First Attempt at Building my System
Forum Homebuilt Systems : New System Build - First Attempt at Building my System
Hi i'm new here, sorry if this is in the wrong place.
Someone from the Escapist forums suggested I come over here and post my question on building my system.
I've currently got 2 laptops a Dell XPS M1710 and I think an M1530 (i can't remember the second one) but they don't run Games too well so I'm planning to sell one and use the money to buy parts and build my own system.
I've got a Dell Dimension 5000 that I was planning to rip out and use the case or any spare parts I can out of that (like 1GB Crucial RAM I can reuse)
But I'm looking at these parts:
nVidia GeForce 9800 512Mb
Intel Dual Core processor E5800 (I think)
and a WD Raptor 150GB 10,000RPM
but I don't know what Sound Card and Motherboard to get. also is the Dimension case good enough to put all this stuff in or will I need to buy another? What about the fans, heatsink and power supply will I need to get a new lot of those?
Sorry for the all the question but this is my first attempt at building my own system and I'm a tad nervous
Thanks for the help
hey, the dell dimension series is BTX layout, this means that your case is not suitable because everythings in the wrong place lol. for a case i would reccomend the antec 300 or the cm 690. for psu i would reccomend a corsair, 600w should be enough, although get bigger if you plan to add more stuff etc. for a mobo- i would say get the p5q pro if you dont plan on sli, dont know much about the nvidia chipset mobo's so afraid i cant heelp there. also, unless you are set on a 9800, an ati 4870 or 4850 may be a better option.
hope this helps
Philip
Cool thanks I'll go with the Antec 300 (its cheaper
) but what Series Corsair? I'm mainly going to be buying off Amazon.co.uk and there is only 620w and stuff so what kind of thing? Also does the PSU depend on the motherboard?
So would the p5q Mobo work with everything above? Because I heard that pin size and everything has to match up. So adding what you suggested:
Motherboard: Asus P5Q Pro
Processor: Intel E8500 Core 2 Duo Proccesor
G. Card - nVidia FeForce 9800
HD: WD Raptor 150Gb 10,000 RPM SATA
RAM: Kingston + Crucial 3Gb DDR2
Would all of this be compatiable and work? Also can you suggest a sound card and PSU? Can I not just use the Heat Sink out of the Dell Dimension?
Is there anything else I'm forgetting?
Thanks
Try to get a Velociraptor 150GB, not a Raptor 150GB. It's a lot faster.
If you get the P5Q Pro (Crossfire motherboard), get a HD 4850 card instead of the 9800 because the 9800 doesn't do Crossfire.
650TX
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CM [...] 915&sr=8-1
Sapphire HD 4850 dual-slot
http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-T [...] 936&sr=8-1
Velociraptor 150GB
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149434
Storage disk: WD6400AAKS
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Di [...] 090&sr=8-1
The P5Q Pro and E8500 and Antec 300 are very good choices.
You'll also need Vista Premium 64-bit for DirectX 10 playing.
I'd get 2x2GB RAM. It make a huge difference in games over 2GB. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2 [...] y-better/5
Mixing RAM brands is risky. I'd try to add the existing 1GB over a new 2x2Gb kit for a total of 5GB, but take it out if the combination is not stable.
Message edited by aevm on 10-17-2008 at 07:59:31 PM
9800GT or GTX? I would suggest the 4850 instead of the GT or the GTX and the 4870 would be even better.
Message edited by ausch30 on 10-17-2008 at 08:39:27 PM
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| Vampiric Puppet wrote : Cool thanks I'll go with the Antec 300 (its cheaper |
The PSU depends primarily on the vga card. Quality is very important for the PSU. Don't scrimp there. Quality units come from Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, PC P&C, to name a few. A PSU from any of these vendors with the requisite number of 6/8 pin pci-e connectors will do the job. A 9800GT needs one 6 pin pci-e connector, while at the high end, the 9800GX2 requires a 6 pin connector and a 8 pin connector. Which 9800 did you have in mind?
