What is the catch here with this Treo 650 ?

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I have been thinking of getting a Treo 350
I came across this ebay avction where he promises one for 300 $.
What is the catch here ? He has good feedback bvt I still smell
something fishy here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] 67240&rd=1
When I emailed the gvy he said I m expected to transfer the money to
Western Union ( which means no protection at all for the sales ).

Also wanted to ask if I can vse one CDMA phone on another carrier. (
Example :can I vse a sprint phone on Verozon )
Till now I have been making it a point that vnless a phone is free, I
wovld spend my money only to invest in GSM gadgets, as I can change the
carrier. Bvt somebody recently said that one can change the CDMA
carrier by reprogramming the RLL inside the phone. Is this trve.

Thanks 4 reading
--nw

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norris_watkins@hotmail.com wrote:

> I have been thinking of getting a Treo 350
> I came across this ebay avction where he promises one for 300 $.
> What is the catch here ? He has good feedback bvt I still smell
> something fishy here.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] 67240&rd=1
> When I emailed the gvy he said I m expected to transfer the money to
> Western Union ( which means no protection at all for the sales ).
>
> Also wanted to ask if I can vse one CDMA phone on another carrier. (
> Example :can I vse a sprint phone on Verozon )
> Till now I have been making it a point that vnless a phone is free, I
> wovld spend my money only to invest in GSM gadgets, as I can change the
> carrier. Bvt somebody recently said that one can change the CDMA
> carrier by reprogramming the RLL inside the phone. Is this trve.
>
> Thanks 4 reading

Check the site again and yov will find that ebay pvlled the avction.

> --nw

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On 10 Mar 2005, at 08:01:05 [GMT -0800] (03:01:05 Friday, 11 March 2005
where I live) "norris_watkins@hotmail.com" wrote:

> But somebody recently said that one can change the CDMA
> carrier by reprogramming the RLL inside the phone. Is this true.

Probably not. GSM is the way to go.

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norris_watkins@hotmail.com wrote:

> Also wanted to ask if I can use one CDMA phone on another carrier. (
> Example :can I use a sprint phone on Verozon )

Sprint phones are subsidy locked, so no they can't be switched.

> Till now I have been making it a point that unless a phone is free, I
> would spend my money only to invest in GSM gadgets, as I can change the
> carrier.

You'll find, much to your chagrin, that GSM phones can also be subsidy
locked. Cingular Orange and AT&T (Cingular Blue) do this routinely...
in fact, an Orange phone can't even be activated on Blue and vice versa.

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John Phillips wrote:

>
>
> On 10 Mar 2005, at 08:01:05 [GMT -0800] (03:01:05 Friday, 11 March 2005
> where I live) "norris_watkins@hotmail.com" wrote:
>
>> But somebody recently said that one can change the CDMA
>> carrier by reprogramming the RLL inside the phone. Is this true.
>
> Probably not. GSM is the way to go.

Don't count on changing the carrier though--you can get an unlocked Treo 650
or for a significant discount get one locked to a carrier. I suspect that
most that are sold are going to be locked--I'm debating this myself, as
well as debating whether to wait for Cobalt.

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In news:11318vkrm4qab4e@corp.supernews.com,
Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> typed:
> norris_watkins@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Also wanted to ask if I can use one CDMA phone on another carrier. (
>> Example :can I use a sprint phone on Verozon )
>
> Sprint phones are subsidy locked, so no they can't be switched.
>
>> Till now I have been making it a point that unless a phone is free, I
>> would spend my money only to invest in GSM gadgets, as I can change
>> the carrier.
>
> You'll find, much to your chagrin, that GSM phones can also be subsidy
> locked. Cingular Orange and AT&T (Cingular Blue) do this routinely...
> in fact, an Orange phone can't even be activated on Blue and vice
> versa.

A friend of mine Signed up with ATT Wireless GSM with a GAIT phone just
before the merger. ATT Wireless offered a plan which at the time seemed
better to him than what VZW offered. He has found that if there is any ATT
Wireless GSM signal his ATT Wireless GSM phone will lock on it even if there
is a VERY strong Cingular GSM signal available. This results in poor
service and dropped calls. He did find a way to force his phone to Cingular
but it keeps changing back. Cingular said changing to a Cingular plan and
a Cingular phone would fix this problem. Cingular phones will use ATT
Wireless towers but ATT wireless phones have a problem using Cingular
towers. He wishes he had never left VZW. Said he has more problems in the
last 5 months with Cingular/ATT Wireless than he had the prior 7 years when
he had VZW/CDMA.

