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i wanna upgrade my comp . but im confused whether i should go for amd or intel.
with the new phenom II processors amd is back in the game so im confused between e8400,q6600,q8200 and amd phenom II 920
i will be using my pc for gaming mostly and some encoding,decoding.
i was also wondering whether getting a quad core will be future proof as recent games and programs have started to use all the four cores if present.
plz suggest me as to wat i shoul buy.

thank you.

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I suggest you get an Intel Core 2 Quad.
If you have the money i7 is better.
Check out these charts:

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Reply to evongugg

thank you for such a prompt reply!
no i dont have money to buy an i7 basically i dont wanna spend more than $200 on the proccy as i have to save cash to buy gpu,mobo,ram,psu etc etc kk. since amd is cheaper and the phenom II is really becoming popular so giving it a thought

Reply to sid_nag17

my uncle who builds computers as a side job always recommends Intel

Reply to jadavis1992
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A budget of $200 still works with duals and quads other than the i7, you just have to be more careful with your shopping. However if cost is an object then you can save a little money by getting an Intel E5200 or E7200 along with a good aftermarket cooler and a good motherboard and overclocking it. These processors are low priced and capable of a good overclock. Then put the savings into a better video card.

Yes a quad core might be more future proof, but it would squeeze your budget too much now to gamble against what software writers might or might not do in the future.

Reply to cadder

unless you plan on playing GTA IV on your PC then you have no reason for a quad-core right now unless you can get a good deal on one. going AMD quad isn't worth it anyway sense there cheapest quad core is only a dollar cheaper than intels cheapest quad core. at least that's the way it is on new egg

Reply to captaincharisma
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Have you looked at the AMD triple core's like the X3 720 Black Edition ??
It has 6m of on board cache and should go in either AM2+ amd AM3 mobo's the difference seems to be in the HT link,nothing that a user would really notice,,,any how it has been getting some interesting reviews..:)

Reply to dokk2

Definitely check out the Phenom II X3 and X4.

And keep in mind that LGA775 has no future upgrade path while AM2+ and AM3 do.

Reply to turboflame

if you ask me, get the x3 720

Best bang for the buck and overclocks like hell, and even 5 year old can do it

Reply to rawsteel
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^ lol

depends on what you do with your computer bro. photoshop + multitasking + video encoding/editing , sound encoding / editing is best left to the mighty quad core.

but:

it is in my belief that duals will still run games for a few more years. this is because of the market - most people do NOT have quad cores. they, at best, have dual cores. you really have to appeal to the market. sure you can make a game that needs a quad core processor but imagine how much money you are going to lose in the end. that being said, there are games that run on quad core processors ie: GTA4. however, that game is such a luxery items you really need the best of EVERYTHING to be able to run it maxed out. a simple dual core/quad core will run it fine but there will be graphical differences between the two. that being said, however, the game runs fine on either. infact i enjoyed playing it more on my 360 than i did my computer simply because of the easy controller and touch sensitive braking + accelerating for the vehicles.

only time will tell if i am correct so if you dont want to take chances then I would go with an AMD phenom quad core. phew.. what a rant.

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Reply to werxen

Best choice (fastest) is easily the Phenom II X4 920, its a kick ass processor. The best for the money might be the Phenom II X3 710, it is fast and at a very good price.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven
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^yeah [joke] especially since you can just enable the 4th core in the bios and have a cheap quad core [/joke]

phenom 2 are great processors.

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Reply to werxen

That might be actually possible, though even if it is I REALLY doubt any good will come of it...

Reply to The_Blood_Raven
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yeah i have the same feeling. im still very skeptical unless by some freak accident some korean guys managed to get their hands no a couple phenoms that did not have the 4th core disabled.

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Reply to werxen

Well there have been actual reports of it working on other forums, though they are far from proven. I want a review of the damn thing by a professional to see A. if it is possible or B. if you can gain performance and not lose it. The only thing I can see that 4th and likely half dead core doing is limiting overclocking and likely performance.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Guys - I'm guessing you're referring to the article on the THG home page:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/a [...] ,7080.html

Can it really be so simple?

Reply to JohnnyLucky

Probably not, but we can dream.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Even if it is legit it supposedly only effects a specific batch of CPUs and it can only be activated on certain mobos.

