PLEASE, wtf with these matters?
Forum Homebuilt Systems : General Homebuilt - PLEASE, wtf with these matters?
I can't find ANYWHERE the COMPLETE system build, i mean COMPLETE, from openinx each component's boxes to be seated in front of it playing crysis.
Each and everything i've seen about homebuilt systems just covers hardware setup on the motherboard and computer case... and that's ALL.
What about software setup and everything from that point? it is not like when you install everything (hardware) you turn up the system and it tells you, "Hello, hope yer having a good day, just feed me the OS CD so i can do all the work", and next thing you just use your computer as a manufacturer-built system.
I mean what do you have to install before? what driver after which one? and you just feed the cd's of each component into the cd bay or what?
As you can see i'm quite clueless... so if you can tell me (or direct me to a page where they can) about setup JUST after you put together all your hardware i will be grateful.
Thanx for reading. If there's anything i can help you with, dont hesitate and tell me.
What OS are you tring to install? Simple answer to your question.
I'm asuming you know how to install a windows OS and MB drivers:
1. Install operating system. You would have bench tested your system and be able to go into the system BIOS and set the first boot device to DVD in order to do a clean install. After setting the first boot device to DVD, insert the OS CD in the DVD tray and Save and Exit out of BIOS. When 'select any key' comes up to boot to the OS CD, tap any key. Do this only once until you go back in to BIOS after the complete installation process and set your HD as first boot device.
2. Next install the MB drivers and utitilities. This software come on a CD with the MB. Some companies like ASUS have a one button click that will install all the system drivers. Later go to the MB's product page online and download and install any updated system drivers/utilities.
3. Install video card driver. You might have the latest driver burnt to CD at this time.
4. Go online and get all the OS updates.
5. Recommend installing an Anti virus/spyware program at this time.
6. Install any personal software you will be using, Adobe, MS Office, etc....
I can't explain it any more simple than that.
Message edited by badge on 08-27-2008 at 05:29:10 AM
check out hardwaresecrets.com,,,look under tutorials,no doubt there will be some useful links,,and you can try the following link.........
http://compreviews.about.com/od/tu [...] rdware.htm
For Vista clean installation, halfway down the page, 'To install Windows by performing a clean installation'.
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/W [...] 71033.mspx
You can always go to downloads.com and click windows starter kit. It has a bunch of free ware that you can download to have a "complete" setup.
I recommend looking at the list and seeing what would be useful and downloading only what you would use. I mean, why download a online picture editing program if you are going to install Photoshop, etc.
We can't really tell you what programs to get without a deep understanding of what you are planning on doing. If you are a business user you would probably want MS office where as the home user can probably get by with open office....
Yeah, OP is sketchy about system specs and what He plans to put on the system to say the least.
So what comes between hardware assemble and OS installation?
I mean beacuse i GUESS one has to install drivers and controls and those things so that components recognize one another so they can start working as a whole compuer
And what would come first then?
I guess firs recognition has to be of the processor... then... RAM or what?
Or is it like they are just Plug-n-Play i place the processor, then RAM and the only thing that has to be recognized is the GPU?? And what about CD/DVD bays?? Are they recognized automatically? and mouse/keyboard???? and what if, say for example, my case; i will be using an HDTV as my standard screen??? it plays automatically or what?
Thanx for your help men.
| FolkLore wrote : So what comes between hardware assemble and OS installation?
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I'm not sure what you are asking. I'm not sure you understand the basics of computer assembly and software/driver installation. Well, you would want to assemble the hardware and have the system POST to BIOS. Then you are ready to attach your hard drive and DVD unit, if you have not already done so, and proceed to load up your OS. Once you get that baby installed the screen will come on and your OS Device manager will be busy displaying the detection of your system's hardware. Then, when you load up that MB CD with the system drvers, the Device manager will be a happy place showing the installation of all your system's needed drivers. With a video card driver, you'll be rolling right along with your build. Update the OS, install some online protection and load up your games. You will have to learn how to tweak the BIOS a little, but your BIOS functions are explained briefly in the MB manual. Take your time. One way to learn this system building is to have taken a few systems apart (haha) and maybe watch someone install an OS sometime.
Message edited by badge on 08-27-2008 at 06:09:22 AM
Thanx badge, now i want to tell that OS installation i've done it before but not anything before that now i... guess you think i'm a little ambiguous and you may be right now im gonna tell you...
