T3 or T5

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0600, Roger <leica35@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My spouse has been using a Vx for some time and I have a T2. We'd like
>to get a couple of Palms that would support exchanging information
>between the two.
>
>I'm considering upgrading mine to a T3 or T5. The more I look at the
>T5, the more I think I'll miss the voice memo and other functions
>don't seem to outweigh the loss of the VM.
>
>What's this group's opinion of the two units (T3 and T5)?
>
>Are there other vital T3 functions that are missing on the T5? I know
>vital is a personal reference point, but that's what I'm asking; your
>personal insights.

I recently moved up to a T5 from a IIIxe.

I had planned to get a T3 but could not find one locally. I briefly
considered mail-ordering one, but instead opted to get a T5. I'm glad
I got it instead of a T3.

For me the big T5's plusses over the T3 are:
- it doesn't have a slider... considering how I use the T5, I realize
now the slider would grow to be a huge annoyance
- The large internal memory -- been loading up the "Palm side" of the
memory with maps and the "non-Palm side" with audio. Plus I can add an
SD card to it if I want, but so far haven't needed to.
- The fact that the T5 doesn't forget your data if the battery runs
out.
- The "drive mode" capability
- battery life. Iin comparison between my T5 and my girlfriend's
Tungsten T|E and from what I've read about the other units in the
Tungsten line, the T5 battery lasts a lot longer. In my typical usage
it should go for several days or the better part of a week between
charges, though I usually top it off at night or in the morning when
I'm getting ready for work. The T|E has a hard time getting through
the day.

The minuses:
I think I might have found the voice memo useful, but never having had
one, I can't say I miss it on the T5. I have other, more suitable
tools for getting audio when I need to and for the conditions I
typically work in.

I had to buy a cradle separately. I almost didn't get one, but I'm
glad I did. In getting the cradle, I got 2nd charger (which is lighter
than the one packaged with the T5 and comes with adapters for foreign
travel, should you need them) and I got a 2nd hotsync cable, handy for
when I'm running around or need to use drive mode when I'm out, which
has been a few times. The cradle is also nice as a charging station on
my desk. Less muss and fuss than a hotsync cable sitting out there.

I use the T5 with a Windows desktop and an Apple laptop.

One final, unexpected bonus plus for the T5: With its "face cover"
on, it fits perfectly in the slip-case that came with my PalmPilot
Professional back in the late 1990s.

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0600, Roger <leica35@yahoo.com> spewed forth these
words of wisdom:

>My spouse has been using a Vx for some time and I have a T2. We'd like
>to get a couple of Palms that would support exchanging information
>between the two.
>
>I'm considering upgrading mine to a T3 or T5. The more I look at the
>T5, the more I think I'll miss the voice memo and other functions
>don't seem to outweigh the loss of the VM.
>
>What's this group's opinion of the two units (T3 and T5)?
>
>Are there other vital T3 functions that are missing on the T5? I know
>vital is a personal reference point, but that's what I'm asking; your
>personal insights.
>
>Regards,
>Roger

I prefer the T|5 because of the full screen (no annoying slider), and the gobs
of extra memory (no need to swap out your audio files or documents to use Wi-Fi)
There is also some very nice improvements to the OS, such as the "cursor", which
allows you to use the 5-way navigator to toggle between buttons, or even areas
of the interface. Electron Hut even updated Klondike to allow complete control
of the cards with the navigator, and uses the hardware buttons to deal the
cards, and undo. :-)
The new Favorites launcher is very nice, and the File manager is pretty good.

--
"I'm not a cool person in real life, but I play one on the Internet"
Galley

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:53:09 -0600, Roger wrote:
>
>Are there other vital T3 functions that are missing on the T5?

For me, the fact that the T5 does not have silent vibrating alarms
makes it unacceptable.




Xavi
--
Dain bramaged

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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:50:13 -0600, Roger <leica35@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>I also need to be able to "charge" the unit from my USB, that
>eliminates the need for a palm specific transformer.

The T5 will charge, slowly, from a powered USB hub with the hotsync
cable. You don't get the "lightning bolt" icon on screen, but if the
T5 is turned off while hooked up, the voltage does increase. It would
take a long time to charge it up all the way, maybe longer than you
have. My experience with it suggests that it would take a day or so
for a totally flat battery to get to 100% via the USB charge.

>A cradle is nice for at my desk but I'm in a hotel conference room
>about half of my time and either bluetooth or infrared sync is
>preferred for the road. I prefer to keep my laptop infrared off due to
>interference with 40 other laptops in the room. Any thoughts on sync
>methods without being burdened by cables/cradles?
>
>I would have to add a bluetooth radio to my present laptop for sync.
>Any suggestions?

I have hotsynced by bluetooth. It works but it shocked me at how slow
it is. I've never tried it by IR. Carrying around a hotsync cable
isn't a big deal for me (and I need it anyway if I want to use drive
mode).

