Intel's playing catch-up

Intel's Nehalem Desktop Chips to Be Called Core I7

Sumner Lemon, IDG News Service

Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:10 PM PDT

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscen [...] re_i7.html

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Please quote and link properly...its a matter of copyright infringment

flame bait!!!!

All too little to late and a failure...AMD will have Deneb, that is backwards compatible with AM2+ Motherboards. Intel requires current Core2 users to replace their whole platform including the use of expensive DDR 3 Memory. Intel will stop overclocking on all but their High-end Chips....Enthusiasts will switch to 45nm AMD black edition CPU's.

Nehalem is a flop! Deneb has already impressed technical experts!

Support the Masters AMD! Evil must not win (Intel)!

AMD4Life!!

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It has been exlained to you before, and documented with reliable links by several other posters here that Intel will not "stop overclocking"

If you continue to spread this FUD, you will be banned

yes way back in the dinosaur days of computing....lol
I'm hoping nehalem will be the biggest thing to hit pcs this decade.
With a quad core you'll see 8 virtual cores! Man that's a site I look forward to seeing....
Hopefully the ht will do good things for the processor.
I personally don't plan on upgrading till the prices settle, as my E6400 does everything I need it to.

Hilarious thread, I got a good laugh.

enigma067, you look like a complete idiot. As always thunderman, you are right there with him.

I just hope Intel goes easy on AMD, or AMD gets their act together, I really don't want to be bent over on a new CPU.

If you opened thundermans fridge you would only se green kool aide....

And if anything I would think the site since the site has money where as the individual doesn't normally.

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The site

LOL, nice; I've never seen that one before.

go look through the forum

Over moderation is not what the site is about. Its a free and open site, as much for debating as helping others or passing information.

Whats its not for is corporate shills, liers spamers or advertisers

IRT nehalem, Fudzilla started that rumour about it not overclocking some time ago. At the time the was no information to counter Fuads 'presentation', and as such the position that nehalem couldnt overclock was as valid as the position that it could....and as such it was open to debate. Now, there has been more recent information, including the nehalem demo at computex which Intel openly admited they had overclocked. That Intel itself demoed an overclocked nehalem is incontrovertable. That information has been passed around here, and it had been pointed out to thunderman. For him to continue using the argument when it has been disproved indicates he is either schilling or willfully spreading lies...both of which are violations of TOS.

Lol turpit you don't even counter Thundermans argument. He has never claimed that intel would make un-overclockable chips just that they would only let you OC the EE chips. No one on gods green earth would dispute the fact that Nehalem is overclockable, but to suggest that intel would prevent the overclocking of mid and entry level chips seems reasonable. From what I can gather it will be up to Intel as to whether or not they will design a motherboard with overclocking capabilities for a non EE processor. If you have a link to a site that says intel will allow overclocking in entry and mid level nehalems please let me know.

Some of us dont have thousands of $$ to spend on computers. My last computer cost less then one extreme edition chip, so the overclockability of the non EE chips matter.

In case you glazed over the rest of my post I was concerned with non EE Nehalems ability to overclock (as was thunderman). It still seems to me to be in question and therefore a valid position

I wonder if thunderman has AMD stickers on his Huffy Green Machine?




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Ban Thunderman any how. All of his posts he has ever posted is AMD fanboyism. He has never once helped the community. All he does is spread Fud.

Its the similar argument that occured a while ago, although the subject was BM. The final verdict was that it's not against the TOS to post FUDs, spread FUDs, and use personal opinions as facts.

Yes and Intel has discouraged OCing for a very long time you can only change the multiplier on its Extreme Edition CPU's.... sound familiar ? yeah I remember that from the P4 days (didn't stop anyone I knew from OCing them....)

Of course if the performance is what it looks like on paper, I think OCing would only be for bragging rights anyway....