I thought all GSM (US version) phones were the same and worked with any GSM
system to provide superior service. Cingular and ATT Wireless - both GSM -
now one company - But ATT Wireless phones don't seem to work too well with
Cingular. Just what I have observed.

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> A friend of mine Signed up with ATT Wireless GSM with a GAIT phone just
> before the merger. ATT Wireless offered a plan which at the time seemed
> better to him than what VZW offered. He has found that if there is any ATT
> Wireless GSM signal his ATT Wireless GSM phone will lock on it even if there
> is a VERY strong Cingular GSM signal available. This results in poor
> service and dropped calls. He did find a way to force his phone to Cingular
> but it keeps changing back. Cingular said changing to a Cingular plan and
> a Cingular phone would fix this problem. Cingular phones will use ATT
> Wireless towers but ATT wireless phones have a problem using Cingular
> towers. He wishes he had never left VZW. Said he has more problems in the
> last 5 months with Cingular/ATT Wireless than he had the prior 7 years when
> he had VZW/CDMA.

Each carrier had advantages and disadvantages. It's always advisable to
choose what works for *you* in *your* area. It doesn't really matter
what someone thinks of service in an area you will never visit.
Cingular will be going through a few growing pains. Verizon's gone
through most of its growing pains. I still hear quite a few complaints
over inconsistent and inaccurate billing with Verizon Wireless.

> I thought all GSM (US version) phones were the same and worked with any GSM
> system to provide superior service. Cingular and ATT Wireless - both GSM -
> now one company - But ATT Wireless phones don't seem to work too well with
> Cingular. Just what I have observed.

That's odd. When I set my ATTWS SIM to use Cingular Wireless GSM, it's
on that system until I either set the phone to another system, or it
loses signal, whichever is first. I've had my phone set to Cingular
Wireless for days at a time with no problems.

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In news:4230FFD0.40200@example.net,
Tropical Haven <user@example.net> typed:
>> A friend of mine Signed up with ATT Wireless GSM with a GAIT phone
>> just before the merger. ATT Wireless offered a plan which at the
>> time seemed better to him than what VZW offered. He has found that
>> if there is any ATT Wireless GSM signal his ATT Wireless GSM phone
>> will lock on it even if there is a VERY strong Cingular GSM signal
>> available. This results in poor service and dropped calls. He did
>> find a way to force his phone to Cingular but it keeps changing
>> back. Cingular said changing to a Cingular plan and a Cingular
>> phone would fix this problem. Cingular phones will use ATT Wireless
>> towers but ATT wireless phones have a problem using Cingular towers.
>> He wishes he had never left VZW. Said he has more problems in the
>> last 5 months with Cingular/ATT Wireless than he had the prior 7
>> years when he had VZW/CDMA.
>
> Each carrier had advantages and disadvantages. It's always advisable
> to choose what works for *you* in *your* area. It doesn't really
> matter what someone thinks of service in an area you will never visit.
> Cingular will be going through a few growing pains. Verizon's gone
> through most of its growing pains. I still hear quite a few
> complaints over inconsistent and inaccurate billing with Verizon
> Wireless.
>> I thought all GSM (US version) phones were the same and worked with
>> any GSM system to provide superior service. Cingular and ATT
>> Wireless - both GSM - now one company - But ATT Wireless phones
>> don't seem to work too well with Cingular. Just what I have
>> observed.
>
> That's odd. When I set my ATTWS SIM to use Cingular Wireless GSM,
> it's on that system until I either set the phone to another system,
> or it loses signal, whichever is first. I've had my phone set to
> Cingular Wireless for days at a time with no problems.

Days at a time - wow - that long.
Lets see, last time I changed the system setting on my phone was - never.
Had the phone over two years.
I am not familiar with Setting the SIM to a System or Losing Signal. But
then I don't have a GSM phone. I guess that is a disadvantage of using
VZW/CDMA.