The situation is the following:
Obviously this is my first PC build
So i'm getting the components say this or the next week
I'm doing it all... all by myself (let alone the forums suport hehe)
So i get the components and assemble 'em (and this i think i will do properly, i love to do tweaking on anything and i'm good at it)
Now, what happens when i press the Power button???
REMEMBER: I've done NOTHING else than assembling the PC
My guess: The BIOS greets me... that DOS-like screen that has some
computer data like speed of this n that...
Then i have to set up some things, right?, including mobo setup..., how do i adjust or install the MoBo for example?
And then what? how do i set up everything else?
Processor needs adjusting? Only in the BIOS right?
RAM? The same thing right?
Then i set up the drivers...
Then the... what???... GPU???
Is all this "easy"?
I know i sound quite overly-concerned but i don't wanna ruin my first PC build, since its pretty neat one.
Is the info i need to know in the manuals of my components?
Including Tweaking???... my future PC is as follows so you know what i'm talking about...
GPU: HIS/SAPPHIRE 4870X2
MoBo: Asus P5E X38
Processor: Intel Q9550
RAM: Corsair Dominator (fan module) 4GB (2 x 2GB) 1066 DDR2
Case: Antec 1200
PSU: Corsair Modular PSU 1000W
DVD Bay: Samsung 22x DVD writer w/ lightscribe
Cooler: Zalman 9700 110mm LED CPU Cooler
Dual Blue Cold Cathode<--(What's this for? someone recommended it 2 me)
Thermal compound: Arctic Silver 5
HDD's: 2 x Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM in RAID-0 or RAID-1
hardware settings, tweaking and assemble... that i'll be fine with
now, considering the GPU... do you think i would have any display problems??? before drivers installation? i mean running it like just after pluggin' it?
REmember i'll be watching everything from my HDTV, pluggin' an HDMI cable to my GPU with the DVI to HDMI adaptor included.
THANX for reading!, reply would be appreciated!
I think you are worrying too much.
The manufacturers of your motherboard have already programmed logic into your motherboard so it "knows" how to function. This is not something you have to worry about.
After you have your hardware assembled, double check that everything was connected correctly, press the power on button, press F2 (or whatever it is) to change BIOS settings. Set your DVD/CD drive as a boot device and put your Windows OS install disk into your drive. Your system will reboot after you save your changes in the BIOS, and you will be prompted to "Press any key to boot from CD"
The Windows installation guides you through the rest.
After Windows is installed, make sure you install drivers for your motherboard and video card.
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| Quote : Thanx badge, now i want to tell that OS installation i've done it before but not anything before that now i... guess you think i'm a little ambiguous and you may be right now im gonna tell you... |
So you understand how to install an OS? If not, see my earlier Step 1.
| Quote : Obviously this is my first PC build |
I'm thinking you are going to need some help at this point. You seem a bit disoriented as to how a computer is put together and functions as a system.
| Quote : I'm doing it all... all by myself (let alone the forums suport hehe) |
Oak tree get outta' your way huh.
That's great. I think you will end up needing a little help before you are done.
| Quote : So i get the components and assemble 'em (and this i think i will do properly, i love to do tweaking on anything and i'm good at it) |
So your basically going to do something you have never done before. Take a PSU, MB, CPU/heatsink/ video card, RAM, HD, DVD and assemble them. K. I'm sure there are a few tricks to be discussed, but for simplicity's sake I'm good
| Quote : Now, what happens when i press the Power button??? |
If you have the PSU connected to the Power On button correctly the system will power on. Hopefull (fingers crossed) the BIOS screen appears on the screen.
| Quote : REMEMBER: I've done NOTHING else than assembling the PC |
You mean you have assembled the components like RAM or a DVD palayer. I don't know, I'm asking. You mean you have just assembled your PC and are going to push the Power on button on the case? Oh.
| Quote : My guess: The BIOS greets me... that DOS-like screen that has some
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The BIOS screen appearing would be ideal. Time for Hi fives dude.
Well almost.
| Quote : Then i have to set up some things, right?, including mobo setup..., how do i adjust or install the MoBo for example? |
That's the thing, the MB would already be installed if you see the BIOS.