From what you describe, you may have to add the hotsync cable and the
charger to your laptop bag to use back in your hotel room. If you're
in a conference room, you could use the BT if you can afford to go
without using the T5 for 5 or 10 minutes (I guess it'll vary with how
much data you need to sync).

A few times my BT hotsyncs have gone 15 to 20 minutes, it seemed like.
I put the thing down, did other things, forgot about it, then heard
the Palm do it's "done hotsyncing" chirp. These hotsyncs had to move a
lot of data, such as AvantGo pages, some large data files, backup
newly installed software, etc.

>Thanks for the help. Your post has given me several things to think
>about.

You're welcome!

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But you can buy some special Charge/Hotsync-USB-cables. And with these
cables you can load your T5 very quickly.

Regards/Grüße
Thomas

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In article <2i7n011oe5v70i9d4ffebrg61cqfquh4h6@4ax.com>,
Roger <leica35@yahoo.com> wrote:

> My spouse has been using a Vx for some time and I have a T2. We'd like
> to get a couple of Palms that would support exchanging information
> between the two.

I started out with a Vx in 1999. Loved it until the touchscreen
became unresponsive.

> I'm considering upgrading mine to a T3 or T5. The more I look at the
> T5, the more I think I'll miss the voice memo and other functions
> don't seem to outweigh the loss of the VM.

Voice memo is over-rated. You still have to take the time to actually
listen to what you've recorded and then actually DO it! I found that
I never (and I mean, not ONCE) used the voice memo feature on my T, in
over a year's worth of use. Ditto on the vibrating alarms. Between
my laptop popping up reminders and just having an organized day, I
found myself annoyed when the Palm started buzzing all the time, too.
I finally just turned them off except on very rare occasion.

> What's this group's opinion of the two units (T3 and T5)?
>
> Are there other vital T3 functions that are missing on the T5? I know
> vital is a personal reference point, but that's what I'm asking; your
> personal insights.
>
> Regards,
> Roger

I upgraded to a T|5 this week and I love it. I like the larger,
high-res screen with no slider (yay!). I pinched a finger more than
once on my T and I'm glad to see that feature go. The T|5 lets you
click a virtual button on the screen to "slide" the Graffiti area on
or off the bottom. You can also click another button to go to
landscape mode which is great for reviewing documents, and the larger
memory is fantastic for this - now if you want to make it in a "do
anything toy" kind of box, you can dump a multi-gig card in either
one, I guess, but I've got a startlingly original view of that idea.
My Palm is still a business tool for me - addresses, telephone
numbers, calendar, tasks, expenses, etc. For music I've got 15
gigabytes of tracks in an iPod that's the size of a deck of cards.
For videos I have a Powerbook that's only 5.5 pounds tucked away in a
messenger bag that'll probably be stashed nearby anyway. In short,
the T|5 does everything my T did (or my M130 before that or my Vx
before that) but does more of it and does it better.

Sync'ing through Bluetooth is slower than with a USB cable but that
said, it's only REALLY slow the first time. Just a regular once or
twice a day sync is only a minute or two - but then again, I don't
dump tons of offline web-content into my mine, either. Again, if I
need that, I'll take my Powerbook into a wifi hotspot and get it that
way (with a bigger screen, to boot :-). I am concerned with the
durability of the new "Multifunction Connector" - I loved the cradle
designs used for the Vx and the Tungsten T (the M130 was terrible). I
don't understand why PalmOne has to be so stingy as to create a flimsy
connector design, especially one that requires an external power brick
to charge. If they want to see one done right, the designers just
need to buy an iPod and see how a solid, click-on connector SHOULD be
designed. And yes, the iPod can charge through a Firewire or USB
port, and there are tons of bus-powered external drives out there, so
there's no reason not to baseline USB charging on these new Tungstens.

So anyway, there's my take on the T5 after just a couple of days. All
opinions are subject to change with time, of course. Hope this helps
your decision process.

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T5 Bluetooth drivers have been updated to work with the Nokia 6230 and
other Nokias... the T3 has not.

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<no.one@no.gov> wrote in message
news:4210f97b.10754984@news.individual.de...
> T5 Bluetooth drivers have been updated to work with the Nokia 6230 and
> other Nokias... the T3 has not.
>

FALSE! See this link
http://www.palmone.com/us/support/ [...] elink.html

The phone drivers for the T5 are the same as for the T3.

Cheers
TC

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"Tiny Tim" <_tim_dodd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4218c522$0$26053$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
>
SNIP

>
> See Release Notes at the bottom of the page, which say.....
>
> Nokia 6230 and 6820:
> a.. When paired with Nokia 6230 and Nokia 6820, SMS and Dialing from the
> handheld are not supported on the following devices: Palm Bluetooth Card,
> Tungsten T, Tungsten T2, Tungsten T3 or Zire 72.
> NOTE: SMS and Dialing are supported on Tungsten T5.
>


Dang I hate that fine print at the bottom of the page. LOL

Of course I will note that it doesn't even show the Motorola V551 as
supported at all and I will say that it works just fine with mine.

TC