Core i7? No. An arm and a leg

Early indications seem to suggest that these new Intel processors are not going to be a huge step up for gamers at least, I wouldn't upgrade to these CPU's until there cheaper and Motherboards are more affordable.
Deneb probably wont take the performance lead, but they look set to be much faster and at the right price Intel will not have it so easy this time.

Those prices are from the UK, they got some hefty taxes (17.5%) in the EU plus OCUK is price gouging as usual.

Just compare the i7 prices between UK and Canadian stores (also from Fuddo):

In a snapshot (using Euros as the currency):
i7 920 - €334 (UK) vs €229 (Canada) 46% difference
i7 940 - €607 (UK) vs €439 (Canada) 38% difference
i7 965 - €1,062 (UK) vs €742 (Canada) 43% difference

OCUK is charging 40 - 45% higher prices than Canadian stores, apply the same rule to the mobos and its not nearly as daunting as you make it out to be, we're probably looking at ~$300 USD for decent X58 mobos, maybe a bit less for the stock standard Intel one. Even $300 is still very expensive mind you (for me anyway, I've never spent over $200 on a mobo), but its not frightening expensive for a high end mobo when you consider top end X48 mobos cost a similar amount and high end 790FX mobos are $200+. Don't forget you get both SLI + CF support with X58, so its a bit more flexible in regards to multi-GPU choice, a very welcome feature - now you don't have to choose between nVidia chipsets for SLI or CF with Intel chipsets.

I think i7 is the tock (or is it the tick?) primarily on the enterprise side and doesn't seem at initial launch to bring much to the desktop/gaming sector.

That doesn't mean that Intel won't improve i7 microprocessors and chipsets after the initial launch and eventually bring down costs to the desktop. Intel would never take advantage of their fans in rolling out new tech (rolling eyes) and neither would AMD.

It's just proof that the desktop gains little from massive parallell multithreading - and won't - for the foreseeable future. SMP just ain't worth it on the typical desktop regardless of multiple 'core envy' and marketing hype.

If the folks at videoguys are to be believed, not even Premiere or Vegas Pro really gain from 4+ parallel threads.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Premiere and Vega take a while to catch up to hardware changes.

But Avid Media Composer, for example, will already use at least four threads when that's possible; the main limitation, I believe, is third-party software (codecs, etc) which can't handle multiple threads.

Similarly, I believe Fusion will use as many threads as it can get for effects rendering. I don't know of any limit on the number of threads that Lightwave can use for 3D rendering, and I'm guessing that any 'pro' 3D package should be the same (3D rendering is about as multithreading friendly as you can get).

I'm convinced you have selective reading issues... its only that expensive in the UK, or as MarkG said the 'ripoff capital of the world'.

i7 920 - €334 (UK) vs €229 (Canada) 46% difference
i7 940 - €607 (UK) vs €439 (Canada) 38% difference
i7 965 - €1,062 (UK) vs €742 (Canada) 43% difference

Conclusion? OCUK price gouges the s*** out of everything!

The ironic thing is Baron had no issues back then with the $400 QuadFX mobo...

Im just hoping Intel doesnt set up a 2 tier system. The highend Penryns will come down in price, but should be competitive to like i7s. If they reduce all their Penryns, theyll be competing against themselves. Honestly, it would be good if AMDs cpus kick some tail. Im thinki9ng along these lines. If AMDs top chip kicks, and is affordable, itll effect Penryns pricing mainly, and i7s slightly, just like weve seen in the ATI vs nVidia pricing. The 9800x2 is incredibly cheap and is one of the top cards out, and thats only because of ATIs low entry pricing/performance. So having a decent showing from AMD would benefit us, not so much the early adopters going after i7, but everyone else

You mean the one I DIDN'T BUY? I guess I didn't.

Baron you must have selective memory also. You spent months singing the praises of QuadFX. What was it you called yourself? Was it "Megatasker" LOL

nehalem isn't worth it for average desktop builders or gamers... or even avid ones... it is just a money pool that you'll get 5 % more performance out of... if even that

I'll stick with my q9550 at 3.85 ghz for a couple years.... or atleast until the next BIG step

LOL I can't be bothered digging up your old posts, maybe TC will do it and show how much of a hypocrite you are.

The mobos should be cheaper actually, with the IMC, theres one less component. Entry products are always higher. i7 will cost more, it should, it does give improvements, maybe not alot at ST, but overall it does. I dont believe in future proofing, and even getting a quad seems a little early at this point, as Im mainly a gamer. A year from now? If you plan on keeping this cpu for over a year, and have to have an upgrade, Id still wait for all the bugs to get ironed out, let the early adopters pay the higher price, and let them live with the bugs. By March or so, the prices should be better, and the bugs should be ironed out

No the tick is the die shrink, the tock is the new arch. Hence Conroe (tock), Penryn (tick), Nehalem (tock) and then Westmere (tick).

