sp2 to sp1

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John;
Did SP-2 come installed on the computer or was SP-2 part of the installation
CD?
Perform a Repair Installation with a pre SP-2 CD should do it.
But you may have problems with the Product Key, Activation etc depending on
the versions involved.

Why do you want to downgrade the security of your computer?
Eventually you will need SP-2.

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"John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
> reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation? Ideally I would
> like to retain all apps during the process if possible.
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards

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How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875350

regards,
ssg MS-MVP

John wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
> reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation? Ideally I would
> like to retain all apps during the process if possible.
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
>

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The dell pc came pre-installed with sp2. I am having problem with one access
app which uses internet transfer control to post to a web site and it does
not work with sp2. All pre-sp2 pcs work fine. I have worked with an ISA
server MS guy (as all pcs are behind and sbs2003/Isa 2000 server) and he
thinks somehow sp2 is prohibiting the itc from sending user credentials to
ISA server hence ISA server responds by 407 Proxy authentication required.
Have spent a lot of time on both pc and server settings. Don't know what to
do except downgrade the pc to sp1.

Thanks

Regards


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> John;
> Did SP-2 come installed on the computer or was SP-2 part of the
> installation CD?
> Perform a Repair Installation with a pre SP-2 CD should do it.
> But you may have problems with the Product Key, Activation etc depending
> on the versions involved.
>
> Why do you want to downgrade the security of your computer?
> Eventually you will need SP-2.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:%232yazj%23YFHA.1092@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Hi
>>
>> Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
>> reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation? Ideally I would
>> like to retain all apps during the process if possible.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards
>
>

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If SP2 is included with your new Dell PC, it cannot be uninstalled
or removed. Therefore, you cannot downgrade your system to SP1.

Using programs and hardware with Service Pack 2 (SP2)
http://support.microsoft.com/xpsp2swhw

Some programs 'seem' to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/842242

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"John" wrote:

| The dell pc came pre-installed with sp2. I am having problem with one access
| app which uses internet transfer control to post to a web site and it does
| not work with sp2. All pre-sp2 pcs work fine. I have worked with an ISA
| server MS guy (as all pcs are behind and sbs2003/Isa 2000 server) and he
| thinks somehow sp2 is prohibiting the itc from sending user credentials to
| ISA server hence ISA server responds by 407 Proxy authentication required.
| Have spent a lot of time on both pc and server settings. Don't know what to
| do except downgrade the pc to sp1.
|
| Thanks
|
| Regards

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I have got a couple of new pcs coming in the same configuration. If I
repair-install with sp1 before installing any app, would that work?
Obviously I can always completely wipe off and start with sp1 on a pc but
whatever is quickest.

Regards

"lucyfer" <lucyfer81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi John,
>
> I noticed that your SP2 is pre-installed ,so cannot be removed
> separatedly.
> "John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk>
> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ4vhhYFZFHA.2756@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Would any of these method required re-installing apps?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> "S.Sengupta" <ssengupta_@msn.com> wrote in message
>> newsiuJc5%23YFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> How to remove Windows XP Service Pack 2 from your computer
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875350
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> ssg MS-MVP
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
>>>> reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation? Ideally I
>>>> would like to retain all apps during the process if possible.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>
>
>

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> No. There are no SP2 uninstall files with a preinstalled SP2
> installation. An attempted Repair Install using a SP1 Windows XP CD
> will fail because SP2 would have to be uninstalled first.
Hi,

Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD will
actually remove SP2.

From
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

<quote>
Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD
will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied.
</quote>


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Hello Torgeir -

SP2 cannot be removed if the original SP2 uninstall files do not exist,
such as the case with a preinstalled Windows XP installation with SP2
already slipstreamed in at the factory.

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"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" wrote:

| Hi,
|
| Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD will
| actually remove SP2.
|
| From
| http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
|
| <quote>
| Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD
| will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied.
| </quote>
|
|
| --
| torgeir, Microsoft MVP Scripting and WMI, Porsgrunn Norway
| Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
| the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] fault.mspx

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If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.

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"R. McCarty" wrote:

| I think the point of contention is that if you perform a "Repair" install
| with any earlier XP version disk, you will remove whatever SP level
| existed. But you are right that embedded or Slipstreamed disks do
| not have a SP roll-back capability.