MB CD with drivers and utilities comes in to play now. Well, backtrack here. The OS installation comes first. Then the MB CD with the 'uhmmm...MB adjustments (drivers and utilities). I don't know what to say. That CD that came with your ASUS MB has all the drivers for your MB. Install it after you have installed the OS system.
| Quote : And then what? how do i set up everything else? |
Well, after the OS and MB CD driver install the next thing would be to pop in the driver disk that came with your video card. Install the video card driver. THEN, go online and get all the updates for your OS system. Recommend an AV/Spyware protection installation. Then install your games and other personal software you will be using.
| Quote : Processor needs adjusting? Only in the BIOS right? |
Processor speed and voltages are adjustable in BIOS, but your processor will run fine at default with no adjustments. Not necessary to adjust the FSB and voltages at this time.
| Quote : RAM? The same thing right? |
RAM speed (data transfer rate), timings and voltage is adjustable in BIOS. You may want to use one DIMM only to install your OS and MB drivers. If you have both DIMMs installed and the system is stable under stress, your good. But yeah, adjusting the RAM data transfer rate, timings and voltage to Mfg. specs will help to stabalize your system. That's later if your system is running at this point.
| Quote : Then i set up the drivers... |
Here is where I ask, "what are you going to drive?"
| Quote : Then the... what???... GPU??? |
You should install the GPU driver immediately after installing the OS and MB system drivers.
| Quote : Is all this "easy"? |
Oh hell yes. Knock youself out.
| Quote : I know i sound quite overly-concerned but i don't wanna ruin my first PC build, since its pretty neat one. |
I'm thinking you will be fine, if you are gentle (not RMAing damaged parts) and patient
. I think you may need a little help having never installed a MB from the ground up before. It doesn't take long to aquire the touch. And don't end up blaming ASUS
| Quote : Is the info i need to know in the manuals of my components? |
Yes, it is. The MB manual is very helpful. Follow the instructions in the MB manual. Reading the MB manual would get you off to a great start for sure.
| Quote : Including Tweaking???... my future PC is as follows so you know what i'm talking about... |
Well, I would not be too concerned with tweaking you new system out right away. If you get it up and running, run some games and do some stress testing and check for stability. The tweaking will come later if you stick around the Forumz.
| Quote : HDD's: 2 x Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM in RAID-0 or RAID-1 |
I would recommend installing your OS on a single HD. Onboard RAID is not the easiest software to work with.
| Quote : now, considering the GPU... do you think i would have any display problems??? before drivers installation? i mean running it like just after pluggin' it? |
The BIOS will detect the graphics card and the OS will provide a driver for setup until you install the driver fr your specific card (the CD that came with your card).
| Quote : REmember i'll be watching everything from my HDTV, pluggin' an HDMI cable to my GPU with the DVI to HDMI adaptor included. |
Yeah, I do that with my HTPC. I have my 9600GT connected to my Samsung 40" 1080i with an HDMI cable. Bitchin!!!!!
Message edited by badge on 08-27-2008 at 08:03:24 AM
The thing I think you are missing here is that all your PC components are already designed to have some basic ability to work together, without any special instructions from you... usually, except when this fails.
What you do after is all about getting everything to play together BETTER.
I think you hit the nail on the head, Proximon. If you get everything connected correctly, the components will already have some rudimentary capabilities. You won't be able to jump right into playing games or watching movies, but the motherboard, processor, memory, and video card will all recognize that the other components exist.
First, hit whichever key you need to hit to get into the BIOS. Set all your CPU and RAM to the factory specs. Set the DVD drive as the primary boot drive. Insert your OS installation CD. And just follow the on-screen prompts.
Then insert the installation CD that came with your motherboard.
Then go to the ATI website and download the latest driver for your card. I would not recommend using the CD that comes with the GPU as there's a good chance the drivers on the CD have already been replaced (the HD4870x2 is new enough that it may not be the case for you, but in general I'd suggest avoiding the driver CD that comes with the GPU).
Now you should run a couple stress tests. MemTest86+ (here's the wikipedia) will check your RAM, and Prime95 (wikipedia) will check your CPU. These will each take 12+ hours to run, so go find something else to do and just let it run and do it's thing. Stress testing your GPU with 3Dmark06 (wikipedia) wouldn't be a bad idea either. Here's a thread over at AnandTech with a more detailed description. Reading throught the whole thread wouldn't be a bad idea.
Then install all the other programs that you'd like on your computer MSOffice/OpenOffice, Photoshop, Adobe Acrobat, games...etc.