Reply to turboflame
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JohnnyLucky wrote :

Guys - I'm guessing you're referring to the article on the THG home page:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/a [...] ,7080.html

Can it really be so simple?



yeah there we go! now the word is officially out! anyone taking bets? :lol:

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Reply to werxen

exactly X3 CPU'S are just defective AMD quad cores so if you enable the 4th core you will have allot of problems. just like intel Celeron's were just defective Pentium's

Reply to captaincharisma
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since you are a dollar person, just grabbed off newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103472
is under $200, and since it is a quad it should be very good for encoding, could also be overclocked reasonably. From what I am aware (definitely needs checking) the motherboards for AMD are also slightly cheaper.
Alternately, the q9400 is an option for intel, but from the price and relative speeds (i believe core 2 and phenom are roughly equal clock for clock), I would definitely reccommend the AMD option

Reply to spuddyt
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^ pretty much what i thought. yeah it might work for whatever reason but it is pointless. i can overclock my CPU to 5 gigahertz but if its not stable its not faster than my cpu at 4.5. interesting find though... if its legit.

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ATI 4850 oc'd 680/1158 with aftermarket Zalman
Asus P5Q Pro mobo
2 gigs 800 Corsair ram @ 4-4-4-12
Reply to werxen

there are a lot of choices and i am pretty much confused. i wanna go for amd coz its cheaper and gives me more for my money but i am having second thoughts coz this is the first time maybe ill buy an amd rig at the same price range u get the e8400 and the legendary q6600 and the newest q8200 so having a tought time deciding

Reply to sid_nag17

and i checked out some reviews seems that the phenom II x3 720be is a better processor than the e8400 and is cheaper too. wat do you people think?

Reply to sid_nag17
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if its between the 8200 and the q6600 go with the Q.

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2 gigs 800 Corsair ram @ 4-4-4-12
Reply to werxen

The Phenom II 920 will outperform the Q6600 and Q8200. The Phenom II X3 710/720/730 will out perform the E8400 for much less. The day of buying dualcores is nearly over. There really is no reason to buy one at that price range since plenty of quads for around the same money can perform the same or better and will do much better in the future.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

@ the_blood_raven

thats the whole point im not going for the e8400 or the new x2 7750be the athlon is a good proccy but is dual core which is soon going to be outdated so triple core ar quad core will be a better option and for my needs i guess the x3 720be or the x4920 will suffice rite?

Reply to sid_nag17

That is the general consensus, yes.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

or take the change on the AMd Phenom II X3 720 and see if you can enable the 4th core like some people have already done. And it is cheaper than Intel E8400 and any of the Phenom II X4's.

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Reply to blackpanther26

If your looking at any of the Intel duals, double check on the AMD X3s. They might be slightly behind in gaming, but the extra core really helps with media work. WM might not be able to use odd numbers of cores, but other programs can and do. The X3 isn't that much slower for gaming either, around or less then 10%. (so 54FPS instead of 60)

Some other thoughts. If you get one of the new Phenoms, remember to buy DDR3. Depending on your motherboard choices and price of DDR3 ram, it might actually be cheaper to get an Intel 8xxx/9xxx and DDR2. If however your willing to give up some speed inorder to save some $$$, newegg as the 9950BE CPU for less then $150.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103291

Buy this and 4GBs of Ram, and you could have a quad core CPU and 4GBs of ram for $200. Not bad at all. The 9950 wasn't that much behind the Q6600, not sure how it compares gaming wise with the 8400, etc.

Last, if we had some budget info, we might be able to help a bit more.

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Reply to 4745454b

Don't go with Core 2's the 775 socket is dead, there's nothing more powerful than what's already out to come.

You don't need to get DDR3 with a phenom II, just if you have an AM3 mobo, get low latency, high speed DDR2 if you get an AM2+ mobo which will save you a few dollars.

Go for the X3, it'll save you $50 over the 920 and if you get one where you can enable the fourth core, it will be just as powerful.