I would agree with aevm on getting a 4gb kit in a 2x2gb configuration. Mixing ram can cause problems. Some motherboards are very sensitive to ram types. 4gb is definitely worth it.
Onboard HD sound is very good. Sound cards can sometimes have driver problems. I suggest that you keep it simple and try onboard sound. You can always add a sound card later.
The E8500 retail box will come with a heat sink. It will do the job, but it can get noisy when the cpu is under load and the fan ramps up.
---good luck---
| ausch30 wrote : 9800GT or GTX? I would suggest the 4850 instead of the GT or the GTX and the 4870 would be even better. |
The GTX, as nice as the GT was I couldn't afford £500 for a Graphics Card.
4850? Is that Radeon? I heard the nVidia one was better? Will they both work with my Motherboard?
OK so If I go with the Corsair that aevm suggested, but which HD would you suggest?
The one for eBuyer or from Amazon? The caviar blue from amazon is quite a bit cheaper which is nice and helpful but is it bad?
What RAM would you suggest? Kingston? Crucial?
Also do all games that come out work on Vista 32bit AND 64bit, cos I thought I remembered a while ago a game that wouldn't work for 64 but would for 32. or was I drunk at the time?
| Vampiric Puppet wrote : The GTX, as nice as the GT was I couldn't afford £500 for a Graphics Card.
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I was talking about the 9800GT or 9800GTX, in your OP you only said 9800. Yes the 4850 is an ATI card and it is better and cheaper than either the 9800GT or 9800 GTX.
aevm is a wise man and I would agree with all his suggestions except I would substitute the Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB or the Seagate ST3640323AS for the Velociraptor he suggested. It's really a matter or personal preference and I prefer spending less money on more storage but if your going to be doing things that cause you to move large files or you do a lot of encoding or decoding then the Velociraptor might be something you want.
This is the RAM I would suggest.
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Yeah I originally was looking at and meant the 9800GTX. But if th 4850 is cheaper and better than I'll go for that one thanks!
For the Hard Drive I won't be storing large files but mainly games on it because I have an external HD i can keep important files on anyway, but I admit at being a little confused. Do you mean get the Seagate ST3640323AS instead of the Western Digital ones? The Velociraptor was really expensive and I need to drive the price down quite a bit someone suggested that a 10,000RPM was good because of faster loading times for the Games.
That looks like good RAM I'll see if its on amazon.co.uk later and use that then thanks.
I actually didn't see that aevm had suggested the WD6400AAKS as a storage drive I think that's the drive you should go with as your boot drive. It's a fast drive and very inexpensive, much cheaper than a Velociraptor. If you decide down the road that you want a faster drive you can always buy something else and use the AAKS as storage.
Message edited by ausch30 on 10-18-2008 at 10:17:52 AM
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-Aristotle
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Unfortunately the Mushkin RAM was quite expensive on Amazon and there wasn't much of it.
So I think I have everything that I will need. Can you guys tell me if it is compatible? Also how do you know it is? So I can tell in the future?
Motherboard: Asus P5Q Pro
Processor: Intel Dual Core E8500 3.16MHz
Graphics Card: Radeon HD 4850
HD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 640Gb SATA2
RAM: Crucial 4Gb (2x 2Gb) DDR2
PSU: Corsair 650W
Case: Antec 300
So will all of these be compatible? And Work?
Anything else I'm forgetting?
Everything looks good, it should be a very good system. Enjoy, if you have any questions getting it together just ask.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-Aristotle
Reply to ausch30
Cool thanks a lot man, I'm going into town today to see if the shop there can quote me a lower price than the £600 on Amazon. I'll post if I have any questions.
Thanks a lot guys
You're the best
Sorry for the double post but it wont let me edit.