Hold off on doing any tweaking/OCing for a little while, especially since you're using AS5 which has a considerable cure time (meaning that it'll take a few days for it to work to it's fullest potential). Speaking of AS5, make sure you know exactly how much to use because using too much is almost as bad as not using enough. And be especially careful that you don't get any of the AS5 on the motherboard circuitry because it is a conductive material and if you're not careful you could short out the board.
Message edited by Wanker79 on 08-27-2008 at 05:03:50 PM
Wow, thanx a lot guys, your support is very, very appreciated, on and badge, thanx for being patient enough to read and answer to each section of my post...
Now i have to say, the things you told me... well i think setting up the OS before the MoBo drivers and stuff... well i never thought it would be like that but that's why i'm 'ere so you guys help me out... now i think i'll have to wait so i get my hardware in my hands and start everything... oh, and Wanker79 thanx for adding stress testing, i'm sure i'll do that... but i have to say... 12 hrs more or less!!??... well that's some time... but well that's for PC's sake right? so i can see all the potential and check up for erros and stuff right?... and besides, it's part of the things i'll have to do so my components start "making themselves at home" so i get past the 'cure time' and stuff and then get to have full potential in all my components... right?
| Quote : Then go to the ATI website and download the latest driver for your card. I would not recommend using the CD that comes with the GPUhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit as there's a good chance the drivers on the CD have already been replaced (the HD4870x2 is new enough that it may not be the case for you, but in general I'd suggest avoiding the driver CD that comes with the GPU). |
Why avoid the driver CD that came with the video card. That's the driver the card was tested with and most certainly works without any major issue. Either way is fine, but to say 'avoid' the driver that the card was tested with is not sound advice.
Message edited by badge on 08-27-2008 at 07:52:14 PM
OH and, by the way... XP Professional with SP1... is that 64-Bit??
Also, before i decided to buy components and make the PC MYSELF i was thinking in e-shops where i could build my system and in one the RAM options were like:
1GB RAM
2GB RAM
4GB RAM (requires Windows Vista 64-Bit edition to recognize full 4GB)
8GB RAM (requires Vista 64-Bit to be recognized 4GB+)(up to 6.8 GB due
to chipset limitations)
About 4GB, does this mean ONLY Vista 64-Bit will recognize full 4GB RAM?? or ANY 64-Bit OS will do? This because i HAVE XP Professional with Service Pack 1 Version 2002.
What should i do then? buy Vista?...
| Quote : OH and, by the way... XP Professional with SP1... is that 64-Bit?? |
XP Pro is 32 bit. As far as recommending a new OS, Vista 64 with 4 GB RAM is my recommendation.
badge wrote :
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Because you'll want the most up-to-date drivers available and chances are that there has been an update released since the CD was created. It doesn't make any sense to install an old driver just to have to uninstall it and install the newer downloaded one. I guess it couldn't really hurt, but it's unnecessary and redundant to install drivers twice.
As for the OS, XP Pro is indeed 32-bit. If you're buying a new OS, Vista 64-bit is the way to go. If you're reusing a copy of XP Pro, you can still install teh 2x2GB kit, but XP will only recognize ~3.5gigs. Considering how inexpensive RAM is nowadays, it's not such a bad idea to install 4gigs.
No reason to 'avoid' the driver CD your video card came with. Probably better to use the driver the card was tested with before you run in to any potential problems a later driver could present. If troubleshooting a video card, going back to the driver the card was tested and released with is also an option. You know the driver on the CD is going to work properly. If not, put the card back in the box and return it. At OP, like I said, you can go online and download the latest video card driver and install it immediately. Either way is fine, but there is no reason to 'avoid' the driver the card was issued with.
Message edited by badge on 08-27-2008 at 09:35:04 PM
| badge wrote : No reason to 'avoid' the driver CD your video card came with. Probably better to use the driver the card was tested with before you run in to any potential problems a later driver could present. If troubleshooting a video card, going back to the driver the card was tested and released with is also an option. You know the driver on the CD is going to work properly. If not, put the card back in the box and return it. At OP, like I said, you can go online and download the latest video card driver and install it immediately. Either way is fine, but there is no reason to 'avoid' the driver the card was issued with... |
...unless you think that having to install one driver, uninstall it, run driver cleaner, and install the new driver is something you'd like to avoid.
I'm not saying you should thow the driver CD out, I'm saying that you should always install the newest available driver first (especially since new drivers are created to fix problems with older drivers). If you run into problems, you can always fall back to the CD. But there's no logical reason to install the CD drivers before trying the newest downloadable driver.
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