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If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
>> you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
>> the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.
>
> Please somebody, ask him if he has tried this himself? He won't see this
> post of mine.
>
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Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?".

A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If the
Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a slipstreamed
version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled.

I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original RTM
Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted
the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in Windows Explorer.
The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed.

With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the
SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not exist,
therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install using
a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD.

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"R. McCarty" wrote:

| If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
| I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
| else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
| need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
| that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
| out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?

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Hi Torgeir,

If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the retailer
(with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre SP2 files
supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are you possibly
talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In that case, would there
be product key complications, and where could this be procured from. I hate
to say this, but Carey might be right this time?

Please verify, thanks.

"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.Bakken-spam@hydro.com> wrote in message
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> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>
>> No. There are no SP2 uninstall files with a preinstalled SP2
>> installation. An attempted Repair Install using a SP1 Windows XP CD
>> will fail because SP2 would have to be uninstalled first.
> Hi,
>
> Carey, that is wrong, a Repair Install with a SP1 Windows XP CD will
> actually remove SP2.
>
> From
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> <quote>
> Please note that a Repair Install from the Original install XP CD
> will remove SP1/SP2 and service packs will need to be reapplied.
> </quote>
>
>
> --
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> Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
> the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] fault.mspx

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
> CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
> removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.
Hi,

No, you will not...

I have just tested this:

Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 2 is installed.

Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
files, everything goes smoothly.

After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.

Conclusion:
With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
$NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.




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Well I'm late with my results, but a VPC with XP-SP2 was
repaired with the original "Gold" version CD-ROM. Worked
as expected, no issues. The SP2 XP instance was slipstreamed
so no SP Uninstall or ServicePackFiles factored into the test.

"Torgeir Bakken (MVP)" <Torgeir.Bakken-spam@hydro.com> wrote in message
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> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>
>> If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1
>> CD, you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be
>> removed and the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.
> Hi,
>
> No, you will not...
>
> I have just tested this:
>
> Clean install using a WinXP CD with SP2 slipstreamed. Now I have a
> WinXP SP2 installation where the $NtServicePackUninstall$ and
> ServicePackFiles folder does NOT exist. Winver.exe reports that
> Service Pack 2 is installed.
>
> Then I use a WinXP CD with SP1 slipstreamed and do a repair install
> following the instructions in step 1 to 6 that is listed here:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> I get no error messages about incompatible service pack levels or
> files, everything goes smoothly.
>
> After the repair install is finished and the computer reboots, I have
> Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. Winver.exe reports that
> Service Pack 1 is installed, and e.g. the Security Center is gone.
>
> Conclusion:
> With a repair install, you can remove SP2 for WinXP even when SP2 was
> slipstreamed into the OS install media, or if you have deleted the
> $NtServicePackUninstall$ folder.
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Administration scripting examples and an ONLINE version of
> the 1328 page Scripting Guide:
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] fault.mspx

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> If you attempt to perform a Repair Install using a Windows XP SP1 CD,
> you will get an error message that the SP2 files cannot be removed and
> the Repair Install will fail and subsequently abort.
Hi,

That did not happen for me when following the instructions here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

This on a slipstreamed WinXP SP2 installation (so the
$NTServicePackUinistall$ folder did not exist).

The computer ended up with WinXP SP1 installed.


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Dilip wrote:
> Hi Torgeir,
>
> If the computer was supplied with an SP2 slipstreamed CD from the
> retailer (with WinXP SP2 slipstream installation), where are the pre
> SP2 files supposed to come from whilst performing the repair? Are
> you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk altogether? In
> that case, would there be product key complications, and where could
> this be procured from. I hate to say this, but Carey might be right
> this time?
> Please verify, thanks.

There are no key changes between SP1 & 2. As long as you are using the
same type of XP, OEM SP1 to repair a OEM SP2 install. Or Retail SP1 to
repair a Retail SP2 install.

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>> Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
>> altogether?
>
> Yes.

Well yes, then, of course this would work. The problem might be getting one
of those disks from the manufacturer. There was never a doubt in my mind
that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed with an SP1 disk - I've
deleted all the uninstall directories and done this earlier (I've messed a
*lot* with installations :-). The real deal was to *get* this disk from the
OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2 disk was supplied originally) which I suspect,
they may fuss about. Has anyone tried this?

