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Maziar   07-09-2008 at 02:12:10 PM

Hello all :) hope u are fine :)

Well as most of u know i am going to get the SAGER NP9262 notebook and because it uses desktop CPUs i ask here
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/foru [...] 62-finally

Well there are many options availabe on this beast. There are many options for this beast E8400(Which is the stock model), Q6600(Adds $35), Q6700(Adds $65), Q9450(Adds $165) and Q9550(Adds $360)

I will do gaming,Photoshop and i am moving from an E6600@ 3.2, i though that Q6700 would be the best deal between these CPUs

what do u say?

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Maziar   07-09-2008 at 02:46:24 PM
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reasons?

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outlw6669   07-09-2008 at 02:50:52 PM
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E8400 for gaming and battery performance.
Q6700 for price and photoshop performance if you plan on keeping it pluged in.
I know it will probably not make that much of a diffrence with your battery life but every little bit helps.

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Maziar   07-09-2008 at 04:23:33 PM
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Thanks,i'm still waiting for a little more replies just to be more confident before i order

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Jake_Barnes   07-09-2008 at 04:29:34 PM
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This topic has been moved from the section CPU-Components to section Laptops & Notebooks by Jake_Barnes

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Maziar   07-09-2008 at 04:44:13 PM
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Well i posted because it was related to Desktop CPUs :)

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nukemaster   07-09-2008 at 07:21:39 PM
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Maybe you should downclock your E6600(from its 3.2) to 2.66 and see how you find the performance(it should perform similar to a Q6700 in single threaded and other apps that only use dual core only). This will give you a better idea of how your performance will feel.

If it feels too slow in games and other apps then the 8400 may be your best option. The 8400's optimizations do make it a bit faster clock for clock. so it would be the closest match to your current cpu.

If it feels just a small bit slower then the Q6700 will be more future proof. The speed will catch up as apps start to use the quad better.

If money is no object then the Q9550(i know i would not be able to afford it) is for you. Fast(compared to the Q6700) and quad core(more future ready). It also may produce less heat.

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Zorg   07-09-2008 at 07:38:46 PM
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^ Agreed. It's a notebook so you need to pick the speed that you can live with.

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Kaldor   07-09-2008 at 07:56:00 PM
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E8400 and be done with it. Dual Cores are still superior to Quads in most areas. If you legitimately need a Quad, get a Quad, but if your software dont use it, dont bother.

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Maziar   07-09-2008 at 08:35:52 PM
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Ok thanx alot for all the replies guys :) really appreciated :)

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lostandwandering   07-09-2008 at 08:59:46 PM
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nukemaster wrote :

Maybe you should downclock your E6600(from its 3.2) to 2.66 and see how you find the performance(it should perform similar to a Q6700 in single threaded and other apps that only use dual core only). This will give you a better idea of how your performance will feel.

If it feels too slow in games and other apps then the 8400 may be your best option. The 8400's optimizations do make it a bit faster clock for clock. so it would be the closest match to your current cpu.

If it feels just a small bit slower then the Q6700 will be more future proof. The speed will catch up as apps start to use the quad better.

If money is no object then the Q9550(i know i would not be able to afford it) is for you. Fast(compared to the Q6700) and quad core(more future ready). It also may produce less heat.



That's a good idea, something I didn't think about.

The new 45nm Quads will be more efficient, heat and battery wise, but as you've noticed there's a bit of a premium. Not sure the money you would put out would be worth the smallish gains of the 45nm's.

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TheGreatGrapeApe   07-09-2008 at 09:09:51 PM
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IMO use the Q6700 for longer term as quad support matures, especially as it end up going hand in hand with GPGPU maturity.

If you're worried about battery life, adjust the voltages to lower levels while keeping the speed up. We do that alot with laptop models and undervolting at stock speeds is quite common. The theory should work for desktops CPUs in laptops as well.

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Zorg   07-10-2008 at 01:41:14 AM
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The big power hog on his notebook is going to be the 8800mgtx in SLI anyway, no?

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Maziar   07-10-2008 at 07:56:24 AM
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Yes 2 8800MGTX are hot,like a desktop 8800GTX,BUT i have some bad news really bad news

something terribly bad happened :( i max have $2900 budget and this thing is $3500, so now i CAN'T get either a Laptop or a desktop (because a 24" monitor costs $1300)and i am giving this PC to my sister soon,so i dont know waht to do.This really have got in to my nerves,because i was really going to get it,i emailed many resellers, searched alot about it but at last i couldn't afford it,but thantx again for all the help,i learned alot from u

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Zorg   07-10-2008 at 08:01:54 AM
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Sorry to hear that.