Reply to Helloworld_98

ya i i wud like to enable the fourth core but alas biostar mobos are not available here in india atleast not where i stay so i was thinking of possibly two configs:

1st: amd phenom II 920 + GA-MA78GM-S2HP or GA-MA78GPM-DS2H

2nd : intel c2q 6600 + Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L


i also gotta save some cash for gpu. im planning to get a radeon 4850. the 9800gtx + is good but overprices the radeon gives almost the same performance

then have to buy a psu and ram ofcourse.

so plz suggest guys which one to pick and for mobos i dont plan to crossfire or sli so a single pcie2.0 slot should be enough

Reply to sid_nag17

btw i really dont understand about the latency timings of a ram could some1 pllz explain it to me thanx!

Reply to sid_nag17

Tough call on those chips. I know the 940 is better then the 6600, I'm not sure about the 920. I say get whichever is cheaper. People said S775 is dead, so is AM2+ AMD switches to AM3 soon (S938?) which is the socket that requires DDR3. (thanks for the reminder hello.) Get whichever is cheaper, put the money saved into the video card.

Ram timings is the number of clock cycles that must pass before X event can happen. This means the smaller the number, the faster things will happen. I wouldn't worry to much about everything as it has little overall impact on real world benchmarks. Buy CL4 if you can and CL5 if you can't. Here is a link for some general background info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency

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Reply to 4745454b

hey thanks man!!

the q6600 is for rs.10500 i.e =$211
the amd 920 is for rs.10300 i.e=$207

but the only thing holding me back from the q6600 is the 65nm technology and the processor is quite old but performs well though im not quite sure if its better than the phenom 920

does the amd mobos support ddr3 as well as ddr2 on the same mobo(the new ones supporting socket am3) sorry for the noob question!
if not wat about the above mentioned mobos are they any good?

Reply to sid_nag17

or should i wait till the new batch of phenom's get launched? really confused lol

Reply to sid_nag17

Someone might release a motherboard that supports both, but I wouldn't count on it. Perhaps you should get the 920 now, AM2+ board, and DDR2 ram. When you have funds again, you can get the DDR3 motherboard and ram. Unless I've got my wires crossed again, you should be able to drop that 920 into the AM3 motherboard and use the new mobo and ram. Can't do that with the Q6600. Its also going to save you $4, so there really isn't any reason not to.

I don't care if its made with 130nm technology. If it performs well, what difference does it make? The Q6600 is a great performer, its just a touch to expensive where you are.

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Reply to 4745454b

but i wont be upgrading anymore till atleast a year and half after this thats why want something that will pull me through till that time and im going to game at 1280*1024 now later will upgrade my lcd to a 20" or 22". i guess both the platforms are more or less the same but i tend to favor the amd platform more at this point of time. which mobo would u suggest for the amd proccy?? i dont need a very high end mobo just something which has a single pcie2.0 slot and can has moderate overclocking facility.

Reply to sid_nag17

Seeing as your not in the USA, what motherboards are available to you?

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Reply to 4745454b

most brands are available here in india. i prefer gigabyte, msi or asus motherboards

ill send u a link to an online indian shopping site with latest prices so that u get an idea.

www.theitwares.com

prices are given in Indian rupees plz convert it. thank you

Reply to sid_nag17

check out this site

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels [...] =4036&ph=5

here the phenom II 920 easily beats the q8200 and the q6600

so the phenom II is actually better than the quads priced at this level!!

Reply to sid_nag17

oh 1 more question - do socket am3 ready mobos support ddr3 as well as ddr2 ????

Reply to sid_nag17

Without knowing your budget, I'm not going through a site to see whats available. Pick a couple of boards you like and can afford, I'm sure we can vote to see which is the best.

AM3 boards support DDR3, AM2/AM2+ boards support DDR2. The current PhII chips support both AM3 boards and AM2+ boards, and DDR2/DDR3 memory. Once AM3 starts shipping, then AM3 only CPUs will arrive. The current ones have two seperate memory controllers in them, the next ones are supposed to only have the one DDR3 controller.

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Reply to 4745454b

k so the current amd 920 cpu is of am2+ socket which means ut supports ddr2 as well as ddr3 on the am3 ready mobos rite?

and my budget is around a 100$ and there are a couple of boards i mentioned above so if u could kindly suggest me 1 thanx

Reply to sid_nag17

hey where is every1??

Reply to sid_nag17

A gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2HP is a great little board if you plan on only 1 GPU, might need a BIOS update though.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

ya im planning on 1 gpu and will it support ddr3 if i update the bios?

Reply to sid_nag17
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