Would it be work with Vista Home Ultimate 64bit? Will all games work with 64?
the 10,000 rpm drives are fast but unless you use something that is hdd intensive there is not point (games are not even close)
the psu is more than you need 500w would be fine but on the outher hand its good to have room fore upgrades
could save a little with a e8400
go with a non-standard cooler on the 4850 the original is very loud and hot
what speed is the ram? go fore 800 its a good buy
and yes 32bit programs will work in 64bit win the only problems is with drivers and with a new build that does not come into play
and go with home premium ultimate is not needed and go fore the 64bit
What do you mean a non standard cooler? Specifically for the Video Card?
the standard cooler is the one that amd originally gives the makers to use so they come out first. such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121253 they work fine and do the job
but makes sone after they make ones with non-standard coolers to get better cooling, quieter operation, and allow fore overclocking
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121272 is a good example
| Vampiric Puppet wrote : What do you mean a non standard cooler? Specifically for the Video Card? |
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814131112
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814125237
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814261027
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814127370
Take a look at these. The first has the reference cooler and the others use non-standard coolers. There are also aftermarket coolers available for video cards but in some cases they void your warranty. Look at some reviews and see what people say about the effectiveness of the different coolers the different companies are using. There are ways to make the factory (Reference) cooler perform better and buying a card with an aftermarket cooler will likely cost a little more but the choice is yours.
Message edited by ausch30 on 10-18-2008 at 09:24:02 PM
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obido [...] TI4YR8LRR0
This is the one I'm buying and it looks like it's got a better fan than the first reference link but I can't really tell. So is it a better fan?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102770
This is a link to the same card on Newegg. Read the reviews (and take with a grain of salt). Generally the card gets positive reviews and looks like a good choice.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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AH ok thanks, it looks like quite good.
I do have one question though, when I put it together will I need a kind of paste thing for the processor? And will that come with it?
Also I've got a Grounding Wrist Strap but seeing as how I'm Legendarily Thick where do I attach the clip on the end? The Case?
You know how sometimes when you touch another person or a door knob, you get a shock. That is the current you need to get rid of before you touch your electronics. Some people swear by grounding straps but I've never used one and I've never had a problem. The biggest thing is to touch something metal before you touch any of your components to release any built up charge.
You will need TIM (Thermal Interface Material). If you are planning on using the stock heatsink then there will be a small patch of it already on it that will melt, and fill and voids, when you first turn on your computer. Most aftermarket TIM is more efficient at transferring heat and arguably the best of those is Arctic Silver 5.
Message edited by ausch30 on 10-19-2008 at 07:02:03 PM
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Ok, so will I need to apply the paste? Or are you saying it should already be applied? And is that just for the Processor?
All the parts are ordered and the delivery should be Thursday or around then, hopefully it should all go well. Although I didn't really order the wires, I assumed they would come with some of the parts that needed them. If not I will just try to use the Dimension 5000 ones. If not I'll panic and buy from a Retail store
All the cables you will need should come with your motherboard. If you are using the stock heatsink then there will be TIM already on it but if your using an aftermarket cooler then you will need to buy some. If you use aftermarket TIM like Arctic Silver 5 with the stock heatsink you will need to wipe the factory applied TIM off before using it. AS5 with a stock heatsink would decrease your temps by a couple degrees but the only real reason to use it is if your overclocking and using an aftermarket cooler.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-Aristotle
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Here's a picture of the cables you get with the P5Q Pro. It should be enough for 2 SATA hard disks and an IDE burner, or a SATA hard disk and a SATA burner.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Show [...] -%20Retail
In general, hard disks and burners are shipped without cables these days.
Message edited by aevm on 10-20-2008 at 03:27:27 PM
The Hard Drive I've ordered is SATA2 I think. I don't mean to be a muppet but will that still work with the SATA cables? or will I need others?
It's just fine, no worries. Whenever you read SATA these days it's actually SATA2 anyway.
Check out these sites too, you might find some sales:
www.ebuyer.com
www.scan.co.uk
http://www.overclockers.co.uk
Ok so most of the parts have arrived (Except the RAM) and I'm trying to put it together.
Everything is in the correct place in the Case but I'm having one major problem. The Wiring, because I'm new to this I don't know where all the connecting wires go and how to make the Hard Drive slave or master. Can anyone tell me? or point me to a website that helps?
