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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on my first build (possibly within a week.) I've spent the past few weeks researching and I think I've assembled a pretty nice system with room to grow:

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128336

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16 GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115036

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139006

RAM: OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 c(PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227298

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148262

Burner/Reader: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 22X DVD-R 16X DVD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151173

Floppy: SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model MPF920 Black - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6821103116

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116488

It's all gonna go into this:

Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119077

The only thing I'm not sure at all about is the Graphics Card. A friend of mine got this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130319

and he loves it. He's using the same case and says there's plenty of room for it. Problem is, the mobo listed above supports crossfire. I've used only nVidia cards in the past and never had a problem, so I'm inclined to just get the 8800GT...but say I want to Xfire sometime down the road. What's a comparable ATI card? If I can spend less for an equivalent card in terms of stability and performance, I'd be willing to cheat on nVidia and go ATI.

Any advice, comments or help you can offer with this build would be greatly appreciated.

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Couple questions: Do you wish to overclock? If yes, what's your goal? And, at what resolution will you be playing at (size of LCD)?

I'm going to assume you want to overclock a little. I'd recommend two things, again making an assumption you don't want to go hardcore and don't have too much experience with this. First, get the E8400 instead of the E8500. Second, get DDR2-800 memory instead of DDR2-1066. E8400 with DDR2-800 will allow you to overclock up to 3.6Ghz from stock speeds of 3.0Ghz. When overclocking, you'll want a heatsink like the Xigmatek to keep temps down and it's a great price/value.

For your video card, 4850 is the minimum to get right now. It's the price/performance king. Especially with an X48 motherboard, you'll want to use an ATI graphics card (4850 or 4870) so that you can then add a second one down the road (Crossfire) which has very good performance scaling. Your 750W PSU will handle two 4850's just fine. Wait for Black Friday or Boxing Week sales, and I"m sure you'll be able to get a great deal on 4850 clearances.

Great build, good luck with it!

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I've had that card but for $25.00 more you could get an ATI 4850 which will blow that out of the water.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814103060


Message edited by froggyluv on 07-27-2008 at 11:48:52 PM
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jevon wrote :

Couple questions: Do you wish to overclock? If yes, what's your goal? And, at what resolution will you be playing at (size of LCD)?

I'm going to assume you want to overclock a little. I'd recommend two things, again making an assumption you don't want to go hardcore and don't have too much experience with this. First, get the E8400 instead of the E8500. Second, get DDR2-800 memory instead of DDR2-1066. E8400 with DDR2-800 will allow you to overclock up to 3.6Ghz from stock speeds of 3.0Ghz. When overclocking, you'll want a heatsink like the Xigmatek to keep temps down and it's a great price/value.

For your video card, 4850 is the minimum to get right now. It's the price/performance king. Especially with an X48 motherboard, you'll want to use an ATI graphics card (4850 or 4870) so that you can then add a second one down the road (Crossfire) which has very good performance scaling. Your 750W PSU will handle two 4850's just fine. Wait for Black Friday or Boxing Week sales, and I"m sure you'll be able to get a great deal on 4850 clearances.

Great build, good luck with it!



totally disagree.

first off, the E8400 is 174.99$ and the E8500 is 189.99$ on newegg.

for a 15$ jump. you get a 164mhz jump. that is GREAT DEAL. i do not know why anyone would get a E8400 over a E8500 at this point in time, that is just beyond comprehension.

you can stick to DDR2 800 if you're only going for an increase OC to 400, if you're planning to go beyond, get the 1066. OC-ing is not too difficult and 1066 ram isn't that much more expensive.

so lets say you OC to 400fsb, you'll get 3.6 with the E8400, and 3.8 with the E8500. so in reality, if you OC, you'll get a 200mhz increase! and everyone knows clock speed is very important for gaming if you want higher FPS.

your build is great, i'm glad you're the few people that actually do research on this forum and get quality parts before they go spamming a every thread. good luck and enjoy your great system :)


Message edited by aznguy0028 on 07-28-2008 at 12:02:41 AM
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Thanks for your thoughts. I'm not really planning to overclock at this point in time; I'm just not knowledgeable enough about it yet, but it's nice to know it's an option for the future after I've done my homework.

I'm basically just looking for a decently muscular, smooth and stable gaming rig for games like Oblivion and Medieval II, as well as all your basic general-purpose tasks (office, multimedia, etc.). Think I'll switch to the ATI card. I appreciate your input!

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Oh, and my monitor is actually quite small: HP Pavilion vf15 (I think the max res. is 1024 x 768.) I'll get a bigger, better monitor sometime down the road when it's feasible for me to do so money-wise, but right now my cap is $1100 and the build listed above pushes that to the limit.

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That case is an horrible choice for what you plan on building. I dont think it has enough cooling.

look at


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119137



Doesnt have the side window, but at least the area where you graphic card sits is not dead air space . Remember, all the power consumed by your computer eventualy has to be expelled as heat by the case. Thats why you see the more expensive ones loaded with fans.


spunks

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I think that the Lian-Li I use like this one is the choice of those who like cool temps and good looks and light weight.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811112068
The E8500 with DDR2 800 or 1066 is good.
I have the DS4 of X38 type, and it does overclock well if you wanted to in the future, it is mostly automatic, you shouldn't have to for a long while with that setup tho.
I have the 8800GT and still recommend it as a lot were sold and they don't always test every card for every game or mod that comes out, I learnt that with my 7900GTX, which has driver probs in Desert Conflict and Desert Combat mods.
Always use 120mm or larger fans as they are powerfull and quiet by a margin of 3 to one over 80mm or less sizes. True. Three or four 120mm fans is adequete for most installs. Lots of air in and out.
I would not advise to overclock, nothing but probs in the long runfor little payback, maybe 3-6 frames per second in average games, unless you have to goof with the machine every day to feel good about it.
I can render Crysis VERY well, better than anyone I know, cause I am not limited by LCD large resolutions, I play at 1024 on a 21" CRT monitor, and have like 25-35 frames per second with Helder [HP] Pinto's nice high quality mods for Crysis using the games GPU and CPU benchmarks. His map Vulcano is great gameplay also, just follow instructions to a T.

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I wouldn't pay $15 to go from the stock speed of the E8400 to the stock speed of the E8500... the reason one would buy the E8500 is because it has a slightly higher multiplier, and the only reason one would actually need the higher multiplier is if they wanted to do a really high overclock... which our friend Viking obviously isn't going to be doing.

So sure, I'd recommend the E8400 and save the $15! I'd still recommend overclocking a little though because it is so easy, especially if it's just a couple hundred mhz (say up 3.2 or 3.4ghz). Either way though, this processor will not bottle neck the system (as everyone knows graphic cards are what limits computers these days...not processors).

As for the DDR2-800, just doing a really quick browse of OCZ 4gb kits on newegg you can get good 4-4-4-15 memory for $90, so that's another $20 saved.. Considering you won't be pushing the limits of overclocking, why not save another $20 here?

I'm not saying aznguy's recommendations are wrong, I'd agree if you were more of an enthusiast who likes to push his rig as far as it'll go. But when considering your needs, I'd say get the E8400/DDR2-800 and you won't notice ANY difference over the E8500/DDR2-800 (or 1066) - other than the $35 you'll have saved :)

EDIT: I'm also a big fan of the case Spunks linked. Great value!

Cheers


Message edited by jevon on 07-28-2008 at 01:57:40 AM
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Jevon...

i see where you're coming from also. but here's what i think, and i'm sure other people will agree with me. 15$ from the E8400 to E8500 is a GREAT value. i don't know any other CPU that with a 15$ increase, you get 163mhz increase and also a .5 increase in the multiplier. that is like heaven on earth.

regardless of OC-ing or not, a 3.16ghz CPU is way better than a 3.0ghz. we all know gaming relies on pure clock speed (for now) and .16ghz can mean the difference between 3-5 FPS. not to mention, even if he does OC his E8500 to 3.8ghz, he would see roughly 6-10 FPS increase in his gaming experience.

so lets say, he does get the E8400...i would recommend him get these ram instead

Corsair 2x2GB DDR2 800mhz 4-4-4-12 timings. 2.1volts rated. 75$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145194

it has better timing and is cheaper than the OCZ, and since he saved 15$ from these ram, he can put the extra 15$ in for the E8500.

i'm pretty sure he can save up 15$ to get the better CPU. the thing with computers, even though the E8400 is 15$ cheaper, it is only 15$. and that is that. he'll be using his computer day in and day out, and over time, the experience with the E8500 will pay itself off to the point that the 15$ is negligible. (also from the fact that if he gets those ram, he'll save 15$ regardless).


Message edited by aznguy0028 on 07-28-2008 at 02:26:49 AM
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