Hector Ruiz Steps Down \ TheStreet: AMD's Massive Losses Motor Along

So without the charges it looks like a loss of 310 Million. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


AMD continues to bleed. Seems a lot has to do with its highest binning processors going for $200 dollars.

Well let's hope, for the sake of future Intel pricing, they turn it around.

they seem to have forgotten that performance still sells...not "system balance" karma crap.

Sure they cant match intel, but when they can get beat by chips that cost 200 and win by 25-60 percent, that is too much of a disadvantage to overcome with warm fuzzy talk.

Before you say comment about my amd cpu, my mobo blew up 3 days ago, the day i got my 640 wd..MOTHERf&&&&*R...lol. If ECS doesen't replace it, it's Intelabyte combo 4 me

Special thanks to a poster at another website:

Nope, we all knew it was coming.

Just be nice.

Although they might say, "With Hector gone AMD is in a great position to kick Intel's butt."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

He may be in a good position actually, it's hard to set the bar lower, so if AMD makes ANY progress, he looks good !

Although BaronMatrix posted some of the most blood boiling BS I've ever seen spewed onto the interweb, I must admit this place has gotten kinda boring in his absence.

Back on topic: The CEO is dead, long live the CEO!

save us thunderman! make me believe in AMD again

Dirk will bring AMD back to competitiveness, yah!!!

Word, Playa.

Atom: Just recently released and is aimed more at the UMPC market than the laptop market
Centrino 2: Delayed due to WiMAX not WiFi.
Nehalem: I don't see your point
140w dual core? um which one is that?
class-action level graphics...... um no Intels IGPs have always targeted the business end more than the consumer end. Henc how Intel gets a lot of sales in the business sector. You get the mobo, IGP and CPU all for less and it does what they need it to do.

AMDs biggest problem is they invested in the wrong areas. They bought ATI when they should have put more towards R&D and also more into new FABs so they can try to meet at least part of the demand for their chips. If you can't meet the demand and make people wait they will go to another place to get what they need. If AMD had built 1 or 2 more FABs they could be producing more Athlon X2s that use low power and make some money off them since the process was yeilding higher than Barcy.

Thats another problem. They got their heads too big and wanted to out do Intel instead of compete. So they went with monolithic quad on SOI @ 65nm and basically a brand new process that has horrible yeilds and then the performance didn't allow them to price them high enough to make any money. They could have created K10 duals and released those to compete with C2D and while they were doing that work on K10 quad so that it was a good chip with less problems.

But as I said AMDs ego got in the way and they did what was harder instead of what would have made sense.

^LMAO.

Hence why I love TC. Has a great sense of humor. If only all the AMD fans would realize its not bashing its seeing the truth. But the truth hurts. Like when I found out Superman was not real.....

Considering that the Intel propaganda machine was touting the Atom for months and the fact that each individual wafer yields an enormous number of Atom processors there is no excuse for the supply shortage. Intel simply isn't making any attempt to produce them at the level they should.

As for Centrino 2, your argument makes no sense as WiFI and WiMAX are pretty much the same thing, just using a different wireless standard. Regardless, Centrino 2 was delayed because someone at Intel screwed up and didn't file the permit application for the wireless antennae will the FCC on time. Since a Centrino system by definition has to use an Intel wireless card it was necessary to wait until the permit came through instead of releasing the platform using a 3rd party wireless solution. Wait a minute... I thought Intel was supposed to be infallible...

^What yomama said is correct. I have been closely following WiMAX and its a very different system from WiFi. It has greater bandwidth and range capabilities and also allows for more devices per port than WiFi. Yes its a different standard but in reality its a new standard. I don't even think its part of the 802. famil and is part of the 803.

As for Atom, I still don't see it as that big of a deal. If it was Nehalem then it would be major as that would casue them to loose more money than Atom since its their main bread and butter. Kinda like how AMD messed up with Phenom and had very low yeilds and couldn't fill the supply channels fast enough.

But as we speak Intel is starting to transform its 65nm plants into 45nm plants and should be ready by 2009.

I believe WiMAX is standard 802.16e. Intel has been saying that their wireless solution will also support 802.11n so the hardware must be fairly closely related.

As for the Atom, you are correct about Intel having limitted 45nm capacity. The fact remains however that there is only a shortage because Intel is choosing to manufacture other processors instead of the Atom. It is true that Intel can make more profit by producing other chips that have higher margins, but by doing so they risk losing the entire UMPC market to VIA (whose Isiah chip has been shown to be far superior to the Atom), and possibly even to AMD (who is rumored to have a new UMPC chip in the works). You may say that Intel doesn't care about the UMPC market, but if that were the case then why did they invest likely 10's of millions of dollars developing and marketing the Atom if they don't even want to sell it? Seems like a major foul up to me.

Well maybe they will make up some ground of there HD48XX video cards. Those are damn good for the price, good enough to make Nvidia drop there prices.

I doubt we will see AMD die any time soon, they still do well in the value cpu segment.

To put the right spin back on things after the blue boys have had their chuckle and wasted a gallon of hand cream ... you need to realise most of the AMD fans like myself have been hoping Hector was going to leave.

We could clearly see his classical management approach of "doing nothing" whilst accumulating more debt really wasn't getting them anywhere.

Dirk on the other hand is a real engineer with tons of experience on the front line and in the design office ... at home with those who produce the goods ... If he listens to the right people with the coke bottle glasses and the nervous twitches he might be miving in the right direction at last.

I can see that there will be immediate changes being taken at the company ... if not then they are doomed.

Analysts will expect a clear and quick response or stock prices will only move downward.

They need to shed quite a bit in wages for staff ... at a time when arguably they need them.

They need to upgrade aging fab tech with no money.

They need Deneb now and with a better IPC.

They need a marketing department that produces something other than a colored box and an F1 sponsorship.

I imagine like most of you I am waiting for something fast, positive, definitive and perhaps a little risky to happen next from AMD.

I wish Dirk all of the best and If he gets sent a copy of this I have one last bit of advice.

Fire half of Hector's pets and performance manage the rest.

Take no prisoners.

Good luck Dirk !!

Very good point. I'm hopeful about this guy.

That is actually good advice.

Thanks for the correction. I guess I was being overly conservative when estimating the number.

I laughed the first time. Now its just mindless propaganda.
No please Yoma, don't bomb me with benchmarks, i'm almost leaving work.
I only post during work time. It is nice, isn't it !!

Factboy can't see a joke when its written right in front of him. Im at home, no more posting !!!! See ya monday !

There are a few problems with these benchmarks, and I'll prove it with my own system. 3dMark05 cpu test is mostly single threaded except for the last 2 tests, which are a dual threaded test, and a quad threaded test.



Super Pi is single threaded, at least according to my AMD PowerMon and Task manager. But, going by those benches, the added 200mhz core speed takes 4 seconds off the results. So if I get my phenom running at 3.2 like the 6400+ I wonder how much lower the time will be.



PCMark05 Memory bench is also single threaded. Meaning that it would benefit from the memory controller being set to ganged mode. Again, thats something that needs to be software switchable from windows, or a windows based bios control utility. But notice the difference that the extra 200Mhz on the IMC/NB makes, as well as the extra 200Mhz on the cores (8600 runs at 2.3ghz core, 1.8nb/imc/L3). Thats also the reason the 4400+ gets a better memory score, due to it's IMC running at it's core speed of 2.2ghz if I remember correct.



Note that my system is running all at stock settings, these are from the system on my sig. Won't be running any HDD benchies till I get the other 320gb drive in and set up a raid array.