June 4th, people...

The nVidia Crush and the desktop Palomino are likely to hit prime-time soon!

Let's make the good news <A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/19269.html" target="_new">clickable</A>!

Kelledin

bash-2.04$ kill -9 1
init: Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?

Good news indeed. However, questions -- can Athlon or any processor be made with a 128-bit front side bus? Will there be a pin count issue? Anyone cares to comment?

**Spin all you want, but we the paying consumers will have the final word**

Thanks. Dual-CPU certainly will be intriguing.

**Spin all you want, but we the paying consumers will have the final word**

"I'm surprised Intel didn't think about doing that with it's new Xeon chipset... "


maybe they tried, but were to busy e.g. P3 1.13GHz probs, Rambus probs, MTH probs, P4 TOO big probs (when you look at actual chip problems where is AMD)

Maybe crush will be adapted to the "value SMP duron" needs.

dual durons - small bussiness will eat that up by the truck load




however, we all start at the end and finish at the begining

What would be different between the "workstation/server" and "desktop" part though? If there was any difference, I would probably end up getting the "workstation/server" version myself.

Kelledin

bash-2.04$ kill -9 1
init: Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?

I have yet to see any conclusive information regarding the Northwood getting back its casterated FPU, does any one know for sure if it indeed will and if so do they have any links? Also, I was told at launch the only motherboard that will support the northwood will be equipped with pc-133. Is this true? Please, if any of this is true/untrue please provide links.

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ncogneto on 05/30/01 08:13 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

<font color=red>The P4 was originally designed as a 0.13 micron process CPU. In order to release at 0.18 micron, some tradeoffs were made. When the Northwood (0.13 micron process) Pentium 4 is released, it will have all of the original specifications, including the full FPU unit and 512KB of cache.</font color=red>

I do not doubt this but have yet to see any thing in print that conclusivesly states this.....links?

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!

Raystonn, that link is old info, and I really doubt its accuracy.
they refer to the .13 P4 as Tualatin about a dozen times.
it says nothing we don't already know.
show me a link from Intel. the word is official, man.
heresay is worth exactly what it takes to make it up.
nothing.

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Independant thought is good.
It won't hurt for long.

It referred to the copper 0.13 micron process as a Tualatin process. I do not really see anything wrong with that as this is the first CPU that will use this process. As far as links from Intel, no official information can (legally) be provided at this time.

-Raystonn

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my employer. =

I have no doubt that with the 0.13 micron process, your company should be able to implement full FPU and/or 512 kB cache. The question is timing. Will Intel go for smaller die size first (hence better yield and more chips per wafer) or upgrade its performance (not just clock speed) first?? I guess you are not allowed to tell us yet.

**Spin all you want, but we the paying consumers will have the final word**

LOL, yeah right what ever. In other words no information exist....... Nice try claiming to hide behind some NDA. However if this was true why would you have made the original statement? Furthermore, I asked a specific question, and asked for links. At first you answered the quesdtion with heresay and when asked for a link to back-up your statement you provided one which did no such thing at all and tried to incinuate that I was incapable of using a search engine. Now, that it has been poined out that the link you provided gives no such information, you cover your butt by saying no such information can be given legally??????? Yeah Ok? Why is this such a secret? Afterall the increased l2 cache of the northwood is easily documented? Perhaps the Northwood will still have the same FPU as the Williamette?

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!

Hold on a second now. I in no way was trying to start a flaming war here. I took offense at the implied statement Raystonn made here:

<font color=red>There are many links available on most search engines. Here is one Yahoo pulled up: http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/In [...] l&lt;/font color=red>

Now trust me, I well know how to use a search engine. And have done so trying to find conclusive evidence of the original question I asked which was this:

<font color=green>I have yet to see any conclusive information regarding the Northwood getting back its casterated FPU, does any one know for sure if it indeed will and if so do they have any links? Also, I was told at launch the only motherboard that will support the northwood will be equipped with pc-133. Is this true? Please, if any of this is true/untrue please provide links.</font color=green>

Now this was a pretty straight forward question. Raystonn then came back saying:

<font color=red>The P4 was originally designed as a 0.13 micron process CPU. In order to release at 0.18 micron, some tradeoffs were made. When the Northwood (0.13 micron process) Pentium 4 is released, it will have all of the original specifications, including the full FPU unit and 512KB of cache.</font color=red>

Ok, now if bound by a NDA as he later states, it would seem that this statement would be in direct violation of such an agreement. Point being, if he is under a NDA why would he even say this? should he just not skipped the whole bloody issue and stated he could not comment do to an NDA? Maybe he should have been a politician? And exactly what purpose would an NDA serve in this case? It has already been reported that the Northwood will include an increased l2 cache ( 512) so it is obvious that some details are not subject to an NDA, why would re-instating the halved FPU be included and this not? The only one I can think of that may possibly be is the fact Intel does not want to admit to a marginal current p4. Furthermore, he suggest a link that supports his claim here:

<A HREF="http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/Intel_Section/CPUs/P4_review.html" target="_new">http://www.a1-electronics.co.uk/Intel_Section/CPUs/P4_review.html</A>

Now tell me what does this have to do at all with the question I asked? Does this say anything at all about the FPU of the Northwood as opposed to improvements over the Williamette? No it does not!

So once again I ask "I have yet to see any conclusive information regarding the Northwood getting back its casterated FPU, does any one know for sure if it indeed will and if so do they have any links?"



A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by ncogneto on 05/31/01 04:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Raystonn is not the only one bound by NDA's.

But I know how you live on every word I muster so here goes.

Yes, P4 Northwood has full/Enchanced FPU over wilmette.

Yes, P4 Northwood cache is 512k

Yes, you are a dumbass

Im glad I could clear that up for you.

this is a quote taken from another Intel supporter CYBERIMAGE awhile back:

<font color=green>the P4 current is every bit as good as northwood,
and largely similiar, in architecture, with only differences
being Northwoods's
smaller die size to allow 2-3 ghz, and more cache to
compensate for higher speed,.. that's it !</font color=green>

please note he specifically states that the only differnce between the northwood and the Williamette is the increased l2 and no improvements to the FPU. He also states he is commited to a NDA. Ok, somebody is not telling the truth here. All I asked for was an answer to a simple question:
Will the Northwood get back its full FPU unit that was ommitted from the Williamette or will it too rely only on its SSE2 optimizations to excell?

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A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing!