Deneb does 4.3GHz on air

I find it extremely difficult to believe. Given the process technology AMD uses, its simply no match to Intel's more advanced HK/MG process.

But of course, if there's actually proof for it (CPU-Z shot, machine shot), then it should be believed.

AMD's Deneb's do use HK/MG. Time for someone to do their homework. THat's why AMD's Denebs are doing well.

Actually no. Deneb is still built on 45nm SOI technology from IBM. They will make the migrate probably next year.

Right back at ya

if it is true, great. i couldn't help notice that site pretty much circles the wagons around AMD products so i would take that article with a grain of salt.

Well, they're not doing AMD any favors by trying to build up hype to an untenable level. It'll be the same thing that happened to Phenom. Overinflated expectations leads to crushing disappointment. ATI's 4000s graphics card is the opposite. No one expected much, but received high performers.

Go here to find out.High-K is later on.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_1 [...] dir=45nm01
See the Press Presentation .pdf and the Q&A on 45nm.

The same could be said of the sites reporting that Nehalem will OC over 4 Ghz on air. I'm skeptical that this article is true just as I am skeptical of the articles about Nehalem. Until the production processors are released and we see test results from non-ES chips it's all just conjecture.

Regarding AMD's use of the HK/MG process, I suspect that this will be implemented with the AM3 Denebs slotted to come out in Q1-09 and the AM2+ Denebs that will be released this year will be the last SOI parts.

And the hype machine goes into overdrive!

I like the months before something new gets released, its exciting with so many rumours, leaks and claims of grandeur... of course with those highs often come the inevitable lows when release time comes and you realise all the hype was blown way out of proportion.

I'll be honest, without a CPU-Z screeny I am quite sceptical of these claims, especially the part about power consumption being better than Intel 45nm HKMG, but it would be amazing if true.

However, I'm sure most of us here remember the hype surrounding Phenom before release... and we all know how that went.

AMD is still SOI. They wont go HKMG until next year at best. Oh and by the way the Nehalem at 4 GHZ have pics.

Considering Nehalem clock for clock gains a performance gap as wide as the gap between Core 2 and Phenom, and the fact that a phenom cant even compete with an ancient Core 2 Q6600 (since we ARE talking overclocked figures - 3ghz on stock, 3.6 on an aftermarket easy), and we are talking about Intel here, the memory performance+latency king (Intel 440BX anyone?) - i say good luck AMD.

Nehalem has real performance figures from 10+ sources, your AMD has no REAL figures - post when you have real figures and not BS.

The alleged 40% performance over is based on 4U server performance. They never say that Agena will out-perform Penryn. Stars core design is for servers, and AMD just didn't bother to design and optimize it for desktop. Ci7 is out to battle AMD on 2U server, while we are just about to see 45nm 24-core vs 16-core battle raging very soon.

Except that in one corner we have actual independent benchmarks of actual hardware and in the other corner we have the word of some guy at AMD and an anonymous 'source'...

I'd love to see AMD come out with a CPU that's competitive with Nehalem, but I don't see any reason to see this as more than hype right now.

Except you need to say this to Andreas, and email him about it. So coolaler is better than Andreas? Or is this just fanboyism at its best? No one considered the 4xxx series to be what it is either, so if true it wouldnt surprise me. This is good news , I dont see why everyone has an excuse. Sure it may be lies, just like getting i7 to anything higher than 3.6 unless its a XE could be lies as well. Dont give me the "because I like or prefer this one over that one as an excuse. These are exciting times

And they had the 4xxx series as 800 shaders and were crazy then too. Maybe people remember for the wrong reasons?

Bah... 4.3ghz is so old school. Where the 10ghz CPU's?

Wow, lots of down votes on JDJ. I voted them back up, he hasn't said anything that should be down-voted.

On subjekt, the possibility of Deneb hitting 4.3Ghz is fantastic. Competition good, overclocking potential, which we haven't seen out of AMD since the early X2 days is awesome. Have any AMD chips ever gone over 3.5Ghz on air reliably, if at all? This is hype, but it's great news if it's true.

There is an Intel fanboy on the loose in the voting system. Stand your ground, vote back! Viva la AMD!

*Gets hit with negative vote*

Viva La Vacuum tube!!!!

what would happen if everyone stopped acting like 2 year olds...

Ummmm Phenom's perform clock for clock WORSE then an Intel (65nm Core 2's even), and do you forget what happend for AMD when they went from 90nm to 65nm - ZERO, high end models remained based on the old 90nm etc as the jump didnt help much, apart from yields/costs etc.

Mind you in the change AMD might do a few tweaks to bring it to a more competitive level but that might only bring them to stock Intel peryn speeds etc

Nehalem isnt hype we all have the figures - google it to see the performance, vs this paper tiger named deneb.


The voting system - wtf are we voting for? More like a Fanboy attack system or somethin

i was mistaken i guess AMD will be using hi-k next year with the AM3 Denebs.

don't hate me. just trying to inform. =\

^+10

As of 2004, a chip of silicon measuring 0.02 inches (0.5 mm) square holds the same capacity as the ENIAC, which occupied a large room.

As old school as that is, its still very impressive and interesting thats where it all started. HAIL the vacuum tubes!!

I wonder what a cpu cooler would look like by todays standards if we were still using vacuum tube technology?...


...the size of a volkswagen perhaps?

No they don't Maybe AM3 will but more than likely the 32nm AMD CPUs will.

The difference is the fact that the Core i7 OCs have CPU-Z shots from more than one place.

This is reminisant of that 4GHz stock Deneb Phenom FX80 screenshot that everyone thought was real when it was actually fake.

Without any real screenshots or CPU-Z verifications, yes it is hard to believe and feels like someone is hyping it. With Core i7 we have screen shots showing the 4GHz OC so that is not so much hype as it is fact.

Actually you would be suprised how many people believed that ATI could do 800 shaders. Remember though the way its set up its 160 shaders x 5 giving the full 800 shaders. I for one know ATI can do it. The difference between ATI and nVidia and Intel and AMD is that ATI is tipically very good at coming back really big, normally because the gap between the technologies is not that big. The HD2900 series was not that far off of a 8800 series to start and driver uptates have put them on par.

The last few OC screens I could find from Deneb were at 3.4GHz on air but needed 1.5v+ for stability. Unless this is the 3GHz stock version. But until I see a validation or at least a CPU-Z screen I can't believe it.

ancient core 2 q6600 : http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd- [...] r-tested/1

AMD keep schtum about what theyre up to these days until its release time. 4000 series radeons example of this.