DDR now or DDR2 Later
Forum Motherboard & Memory : Memory - DDR now or DDR2 Later
it's my predicament. I want to upgrade my current rig but in a way that I can transfer some things to the next rig. I will eventually move from the 754 to the 939. I really want to buy 2 gigs RAM now. I was thinking of 2 crucial sticks DDR400 1 gig each. I know I will have to switch to a PCIe board and possibly SATAII later, but somet things carry over like a nice PSU, LCD display, IDE HD's etc. In your opinions, will DDR offer excellent performance possibilities with future upgrade potential in the next year?
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DDR2 is here to stay, which means that most likely AMD will begin to support DDR2 within the next few years, though they have not formally announced any DDR2 support yet.
If you upgrade to a new AMD system you will need to get DDR. But if you go with a new Intel based system, then you should get DDR2.
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i am a faithful AMD dude. but DDR2 slots are not backwards compatible with DDR, no???
K8T NeoFIS2R
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i am anticipating a move to dual core. in any event, 2X512? why not 2X1024? as it is, I don't get dual channel anyhow, but moving, eventually, to the new socket I know dual channel will be useful.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
Dual channel is less than a 5% performance advantage over single channel. The s754 has a 10% performance advantage due to clocking 200Mhz faster. It's a waste of money to go s939 for you.
When do you plan on going dual core? AMD is supposed to adopt DDR2 in '06 (Socket M if i remember correctly). It would suck for you to go 939/DDR in anticipation of a dual core upgrade sometime in the future and by then have a new socket released by the time you go dual core. Enjoy your current rig and when IT doesn't do what you need it to do, then upgrade.
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but i thought dual core would be backwards compatible with socket 939.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
It is. The point is that why buy parts for no performance increase now in order to do an upgrade to dual core later. When you do upgrade to dual core, there will be newer/shinier/more technologically advanced pieces of equipment to go with that new dual core CPU.
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That 3400 s754 will be as fast or faster than a 3500+.
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Ain't that the truth!
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well, the thing is you suggest 2X512 but that cost just as much as 1 gig on one stick. why not do that? one oddity of my MOBO is that it will only run DDR with 4 banks total. though I have 3 slots, I must use them wisely.
anywho, it would appear that one of the best full proof upgrades (in the spirit of THG's most recent article) would be a 300 gig HD for mass storage. It would appear IDE ain't going anywhere for a while and I don't see any storage devices for PCIeX4 sockets either. no doubt when they do come out, they'll cost an arm and a leg.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
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Antec Tru Power 550
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With a s754 I would recommend 1X1024MB. It has the best potential for OC and there is no performance hit since it can't do dual channel for the memory.
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NUTZ - I actually go that reading lots of reviews/articles.
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I just bought 2X1024 DDR400.
my thoughts? current 939 SLI boards use that memory and 2X1024 will keep many a man happy for a long time. good bye page file.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
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If you're planning on OCing, then you might want to downsize the RAM to 1X1024 for stability and higher OC potential.
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i don't overclock. But I do do some video editing. lastnight I got two sticks of these:
http://www.4allmemory.com/index.cf [...] _id=108914
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
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Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
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Uhh...there is no info on who makes the modules and what chips are on them.
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yep. sorry.
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Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
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No prob - They polled me when I left the site so I submitted a gripe about that issue.
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I paid that much for my corsair memory.. i hope they sent you some pretty good stuff for that price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145450
My PC:
Abit AX8 Socket 939 VIA K8T890
AMD Athlon 64 3200 Winchester
Sapphire Radeon X700 Pro 256 Mb PCIe
WD Raptor 37 Gb SATA
Corsair 2x512 PC3200 DDR Dual-Channel Platnium Edition
Knownalien - I didn't buy it. I WOULDN'T buy if I didn't know exactly what I was getting for the money. Their "guaranteed to work" gimmic doesn't impress me too much...
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as long as they garuntee to take it back. Buying RAM as you all know ain't the easiest thing in the world. You can have the exact same setup as another guy and buy the "same" sticks and run into problems. If computer DIY's is to boom, then these memory standards are gonna have to be addressed. I can go buy any IDE drive, CPU, Video Card and not run into 1/10th the compatibility issues as with RAM. I have Corsaires now. Getting them up and running on my MOBO was not without its problems.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
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Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
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would you have preferred this one?? Still no exact specs:
http://www.crucial.com/store/MPart [...] T12864Z40B
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
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Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
I like this <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220045" target="_new">Patriot</A>better for less money...
