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Hi all,
sorry in advance for the long post. Look at the below memory modules, there specs, and the prices.

512MB PC133 ECC
MICRON SDRAM DIMM
7.5NS 168PIN
UNBUFFERED
GOLDLEADS 3.3V SPD...399.00


512MB PC133 SDRAM
DIMM 7.5NS
GOLDLEADS 3.3V....389.00

IN STOCK, Crucial
512MB PC133
SDRAM Unbuffered
Non-Parity 3.3V with
life time warranty 813.00

IN STOCK, 512MB
ECC SDRAM PC100
CAS2 Registered,
Unbuffered.......570.00

IN STOCK, 512MB
ECC SDRAM PC-133
Registered,
unbuffered..........505.00

So , i want to put one module of 512 mb sdram 133mhz for my kt7a-raid mobo / t-bird 1200 266 fsb (when its out in a few weeks)
While shopping around and talking to abit, amd ,kingston, mushkin, and micron. ( yes i actually talked to a person on the phone from each company) i am left confused.
You learn something everyday and die stupid.
anyway if anyone has the abit kt7a-raid board and can offer there experiences and advice i would appreciate it.

Im not sold on micron . Abit recommended kingston but wouldnt officialy endorse any company.
I would spend the $ 800.00 for the memory vs $ 400.00 (see above) if the performance would justify it.

I havent ordered the set up yet as it totals out at $ 2,700.00 building it myself, no monitor or periphs, and my memory budget is $850.00

Should i buy 2 of the less expensive modules and run a gig of sd133 or will the more expensive 1 512 mb module outperform the i gig of the other?

Thanks for reading this long post.

any help would be great
ps. this system is going to be used primarily for a 3d online gaming machine replacing an amd k6-2 450.

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having a gig of ram will theoretically outperform a 512mg stick only because it is more ram. you REALLY don't need that much ram (1gig) unless you're going to be running a server. you don't want ECC ram unless you're running a server. it tends to slow down the system's operation. i personally would reccommend the micron non-ecc for 389$ and take the rest and get your self hooked up with a nice cable modem or something comparable. that will make your on-line gaming a much better experience than an extra 512mg of ram. but that's only if you have access to cable modem service where you live. otherwise more is better.

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Reply to toonces

512 mb ... for gaming that is insane...
unless you want to run servers...

256 mb is more then enough.. what os are u using?
Only win2k could partly justify this ..

i would rather spend my money an a better graphgocs baord / cpu or all sorts of extras.

Also in a few years but possibly sooner everyone will have DDR memory .. ..

but its you money





Hey man i dont know .. i just think i do !!

Reply to Anonymous

first off thank you both for taking the time to reply.
Also im sorry about the lenght of this post.
please read the whole thing if you can .....thanx

The motherboard i am using for the system i am putting together is the Abit kt7a-raid wich supports 1.5 ghz of sd133 ram. Since the board only has three dimms i would like to utilize its ability.
one 512 mb module will allow me to eventually add more if i ever find the need to without discarding a smaller stick.
my current set up allows for 384 mbs of sd100 ram so i used 128 meg modules and was able to upgrade as i went along.
also dsl or cable are not yet available to me.

Ive been waiting a year for a good connection.

I have had several systems that all required a degree of tweaking to enjoy them, now I want to put a system together that i can use / enjoy not tweak unless of course i get bored.
I am running win me.
my new setup is as follows except for the memory


ABIT
KT7A-RAID................................ 169.00
AMD Athlon
Socket A 200 /
266 FSB ATX


SUPERMICRO
SC760-A ATX Full........................ 169.00
Tower Case w
/Redundant
Cooling 300W
Power Supply
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 36 inch
UDMA66/100...................................12.00
DUAL E-IDE
80/40 PIN
Cable
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
24 inch
UDMA66/100................................... 21.98.......qty 2
DUAL E-IDE
80/40 PIN
Cable
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Universal
Floppy Drive..................................... 6.50

Ribbon Cable

Option: Order
without
Floppy Drive
(+4.50)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
18 inch
UDMA66/100....................................7.00
DUAL E-IDE
80/40 PIN
Cable
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Plextor
PlexWriter
PX-W121032A................................222.00

12X/10X/32X
EIDE / ATAPI
CD-RW -
Retail Boxed
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx TOSHIBA 40X.....................................77.00
Fast SCSI-II
CD-ROM
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Pioneer
DVD-U05S
SCSI II Slot.......................................155.00
Loading 10X
/32X INT DVD
Rom - Retail
Boxed w/ SCSI
Cable
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SONY 1.44MB......................................15.00
3.5in Floppy
Disk Drive
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Guillemot 3D
Prophet II GTS................................... 414.00
ULTRA 64MB
DDR AGP w/
TV-OUT - OEM
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Maxtor
DiamondMax
Plus 40.9GB.......................................163.00 .