>
>
>> In that case, would there be product key complications,
>> and where could this be procured from.
>
> As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original WinXP SP2
> OS installation, there will be no product key complications.
>
>
>> I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time?
>
> Nope.

No surprises there; we all know it 8-).

>
>
>
> --
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Dilip wrote:
>>> Are you possibly talking about using another SP1 disk
>>> altogether?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Well yes, then, of course this would work.

Not according to Carey. He categorically denied that it would work.

> The problem might be
> getting one of those disks from the manufacturer.

"Is there anyway to bring down an sp2 machine to sp1? Possibly by
reinstalling from xp sp1 cd on top of a sp2 installation?"

One would presume that the OP already had access to the SP1 CD, if he
was asking whether is could help in downgrading to SP2 to SP1.

> There was never a
> doubt in my mind that a roll back of SP2 to SP1 could be performed
> with an SP1 disk - I've deleted all the uninstall directories and
> done this earlier (I've messed a *lot* with installations :-). The
> real deal was to *get* this disk from the OEM (if a slipstreamed SP2
> disk was supplied originally) which I suspect, they may fuss about.
> Has anyone tried this?

I don't see that as a relevant question in this thread. But I doubt an
OEM would supply any CD media that it is not required to supply.

>>> In that case, would there be product key complications,
>>> and where could this be procured from.
>>
>> As long as the WinXP SP1 OS is of the same type as the original
>> WinXP SP2 OS installation, there will be no product key
>> complications.
>>> I hate to say this, but Carey might be right this time?
>>
>> Nope.
>
> No surprises there; we all know it 8-).

LOL! At least most of us know it.

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
> out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?".
>
> A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If the
> Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a slipstreamed
> version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled.
>
> I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original RTM
> Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted
> the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in Windows Explorer.
> The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed.
>
> With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the
> SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not exist,
> therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install using
> a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD.
>

Are you really that dense? You've got to be lying about actually trying
it because I just did it yesterday and so did Torgeir. Clean install
from an XP Pro SP2 CD, then a repair install from an XP Pro SP1 CD. No
errors, period. Not even a re-activation required. The box is now
running XP Pro SP1.

Steve

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David Candy wrote:

> Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you
> don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you
> threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee
> computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to
> conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people
> without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter
> psychobabble.
>
> FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.
>


ROFLMAO! You're too much David!

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David Candy wrote:
> Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you
> don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you
> threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee
> computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to
> conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people
> without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter
> psychobabble.
>
> FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.
>

Yes, but can you teach him how to copy and paste it, David?! ;-)

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kurttrail wrote:

> David Candy wrote:
>
>>Come on Carey defend yourself. I can teach you how to swear if you
>>don't know how. I can teach you to be really abusive. I can show you
>>threads by your namesake (who interviewed Doug Knox on some yankee
>>computer radio show with ads on baldness and weight loss) on how to
>>conduct a strategic offensive. I can show you how to humilate people
>>without swearing as well by clinically disecting someone with utter
>>psychobabble.
>>
>>FIGHT!!!! Email me for tips.
>>
>
>
> Yes, but can you teach him how to copy and paste it, David?! ;-)
>

LOL!

Do you really think he needs any help with that?

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kurttrail wrote:

> lucyfer wrote:
>
>>Have you ever tried? I don't aggree with you base on my experience.
>
>
> Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve. And
> so did R. McCarty.

I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.

I can attest that I not only tried but suceeded and it went rather
quickly, too. No errors, no problems, no re-activation. As a matter of
fact, I actually went the extra mile and did it twice, once with an
upgraded to SP2 XP Pro install and once with a clean install of SP2 XP
Pro and it worked in both cases exactly the same.

>
> All three are well known as being quite technically knowledgable, and
> are men of integrity, and even if I don't always agree with them on
> matters of opinion, I respect them.
>
> You, who knows you but other disreputable demons?!
>

This is one reason why I hate crossposting, the devil always shows up
sooner or later.

Thanks for the respect and compliments Kurt, I assure you it is mutual.
If we always agreed conversations would likely get even more boring
around here.