Its easy to understand and has been around for 4 years in 2009.

The boards are not going to be $400+. If you read everything then you see it is from the UK which is always known for its uber higher than needed prices. Hell a lot of places outside the US are like that. Australia being one too. Even when we have a good deal on anything here it will normally be higher there.

So stop trying to use FUD. I mean this is sad. You went from using AMD crap to using something from another part of the world that wont affect the majority of people on the forums (from the US). Yes there are those from the UK and other places but the obviously know about this.

Shame on you BM

Oh yea. Intel somehow influenced the financial instatution to invest in sub-prime mortgages and then told them to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. Thats what they did. The current economy is all Intels fault. Dude I worked for Citi. It was the financial instatutions fault and its all because of THEM that the economy is in such a down spiral, not technology leaders. In fact if you pay attention a lot of the more recent financial instatutions that have been going down the drain or have been doing bad have had CEOs who took them that path, Citi being one with out last CEO who also quit and got a nice $125million parting package for putting Citi in a horrible position. Go figure.

HP and Dell restructured for 2 reasons. 1 they plan to move more of their PC manufacturing over seas where its cheaper for them so they will make more money and 2 they are feeling the effects of less people buying new PCs because of the uncertainty of the economy. Believe me they make money when they get the CPUs for less since they buy them in bulk. Where we may pay $300 for a CPU, they pay $250 or less because of the bulk discount from both AMD and Intel.

Stop trying to blame Intel for the economical crap we are in and stop trying to spread FUD.

You call them the brood when you are just a AMD zealiot to the bone. Thats just sad. Common BM you should be better than this.

Baron, I dont usually talk directly to you, and Ive been in the same threads lots of times. Ill say this. Thinking Intels pricing and the subsequent AMD reaction has had nothing to do with our present economy. Youre seeing this as too personal. These are only chips, thats it. One house at 300,000$ is how many chips? While I agree i7 looks to be an expensive chip overall, and being this early on, so is the new memory, and its not even refined yet for timings like it will become. Intel more or less told the memory manus to keep it sane, but they didnt, and thats going to set the timings back, and keep prices high, as this is the only segment they can charge this much on. The mobo and all the bio's will get better both in pricing and performance, but therell be a premium on them as well, and stay priced slightly higher than what youd expect, but not outlandishly so. Yes, i7 is going to cost, and alot of people buying first will have to more than likely have to change their mempry if they want to keep up, and it wont be cheap, but this is intro pricing with a few caveates, so a lil higher than usual, and likely to remain a lil higher than usual. All this does is allow for Deneb to come in at a decent price and be able to better compete, so Im not sure why you have to dig in on Intel with this, as it benefits AMD as well

^Um this isn't the CPU. And Intel does not control the mobo pricing at all apart from the price of the chipset. Mostly I think that mobo makers charge more for Intel based mobos because they know they will sell more right now. Same would happen if AMD was the top of the crop.

Who cares if Intel an Asus mobos are expensive. The onees for testing are the premium Overclocking boards, of course they are expensive. Premium boards now are as well.

If you dont want to pay for a premium board buy from ECS or Biostar. They will be available at decent prices. Have you ever heard of competion?

The 790i Striker 2 Extreme is $450. However the 780i Striker 2 Formula is $300, think thats the one silent was linking.

And actually the "average price" for the X48 is under $300. There are 16 different models of X48 between $200 and $300, while there are only 6 above $300. Not to mention there are 9 of them at $230 or below.

Yeah, c/p'd wrong page. But he even specified the 780i in his post.

socket 715? Does that mean # of contacts? I think that will be the first time in Intel history that a superseding socket had fewer pins than its predecessor.

I still remember him blaming it all on Windows' lack of support for NUMA... then he started yapping about how great the platform is when FASN8 was around the corner.

I can see that it left a permanent scar when AMD decided to drop that platform.

hmm...no IMC and dual core. How is that different than a penryn?

Just Googling - and it appears that it's not much different (except 32nm).

Apparently, it's going to have a 1xQuickPath to the northbridge, so it could even be used to support DDR2.

Not a very current link, but probably the best I've found yet:
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/540

MoneyGrab

I want Magical Giblets

No, all X48s are not quite above $300. I just typed out the prices in grand detail. There is no balking around this, AMD board prices are irrelivent to it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] rder=PRICE There you go, right there. I even went ahead and listed them lowest to highest for you. Count them, please. See if you come up with the same 6(SIX) $300+ boards as I do, out of 23 total.