At any rate I doubt ASUS or DFI will suddenly drop OCing options from there line of Mobo's, if that happened there would be very little differentiation between them and the industry would be poorer for it.
I also do not believe Intel would turn its back on the OC crowd, although I would like to see all chips multiplier unlocked (does it cost more ? I mean honestly why the hell not ?)

well there is no proof that intel will restrict or allow oc'ing on there low end processors. i can see it happening and if it does they will lose most of the gaming market. i just thought it was strange that none of the review sites like toms are allowed to overclock the processor but intel is just claiming that its good at overclocking.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/I [...] ,5607.html

i also noticed in this one they only mentioned Bloomfield being able to oc not Lynnfield or Havendale

im not saying that it will happen but it seems like a small chance

edit:when i think about it if nehelam destroys amd's new processor it will force the gamers in getting nehelam and if most dont oc it will force gamers to spend more money.its a smart move for intel but it will be hated by the consumers

they won't unlock all the chips because then they could not sell them at 1k each then

That article you posted from THG states they asked Intel directly about it and Intel disputed it.

Intel is of course showing off their high end just like they did with Penryn and like AMD did with Phenom (remember the 3GHz Phenoms?). This is common practice in the CPU industry.

I would doubt Intel would not allow OCing on the lower end. It may be different than it used to be but still the same in a way since the CPU clock is based on a type of MHz and a multiplier. It seems Nehalem will have it set at 133MHz with a much higher multiplier. You can up the 133MHz to say 166MHz but I don't know how well it will be.

As for Intel not allowign THG to OC, its normal practice. They wait till about a month to 2 weeks before release to whoe the CPUs power and get people excited about it.

We of course need to wait and see what happens.

Well the RMA thing I understand, but couldn't that be solved with "By changing the rated multiplier you agree that any damage to this chip is not covered by any warrentee and is the sole responsibility of the buyer" Of course this leaves open a door for the chip pirates... (re branding chips used to be an issue) I guess its a problem with no real nice solution

Bloomfield will support overclocking.

You are quite right. The LINKS however, are not "little fat 8 year old kids spreading lies ".

read the godam forum

I am not defending Thundermans post I am attacking a moderator who threatened a ban due to alleged "FUD" that wasn't really FUD. Thunderman doesn't contribute, is an AMD fanboy and is only good for a laugh. But I think turpit crossed the line and was verging on censorship. He basically said that if you post that Nehalem won't overclock unless you buy a top end extreme edition you are spreading FUD and will be banned. I took strong offense to that for a number of reasons: 1. He threatened to ban someone for saying something bad about Intel. 2. He misrepresented Thundermans argument in the threat to ban. 3. Thunderman is funny, good for comic relief, and shouldn't be banned if he limits the frequency of his posts (one funny AMD comment and out). 4. 3 of the top five posts concerning an anti Intel thread topic where written or edited by turpit. Which suggests he is trying to steer the argument to where he wants it.

One more gripe I have with him is that I asked for some information to clarify the whole EE OC vs Mainstream OCing question. His repeated response was to read the forums. Not posting a link to support his position. I did some searching and could not find anything to support his position. If he has got another thread with this discussion already taken place as a moderator isn't it his responsibility to direct the audience to the already started thread, especially if we looked but are having trouble finding it on our own. Instead he repeats search the forum, three times in fact. So rather then enlighten the tens of us who are totally dragging this thread off topic and redirect as a good moderator, he edits, threatens to ban and cusses at us to read the forums.

So my whole reason for posting was to see if turpit had a valid reason for threatening to ban Thunderman. Instead I was told to "read the godam forum."

This is the first time I thought I saw what appeared to be mod abuse on these forums, I was hoping it wasn't abuse I think I was wrong. But hey of you can throw me a link that proves that Intel will allow mainstream nehalems to be OCed then I would be totally wrong and would apologize for the previous rant.

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If you think about it logically... then you would realize that despite locked multipliers, CPUs can still be overclocked. AMD 64s can be overclocked despite their locked multipliers and so can current mainstream processors from Intel. This is already known fact... so you shouldn't require any sort of links to prove anything.

There's nothing out there that proves Intel is going to radically change it's business model. Their extreme edition processors will still have unlocked multipliers and be sold for a premium over their mainstream processors. They may completely disable overclocking on their budget models... but even that isn't a certainty.

Thunderman is nothing but a troll. Trolls are banned on forums all the time. He posts inflammatory statements in the hopes of starting a flame war, not because he's providing any kind of factual information. As I said before, this behaviour constitutes banning on most forums on the net. (Except those set up specifically for flame wars). Turpit's "threat" may have been poorly worded, but he has every right to ban thunderman because of his trolling behaviour.

I can't believe that you actually give any credibility whatsoever to what he posts. It's FUD, it's flamebait and it's total crap. Any person with no personal bias can plainly see that.