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having purchased a LOT from newegg myself, you have to wonder "what happens if you can't get the memory to work with my setup?" Newegg NOW charges a restocking fee. Believe you me. I was looking for a place that wouldn't do that and one way to get around that is to buy from a place that "garuntees" the memory will work. Newegg makes no such garuntees. Since I paid restocking fees for a Kingston 512 stick some time ago, I just won't buy memory from them. Their restocking fee is like 10 or 15% of cost. add that to the postage back to them and before you know it you have paid $25 to them to audition memory. This is what the market is coming to. Perhaps there are MOBO's less finicky than mine, but I am told that since the memory controller is on the CPU itself that memory issues are quite common and I just can't afford to play games. After all, I have had the current two sticks (see signature) for like 3 years!! I have waiting this long to upgrade waiting until I found the right venue for that. Newegg used to be that until they started charging re-stocking fees. I still buy stuff from them, but not something that stands a high risk of not jiving with my system. I just pruchased 20 DVD+R DL verbatims from them. Stuff like that is a no-brainer.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
Understood. We all have different preferences when purchasing and if that guarantee is what you want, then you are entitled to buy it in the cost of your RAM. Between the two you showed me I would go with the Crucial.
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right. I am not saying that the "garuntee" is gonna work. I am only saying that it, hopefully, gives me the right to not have to pay a restocking fee. That's it. As for the Crucial, I wanted it too. But it was $125 vs. $116. I was being cheap. 
K8T NeoFIS2R
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Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
Understand - I have a tendency to be cheap myself. $9 more (less than 10%) for the Crucial is just a better option in my book. I've always had great success with Crucial and memory is an area that I'm willing to pay small premiums for what I consider to be the better option.
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i assume you'll want to know what chips are on the sticks I get?? just FYI?
K8T NeoFIS2R
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Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
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Sure! Looked like generic RAM so they may be rebadged. Just let me know how they are labeled and we'll figure out what they are.
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<font color=red>You're a boil on the arse of progress - don't make me squeeze you!</font color=red><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Rugger on 07/22/05 08:56 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
the chips are AENEON. they have a web site but don't have my stick listed.
K8T NeoFIS2R
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Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
As Brent would say: "It sounds like second-tier memory." At least it's guaranteed - let me know the results you get when using it!
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Aeneon is Infineon second-tier memory.
Second-tier modules are never tested as thoroughly as major-brand modules (major being Micron, Samsung, Infineon). This makes them second in comparison. As a result, they are less widely compatible than major brand memory.
Crucial is nearly considered as Micron original memory, which makes it a solid choice in the consumer market.
examples of "second-tier" memory modules:
Infineon second-tier is <b>AENEON</b>.
Micron second-tier is <b>SPECTEK</b>.
Nanya second-tier is <b>ELIXIR</b>.
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well, right now they are set in the BIOS to auto settings. Prior to that, the two sticks in my signature ran at CL 2.5, 2, 7, 3. In SiSandra, the two new sticks read this:
Bank 0 512 DDR-SDram 3.0-3-3-3CL 2CMD
Bank 1 512 DDR-SDram 3.0-3-3-3CL 2CMD
Bank 2 512 DDR-SDram 3.0-3-3-3CL 2CMD
Bank 3 512 DDR-SDram 3.0-3-3-3CL 2CMD
it is running at DDR400.
At auto settings, Sisandra gave this result in the memory badwidth benchmarks:
RAM Bandwidth IntBuff'd iSSE2 2983 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE 2979 MB/s
I am about to run memtest64.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
Surprisingly, Aeneon is doing very well as a second-tier module both in terms of reliability and cost.
Aeneon is a relatively new memory brand, and is gaining wide-spread acceptance as a mainstream module. Should be interesting to see where it goes.
(based on general market info)
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metest86 ran fine but that was version 1.11. I just got the latest and will run it tonight.
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
See if you can get it to run stable with a 1T command rate.
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I don't see where I can change that (1T command rate) in the BIOS.
here, however, is a new problem which is freaking me out. first off, here are my MANUALLY entered timings in the BIOS:
CAS 3
TRCD 3
TRAS 3
Voltage 2.7
now, everything runs fine except that I cannot "Restart" the computer because it never posts. If in that "dead" mode I can hit the reset button and it reboots fine. However, and this is where it gets spooky, I can Shutdown and then power back up just fine. What in the world can that mean?!
K8T NeoFIS2R
Athlon 64bit 3400
2X256 Corsaire
Maxtor 40, 120
Western Digital Raptor 74 Gig
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
NEC LCD Monitor 1760NX
Antec Tru Power 550
Windows XP
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