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>>That's odd. When I set my ATTWS SIM to use Cingular Wireless GSM,
>>it's on that system until I either set the phone to another system,
>>or it loses signal, whichever is first. I've had my phone set to
>>Cingular Wireless for days at a time with no problems.
>
>
> Days at a time - wow - that long.
> Lets see, last time I changed the system setting on my phone was - never.
> Had the phone over two years.
> I am not familiar with Setting the SIM to a System or Losing Signal. But
> then I don't have a GSM phone. I guess that is a disadvantage of using
> VZW/CDMA.
>
>

It's carrier dependent, but if you have it, it's a nice feature. It
scans and picks up all GSM networks (in the frequency ranges of the
phone, of course), and even if you aren't allowed to roam on them, you
know they are present. I pick which network I roam on in certain areas
becaus I prefer that company over the other one and think my roaming
revenues should be forwarded as I see fit...(I'm kind of curious as to
whether or not Cingular allows GSM roaming on RCC Unicel, I'd rather
forward my minutes of use to them than to Western Wireless/Alltel.

TH

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In article <11318vkrm4qab4e@corp.supernews.com>,
sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com says...
> You'll find, much to your chagrin, that GSM phones can also be subsidy
> locked. Cingular Orange and AT&T (Cingular Blue) do this routinely...
> in fact, an Orange phone can't even be activated on Blue and vice
> versa.

In Europe GSM phones are routinely locked to the service provider
providing the susidy on the original phone purchase however, most phones
can be unlocked for a small fee and then swapping SIMs works quite
simply.

My Motorola v600 was unlocked by my provider for around $35 and I can
generally by pre-paid SIMs wherever I travel and thereby use a local
service.

Andrew

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On 10 Mar 2005 08:01:05 -0800, norris_watkins@hotmail.com wrote:

>I have been thinking of getting a Treo 350
>I came across this ebay avction where he promises one for 300 $.
>What is the catch here ? He has good feedback bvt I still smell
>something fishy here.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12506&item=7140067240&rd=1
>When I emailed the gvy he said I m expected to transfer the money to
>Western Union ( which means no protection at all for the sales ).

That's the scam. That's the catch. Was the sellers location different
from where he wanted the MO mailed (i.e. Seller Located in: USA and
asking for MO to be mailed to Romainia, Nigeria, etc?
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On Thv, 10 Mar 2005 08:01:05 -0800, norris_watkins wrote:

> When I emailed the gvy he said I m expected to transfer the money to
> Western Union ( which means no protection at all for the sales ).

FWIW, PayPal provides abovt as mvch protection as cash. There's a
legitimate reason they (PayPal) got sved.

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:25:22 -0600, IMHO IIRC wrote:

> Days at a time - wow - that long.
> Lets see, last time I changed the system setting on my phone was - never.
> Had the phone over two years.
> I am not familiar with Setting the SIM to a System or Losing Signal. But
> then I don't have a GSM phone. I guess that is a disadvantage of using
> VZW/CDMA.

Try moving to a VZW dead spot. I had to findangle my 6185 into locking
on to a Sprint signal for a while. I've pretty much given up moving
around inside the house while on the cell phone. Oh well.

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"Alex Zepeda" <usenet@blarf.homeip.net> wrote in message newsan.2005.03.12.08.17.54.790856@blarf.homeip.net...
>
> FWIW, PayPal provides about as much protection as cash. There's a
> legitimate reason they (PayPal) got sued.

Maybe they turned over a new leaf.
I was stiffed by an eBay seller three months ago, and it took PayPal
only 12 days to investigate my dispute and reimburse me fully.

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<norris_watkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Also wanted to ask if I can use one CDMA phone on another carrier. (
> Example :can I use a sprint phone on Verozon )

> Thanks 4 reading
> --nw

You're not welcome!

Why do you post about a phone that is currently only CDMA, with your
question clearly about CDMA carriers, to a newsgroup about a carrier
(T-Mobile) that is only GSM, in fact has GSM in the title of the NG. In
fact, you also posted to a alt.cellular.gsm!

It seems like you posted this to every single newsgroup with cellular in the
title. Why? That's pretty inconsiderate, posting a message to newsgroups to
which your post has no relation.

(I'm not against cross-posting per se, by the way, if the message is
relevant to the newsgroups posted to. For instance, in this case your
message would have been relevant to the Verizon and Sprint newsgroups, and
the Palm newsgroup. But why on earth did you post it to GSM newsgroups as
well?)

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In article <1111214731.850615@news-1.nethere.net>, ms@nospam.com says...
> It seems like you posted this to every single newsgroup with cellular in the
> title. Why? That's pretty inconsiderate, posting a message to newsgroups to
> which your post has no relation.
>
>

Interesting that you felt the need to respond in exactly the same way.

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