UDMA
33/66/100
7200RPM Hard
Drive -
5T040H4
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sound Blaster....................................172.00

LIVE
PLATINUM 5.1
Sound Card
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subtotal for SHENTECH.COM
.......................................... 1603.48
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
AMD Athlon 1.267Ghz 3D NOW! (Socket A) with 1 year AMD
warranty (CPU only)266FSB ETA mid/late February

$???.................350.00
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
IN STOCK, Crucial
512MB PC133
SDRAM Unbuffered
Non-Parity 3.3V with
life time warranty ...................................................................813.00 or
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
512MB PC133 ECC
MICRON SDRAM DIMM
7.5NS 168PIN
UNBUFFERED
GOLDLEADS 3.3V SPD..................................................................399.00
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

total system startup price everything except extra hard drives

....................................$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 2 , 766. 48 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 2 , 350 .00 with the lesser ram$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you check out the available benchmarks youll see that ddr memory isnt that much faster and in some cases no faster than conventional.
benchmarked against the system im putting together my system was faster in some applications and just behind the ddr in others.
actually its possible for ddr memory to run slower at times.
ALso regarding ddr I spoke to Matt @ mushkin, and someone at kingston , and Micron and the one thing they all agreed on is that the only available ddr memory for sale now online is from companies wishing to dump there inventory because ddr manufactoring has been put on hold due to some changes that need to be made on the modules themselves.
So to buy ddr now would be a little nutty, also you cant have a mobo that supports both and im not waiting another 6 months for abit to catch up when i can have the proven technology and reliability of sdramm. on a board that supports a 266 fsb ( more than enough for gaming).
,the main reason for my original post was to see if someone could enlighten me on how can the originaly posted micron modules have such a difference in price. ( see above)
which one is for me?
wich is faster?
what exactly is the difference between the stick for $399.00 and the one for $800.00?
I realize that 512 mbs is a lot of memory, but ive been assured by AMD, ABIT , and Micron that this setup with 512 mbs will perform very well as there is no such thing as overkill if you can afford it.
I do some serving but not as much as when dsl gets here in march so i do want to be prepared.
this has got to be the longest post i have ever seen , if youve read this far you deserve a reward!
Look at those module numbers carefully and see if you can see the difference between them and how that translates into performance.
should i believe that more expensive is better?
Im not rich , but i love my computers and for me the money isnt an issue.
Ive seen similair systems on madonion scoring in the 11,000'
Thats what i want!

Reply to Anonymous

$800 for memory. Are you kidding!

I think I understand your desire to conserve DIMM slots. I have one question. Are you planning to use Windows 9x/ME? Because if you are you might want to rethink your plan. Windows 9x/ME has some kind of virtual memory restriction and if real memory exceeds this Windows blows and fails to operate. I'm pretty sure I saw a post regarding this in these forums. I think the memory size at which this happens is 768 MB. If this is true, two 512 Mb DIMMS will cause you a big problem. I'll try to find more information on this.

There is NO problem if you are using Windows NT/2K.

Reply to phsstpok

The problem actually concerns Vcache which, if I understand correctly, contains the addresses of the memory that is cached to disk.

This problem is worse than I thought. Apparently under Windows 9x/ME real memory should be restricted to 512 Mb total.

Rather than paraphrase incorrectly here is a link to a document at Microsoft.

http://support.microsoft.com/suppo [...] 3/9/12.ASP

Reply to phsstpok

Wow!
I love this place. nothing but information.
I read the artical and the "work around" wich gives me some ideas with another system i am runnung.
thanks again.
bye the way i have decided to bite the bullet and i have chosen mushkin rev 3 high performance 128mb module. 3 of them actually wich will keep me lower than the 512mb that was causing the windows me hang ups and stuff.
so what do you think?
I cant wait to put it together.
I am an independant contractor ( mason) and this time of year i dont work outside. So I was able to spend an absurd amount of online time reading and learning ,and next week I will have the money order. finaly.
thanks for all your help and advice , Toms hardware has been a great source of info on every subject from ata 100 controlers to motherboards and memory.
Its good to be home.

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