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Maziar   07-10-2008 at 08:06:23 AM
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No i have to say sorry for u guys to take time to read my posts and at the end this happens....... :(

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Kaldor   07-10-2008 at 06:39:44 PM
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Zorg wrote :

The big power hog on his notebook is going to be the 8800mgtx in SLI anyway, no?



I agree. ATI is getting there, the 3XXX's are out there with the ability to use a discrete solution for gaming but switch to a low power solution for more mundane tasks. However the 8800 is still king for pure power. If ATI would concentrate on pushing the 4XXX to mobile they would do really well. Id love to see a 4850 or 4870 in a laptop in Xfire with the ability to drop back to a low power solution when then 3d cards aren't needed.

Maziar wrote :

Yes 2 8800MGTX are hot,like a desktop 8800GTX,BUT i have some bad news really bad news



Sorry to here this bud. Best of luck. Unfortunately Nvidia feels its necessary to gouge people $500 a card for a decent mobile solution thats using almost 2 year old technology. Puts a decent gaming laptop out of reach for the majority. WTB: more competition!

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Maziar   07-10-2008 at 06:53:05 PM
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Well something good is happening :)

I managed to find a XPS M1730 with this config:
Intel Core2Duo T9300 @ 2.5ghz with 6mb cache (sse4)
2x8800MGTX
4GB RAM
320GB 7200RPM HDD
17" With 1920x1200 resolution

it costs $2900

Here is something from anandtech about XPS M1730:
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3242

The 8800M GTX offers similar performance to the desktop 8800 GT 512MB. It has slightly slower clock speeds on the core and slower memory, but it still delivers good performance - great performance in a notebook

What do u think? i think the T9300 can handle Photoshop and Gaming well


Message edited by Maziar on 07-10-2008 at 06:54:05 PM
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cjl   07-10-2008 at 07:04:21 PM
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Absolutely. I'd get that in a heartbeat. That's quite a deal for a T9300+2 8800M's and 4 gigs of RAM. The 320GB high speed HDD is nice too.

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Kaldor   07-10-2008 at 07:17:13 PM
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Not a bad deal really. Even though I hate Dell with a passion.....

Myself, Id wait a few months, and save my money. Sager is supposed to be working on getting the 9800's in the laptops. In that time ATI could have a decent mobile solution out there too.

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Maziar   07-10-2008 at 07:18:59 PM
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9800MGTX has 112 Stream processors which would be roughly 10% faster than current 8800MGTX.Also i can't wait,my uncle will come in about 3 weeks so i have to tell him to buy it :)


Message edited by Maziar on 07-10-2008 at 07:19:27 PM
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Zorg   07-10-2008 at 10:55:03 PM
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It looks like a good deal. I must say I'm not necessarily a high end notebook fan, they are too costly. If you want the mobility and aren't worried about the battery, then it looks good to me.

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Maziar   07-11-2008 at 09:29:00 AM
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Ok thanks alot for all the help guys :)

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theworminator   07-11-2008 at 05:13:48 PM
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That configuration for the M1730 does look very good, the only thing I'm worried about is the Dell Customer Service, mostly on a pricey item like that. I'm sure the laptop itself is ok, but with the heat accumulating from all the parts, there is a higher chance of failure, and Dell isn't known for it's great CS.

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cjl   07-11-2008 at 05:32:13 PM
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Actually, Dell has a dedicated XPS support line that is the best customer service I have ever seen. Yes, their normal support sucks, but the XPS support is amazing, and this is an XPS product :)

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nukemaster   07-11-2008 at 05:32:39 PM
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I have only been hearing good things about Dell customer service lately(strange as it sounds). I think they realized that if they dont stand behind it, customers will not buy it.

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theworminator   07-12-2008 at 04:30:21 AM
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Sweet, I'm not slamming Dell (though I still don't completely trust them), but maybe they're improving their customer support, which will be good for the slice of consumers that still buy Dells. Good things to hear, hopefully they keep improving, along with Alienware.

As for the XPS support, I heard that they had it, but I've also heard some stories that they were (maybe at first) just as bad as their normal support. Again, good that they've gotten better at it.

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Maziar   07-13-2008 at 09:10:23 AM
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Well mate i just dont know what happened,my mother told me he will give me $600 and so i will get the SAGER!!!!!!!!!!!!

17" 1920x1200 resolution
Q6700
4GB DDR2 800 RAM
2x8800MGTX
320GB 5400 HDD(Well i have heard its as fast as a 200GB 7200RPM)


Oh i can believe it !!!! I will order it tonight and i am very happy,i was really worried about the Dell because u cant upgrade it like SAGER, also i choosed Q6700 because it was the best price/perfmance CPU between E8400,Q6600,Q6700, i downclocked my E6600@ 3.2 to 2.4 and i did some photoshop tasks and gaming, and i really didn't notice a difference,so i will go for Q6700.

Thanks for all the help again And if u have any last recommendations i am glad to hear it

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