Steve

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Steve N. wrote:
> Steve N. wrote:
>
>> kurttrail wrote:
>>> Go back to HELL. Torgeir tried just yesterday. And so did Steve.
>>> And so did R. McCarty.
>>
>> I must have missed R's report, I'll have to look for it.
>
> Doh! Brain-fart. I even replied to him. Nevermind.

LOL! At least brain-farts don't smell. Just too bad they hardly ever
happen in private!

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Carey,
You're full of it, we do this every day with PC's that are delivered
with SP2 installed at the factory. We pop in the SP1 CD, do the repair
install, and install all hotfixes applying to SP1 except the SP2 update.
There are no "UNINSTALL" files as the CD's accompanying the PC's has SP2
slipstreamed in - that's why MS always says to reinstall "hotfixes" and
"service packs" as applicable after a "REPAIR" install - it brings the OS
back down to the baseline found on the CD and/or image.

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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Q: "Does that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will
> take
> out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?".
>
> A: Only as long as the "uninstall" files for the Service Packs exist. If
> the
> Service Pack uninstall files do not exist, as in the case of a
> slipstreamed
> version, then the Service Pack cannot be uninstalled.
>
> I have actually tried performing a Repair Install using the original
> RTM
> Windows XP CD or a Windows XP CD with SP1 after having deleted
> the SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) in
> Windows Explorer.
> The only repair install that will work is with a Windows XP CD with
> SP2 slipstreamed.
>
> With a new computer that comes preinstalled with Windows XP SP2, the
> SP2 uninstall file directory ( $NTServicePackUinistall$) does not
> exist,
> therefore SP2 cannot be uninstalled manually or via a repair install
> using
> a pre-SP2 Windows XP CD.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/se [...] hoose.mspx
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "R. McCarty" wrote:
>
> | If necessary, I'll do a Repair on a Slipstreamed SP2 XP VPC. But
> | I've never seen a repair install do any type of vision checking. Why
> | else would all documentation on Repair install make mention of the
> | need to reapply Hotfixes and Service Packs after completion. Does
> | that not imply that whatever baseline version disk you use will take
> | out all updates & patches released after that version disk ?
>

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Star Fleet Admiral Q wrote:

> Maybe Steve N could be a little nicer, but Carey does have a habit of
> spouting off about things he is totally incorrect about, and then trying to
> make the ones who are correcting him look foolish. I knew a guy in
> high-school like that one, after he got his butt kicked a few times in
> college, he quit doing it - strange how that works (not saying we should
> kick Carey's butt either), just Carey needs to focus more on "QUALITY" than
> "QUANTITY".
>

Carey doesn't pay attention to "nice". But don't take my word for it,
take his.

-Steve


Carey Frisch [MVP] Oct 10 2004, 3:59 pm
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfri...@nospamgmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:59:52 -0500
Local: Sun,Oct 10 2004 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: You give MVPs a bad name

Steve wrote:

"

Look, Carey, I'm not really trying to attack you personally, but
dog-gone it, you have got some really bad habits and I and others have
tried in various ways to point them out to you. Are you really so dense
and/or egotistical to summarily dismiss such criticisms without
considering that some of them may actually have valid points that you
might be able to learn something from and (heaven forbid!) actually
IMPROVE your performance here? Come on! Nobody can possibly be that
arrogantly egotistical to believe they are as perfect as you apparently
believe yourself to be. No one is above reproach, not even you.
I dare you to be honest

.."

My reply:

Indeed, many of the criticisms of my contributions to the Microsoft
newsgroups
do not fall on deaf ears. I sometimes get a bit cranky, edgy,
defensive, etc., put then
I reflect back and do my best to make adjustments. And believe it or
not, it was
some of the harshest and/or sarcastic criticisms that made me take note!
I am also
a Taurus, and as a stubborn "bull", I'm a bit slow to readjust.
Apparently, I was
nominated twice for an MVP award a few years ago, but never got it. I made
some significant adjustments and finally earned the award, but it took a lot
of determined effort. Now that I have earned the award, it is incumbent
upon me
to become even more proficient and accurate with my posts, and to
reflect a positive
attitude toward Microsoft and Microsoft products (although I'm not at
all pressured
to do so). So, there you have it.

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User