tape to DVD transfer and just light gaming? Or do you have any other suggestions for this price range? A tuner might come in handy later when the computer is moved to the office (still under construction) but it isn't a requirement at this time.

ATI ALL-IN-WONDER RADEON 8500DV 64MB DDR AGP-BULK The revolutionary all-in-one 3D, TV and video experience Powered by the RADEON 8500 GPU 64MB DDR memory Connect a digital camcorder to a PC Digital and analog video capture & editing Radio-frequency remote control Stereo TV-tuner TV-ON-DEMAND Time shifting Interactive Program Guide DVD video playback with Dolby® AC-3 digital audio output
Specifications:
Graphics controller: RADEON™ 8500
Memory configuration: 64MB DDR
Max Res: 2048x1536 85Hz
Operating system support: Windows® XP: Windows® Me: Windows® 2000
Ports: DVI-I (15 pin VGA adaptor included) Stereo audio, S-video and composite video inputs and outputs External stereo connection to sound card's line input and output Dolby® digital stereo audio more info>
N82E16814102203 $163.00

ATI ALL IN WONDER 9000 PRO 64MB DDR AGP
Specifications:
Chipset:RADEON™ 9000 PRO Visual Processor
Memory:64MB DDR
Bus:AGP 2X (3.3V), AGP 4X (1.5V), or AGP 4X/2X universal bus
OS Support: Windows® XP, Windows® 2000, Windows® Me Windows® 98/98SE
Capture still images and analog video in MPEG-2 format at a resolution up to 720x480 and 30 frames-per-second
Powerful video editing software allows you to add effects, transitions, sounds, and more to video footage
ATI’s innovative TRUFORM™, SMARTSHADER™ and SMOOTHVISION™ technologies make 3D characters and objects incredibly realistic
Ports: DVI (VGA Adaper included) + S-Video and VIVO
Retail box (see pictures for details) more info>
N82E16814102274 $179.00

ATI RADEON 9600 PRO 128MB 8X AGP DVI/TV
Specifications:
Chipset:ATI RADEON 9600 PRO
Memory:128MB of double data rate SDRAM
Bus:AGP 4X (1.5V), 8X (0.8v) or Universal AGP 3.0 bus configuration (4X/8X).
Operating Systems Support: Windows® XP Windows® 2000 Windows® Me
4 parallel rendering pipelines
2 parallel geometry engines
Technology Features: SMARTSHADER™ 2.0, SMOOTHVISION™ 2.1, HYPER Z™ III+ TRUFORM™ 2.0 and VIDEOSHADER™
Max Res: 2048x1536 60HZ at 16.7M Colors
Ports:VGA + DVI + S-Video
Retail box (see pictures for details) more info>
N82E16814102276 $183.00

And GW old boy.... get your glasses fixed!!!!!!

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Reply to babyjo

~O.O

and she even has a sense of humor! omfg i am in total disbelief this is the craziest thing that i have ever seen in my entire life bar none

*faints*

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Reply to phial

I would say you should get the AIW8500DV for the analog video capture (and leave other jobs for the FireWire on your A7N8X Deluxe), simply because 8500 is better than 9000, that's why ATI has renamed the 8500 to 9100. And it's cheaper too
Although the R9600P is attractive but you'll end up getting another capture card for analog video which will hurt your pocket a bit. But I've said before, 8500 will run most current game for children more than enough until your son can play those MA15+ games.

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Reply to TKH

Thanks TKH, I didn't realize that ATI had renamed them. That clears up alot. I've been too busy with the kids for the past couple of years (and too tired now) to keep up on the latest in graphics cards. That's why I posted here to begin with, despite my reservations. I really appreciate your advice!!!!!!!!!

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