Deneb previewed

nehalem will use more power for same speed

Either the increase from 2 to 6 MB L3 has a decent impact or AMD didn't just shrink it but modified the Phenom. The review used DDR2 800, so with better memory the performance could be improved further - at least a little.
If this preview is correct amd might claim parity with intels current line up, if not a slight edge in some applications.

However, i simply refuse to believe anything until i read a hand full of in-depth reviews by respected hardware sites. Right now the 45nm could be what AMD intended the Phenom to be or it could be another marketing fluff like back during the messed up introduction of the B2 Phenom.

Nehalem has 130 watt in tdp, you don't now yet if it is faster than deneb.
also nehalem will not be out for normal users before late 2009

seriously kassler, are you expecting nehalem to be slower than the current CPU's from intel? because that seems to be the only way they could be at the same level as Deneb....

it is a different processor and works like phenom.

L2 cache on nehalem is only 256 KB and 11 clocks

L2 cache on core 2 is 6 MB for new processors and 15 clocks

L3 cache on nehalem is 8 MB and 39 clocks

L3 cache on Phenom is 43 clocks I think

How these processors behave depends on what type of application you test. Also the first version of Nehalem has tripple ddr3 and I think one computer powered by nehalem will be more then twice the price of deneb AND it will use more power

Pictures speak louder than words.

And you beleve anandtech?

No, I think they used a random number generator to come up with those results.

It amazes me how the cold hard facts can be displayed right in front of someone and they will still deny the fact.

@ Kassler, Anandtech is a very legitimate benchmarking source. Don't even try to deny their validity. I don't think it's possible, but we might even take you less seriously for that.

From the looks of it, Nehalem will soundly beat Deneb. However, AMD has not lost this round yet. We still have to see what pricing will take place, and how well the new processors can overclock.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/

where is AMD on anandtech?

Nowhere in a link to the intel category. Try this one:

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/

I've refreshed the Anandtech main page 3 times, and there was a Zipzoomfly ad, a Foxconn ad and an Antec ad. Only the zipzoomfly ad is remotely related to Intel, since it advertised the P45 chipset, but its still an advertisement for ZZF rather than Intel. So, as per usual, your claims are groundless.

Btw, can we please get back on topic instead of discussing Anandtech?! This thread is about Deneb, not Anandtech.

From what I know, the ads are randomly related to computing.

Maybe there are no AMD ads on AnandTech because AMD hasn't paid for any. Maybe there are no AMD resources on the site because AMD hasn't provided any. Seriously, no publicaton site will turn down ad revenue or content that will draw readers, but it takes two to tango. You should consider things like this before throwing accusations of bias.

Those numbers are looking pretty good. I figured they would average about 15-20% on real world tests. And they can even get better numbers with an ASUS MVP board. I'd also be interested to see it n a 780a SLI board. Or even now a 790GX board. They have popped up at Newegg.

ASUS, Gigabyte and FoxConn have boards from $100-$150.


I really hate that we are worrying about Nehalem, whose mobos are said to be very expensive. And no I can't remember which site said 6-8 Layers but I think it was The Inq.

Being an Intel Fan (not a fanboi, just a fan), I always cheer for my team. But at the same time I don't want every game to be a blowout, nor do I want the competition to be fearful of going head to head with my team.

In other words a little competition keeps Intel on their toes.

While the AMD products may not always beat Intel, they are keeping Intel heading in the right direction and also serve to force Intel to keep prices as low as possible.

And cheap chips only serves to help us all.

Long Live AMD.

try these two

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/amd/
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/

I think that Intel is concerned now when deneb will be out (yes I know that they have so much money that they could use it for toilet paper). Also all that has bought AMD computers have a simple upgrade. Intel users need to spend more money to get the same performance.

ahh, all this talk of what is to come and i will soon be investing in dead end tech, or should i really be saying mature tech. to hell with early adopting.

They are one-in-the-same. The power it takes to switch a transistor on or off will be equal to the thermal energy that is dissipated by the processor. Similar to the brakes on your car, every bit of the energy of the moving car (kinetic energy) will be dissipated in thermal energy (i.e. heating the pads and rotors, and heating the tires and pavement). A little (very, very little) of the energy goes to light - racing brakes 'glowing' when coming into a turn, and even less goes to sound by vibrating adjacent molecules.

And no, 'heat' is never about absolute temperature, it is always about energy flow.

Take a closer look at your pictures. They are different benchmarks. The one from the Chinese site is beta23 SSE2 and the one from Anandtech is beta24. There could be some significant differences between the two versions so this isn't a good comparison.

Um link?

Again link? Its like those who use the QX9640 as an example even though when idle it uses less power than a low end Sempron.

And this means? It means that Nehalem will have slightly faster cache but since Nehalem is also a IPC improvement and will now have a IMC with QPI what makes you think it will be slow?

BM likes to use it for his arguments. I think you just think they are biased when they are not.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/

HOLY JEBUS!!!! They have a bunch of fair AMD reviews and were the first to fully explore the SB750s ability to OC and stated it was a good thing!!!! OMG WTF???? I thought they were biased.

Yes Deneb is helping keep Intel going the right direction, up instead of a side step.

As for the ability to upgrade, remember its up to the mobo makers to release the BIOS update. And since AMD doesn't seem to be able to push them som users will be SOL.

But seriously you let your favortism blind you. This is a thread showing that Deneb is impoving Phenom and had nothing to do with Nehalem/anand. You just went into nowhere.

As for the performance improvements, I would say about 15% clock per clock with later steppings putting it on par with Yorkfeild. But I dont see it pushing it higher or beating Nehalem without a good fight. Maybe AMDs next chip will.

Nehalem is rumored to launch in Sept~Oct.

Deneb will be launched sometime in Q4.

Therefore, there's a fair chance you will see Nehalem before you see Deneb on Newegg.

Looking at AMDs history of launching chipsets, processors etc. i would not advise to wait for it. They may tell you Q4 but it will get pushed or turn into a paper launch. Then the newer chipsets won't be available or something else. If you really want a decent AMD system, get a mainboard and buy a cheap Phenom off ebay. The b2 chips are quite cheap and it will do nicely and if you are a little lucky you can plug the new chip in once it comes out.

your comparing two different hardware sites that could have used, different harddrives, ram, video cards and different beta's. and its only one benchmark.

im still sure that intel will beat amd but maybe amd can beat intel in the mainstream market like they did with the 4850

i think of myself as neutral i like both amd and intel ill just buy what the best price/performance cpu

Quote please? Because to me, that sounds like some crazy bull. The low end and high end semprons use really low power.

EDIT: I just did some research of my own and found that the QX9650 uses 1 watt more power at idle than the X2 6000+, which eats electricity for every meal. The Athlon 4850e (I know, its not a sempron) consumes only 75 watts of power, which is half of that of the QX9650.