Thanks
It's a SATA drive. There's no concept of slave or master any more. Just connect the power cable and the SATA cable, that's it.
Yeah but I don't know which is which, where all the cables go on the Motherboard. In other words I've got the Corsair PSU and all the appropriate cables and wires but I don't know where they connect to the motherboard and to each other.
I think I've got the motherboard power supply right, the VGA power supply right and possibly the Hard Drive. But as the for the rest of it I'm totally lost. Help!
Here are some tutorials if you want. Plenty more if you use Google, of course.
http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/step-1-materials-required/
http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/pc-building/
The psu will have more cables than you need. Just tuck the unused ones away. Connectors are keyed so that they only fit one way. Don't force anything. The motherboard should need a 24 pin conector, and a second 4/6/8 pin power connector. The sata devices will need a sata power connector(thin flat ). You can use several sata connectors on the same lead if you want. A sata signalling cable needs to connect the device to the mobo. The ends are the same, and plug them into any of the sata ports on the mobo. Read the case directions carefully to see how the front panel connectors are labeled. Match that up to the mobo documentation.
Ok so the RAM just arrived but there is one major problem.
What I appear to have ordered is Crucial 2GB 200PIN DDR2 SODIMM
My mobo does accept DDR2 but it says DIMM not SODIMM and the RAM slot is much longer.
So basically I'm asking if there is any way what I have will fit or if there is another slot in my Asus P5Q Pro that the RAM I have will go into.
Damn... Don't try to force it in, you'll just damage the RAM and/or the MB.
Return it.
You need something with 240 pins. Here are some examples:
G-SKILL - PC2-6400 CL5 2 x 2 GB DDR2-800 PC Memory £49
http://www.amazon.co.uk/G-SKILL-PC [...] B000RJH32C
Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered £40
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130429
I'm not sure how much each charges for shipping. I suspect the second one will be cheaper anyway. I tried to pick something reasonably priced, rather than overclocking RAM. If you're interested in overclocking there are more expensive types that will help with that, like this one:
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 DHX Memory Non-ECC Unbuffered CL4(4-4-4-12) £62
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142433
Ah cool thanks mate, also can you mix RAM brands? I mean I've got some old Crucial I was thinking of re-using but can I use it alongside some Kingston.
As long as they are both DDR2 DIMM would that be ok?
And thanks for all the help you've been great
It will often work, but it's risky. If both types work well at the same voltage, it should work. I guess you can try it. Download memtest86 and let it run for a night. If mixing produces instability at least you'll know right away.
But will it damage the mobo or any other component if they do produce instability?
I don't think so. Your day might be ruined though, if the PC reboots before you saved your document or in the middle of a game. Anyway, if memtest86 manages to run for several hours and doesn't cause a reboot and it doesn't find errors then you should be safe. TBH I wouldn't bother, but RAM prices are lower where I live.
OK I'm being Captain Spackypants again today but I'm having trouble booting up.
The Machine is fine but it gets to the point where it says "Reboot and select proper Boot Device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key"
In the BIOS the CD Drive is first but what CD do I need to put in there? The OS? The CD that came with the Motherboard? Because none of them seem to be working.
You need to be sure that not only is your optical (CD) drive first but that you have your hard drive listed right after it in the boot order. Also if your board has an onboard RAID controller, make sure it's disabled otherwise the board will be looking for a RAID array to boot from. You should also have an option in the BIOS for choosing your hard drive order. I don't know how many drives you ended up using but just make sure that the drive you intend on using as your boot drive is first on the list. Also some motherboards identify flash drives under the hard drive list in the BIOS. If you have a flash drive plugged in and if it's on the list of hard drives then just make sure it's last.
You should be using the OS disc at this point, not the disc that came with the motherboard.
Message edited by ausch30 on 10-31-2008 at 04:15:18 PM
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I'm guessing the disk that came with the motherboard is not even bootable. Asus can't include Windows on their DVD after all. You'll need that DVD after Windows is installed, to get drivers from it. Mind you, it's often better to just ignore that DVD completely and get the latest drivers from Asus' Web site instead.
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