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sirsaechao   07-07-2008 at 08:05:21 PM

I need a home PC to replace my Dell P4. The P4 is just way to slow and full of Dell preloaded junk. I'm in the market to spend about $400 on just the PC. I found a couple in my price range. Which is better:

Pentium Dual Core E2180 2.0 or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+??? Why??? I have some parts from my old Dell that I will put into these like a 8600 GT, SB Audigy SE. I would also like it to play WoW from time to time.

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mrplow99   07-07-2008 at 08:19:34 PM
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hmm not really sure tbh, but if you could get a core 2 duo, it would be better :)

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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:23:36 PM
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Errr.

E2180 is C2D, so you're OK there, and its 1.8Ghz I think.

I can assume you of that.

Depends how good the PSU you're going to put in is, if its a good quality, 400w+ one, then the E2180 might be better because you could overclock it by a few hundred megahurtz.

How many Ghz is the 4000+ X2.

I'd probably recommend the E2180 though.

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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:24:10 PM
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Sorry if I'm sounding like a n00b tonight, I'm very tired haha.

I do know my stuff.











Honest.

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sirsaechao   07-07-2008 at 08:24:34 PM
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E2180 is a Dual Core not quite a Core 2 Duo. PSU is 300 watts. My Dell has a 300W and it handled my 8600GT. The AMD 4000+ is a 2.0 as well. I can probably get a 4200+ or 4400+ since it is cheaper than the Intel.


Message edited by sirsaechao on 07-07-2008 at 08:27:46 PM
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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:27:09 PM
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E2180 is cheap ****!!

It is £45 here, which is like <$90

A 4000+ X2 you could only get second hand here.

Hey, look at this $80.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Intel-Pent [...] dZViewItem

Bam.

Any help?

------------------------------ E8400, Radeon 4850 512mb, 2GB OCZ 1066mhz DDR2, Asus P5K, 500GB 7200.11, 500w OCZ StealhXStream, Logitech X-550s + Mission Hi-Fi speakers, DVD-doitall drive. Amidoinitrite.
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blackwidow_rsa   07-07-2008 at 08:27:46 PM
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Edit: nvm


Message edited by blackwidow_rsa on 07-07-2008 at 08:30:23 PM
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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:27:51 PM
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How is E2180 not a C2D??

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sirsaechao   07-07-2008 at 08:29:26 PM
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Just remember. I'm on a budget and this will replace my Dell 3.0 P4.

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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:31:25 PM
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Right.

Well, what are you going to not replace,

i.e. take from your Dell

And what stuff are you planning on buying?

------------------------------ E8400, Radeon 4850 512mb, 2GB OCZ 1066mhz DDR2, Asus P5K, 500GB 7200.11, 500w OCZ StealhXStream, Logitech X-550s + Mission Hi-Fi speakers, DVD-doitall drive. Amidoinitrite.
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sirsaechao   07-07-2008 at 08:33:37 PM
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I just need something in my budget and at least running 2 core. Single core computer are so slow right now.

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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:35:13 PM
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You haven't answered my question.

New processor? Motherboard?

What?

I'm assuming you're buying
- processor
- motherboard

everything else from Dell?

------------------------------ E8400, Radeon 4850 512mb, 2GB OCZ 1066mhz DDR2, Asus P5K, 500GB 7200.11, 500w OCZ StealhXStream, Logitech X-550s + Mission Hi-Fi speakers, DVD-doitall drive. Amidoinitrite.
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sirsaechao   07-07-2008 at 08:37:16 PM
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New computer in general. Only thing I'm salvaging is my 8600GT and sound card from Dell.

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evongugg   07-07-2008 at 08:37:55 PM
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GA-P35-DS3L

e2180 or better

2GB DDR2-800

Coolermaster Centurion 5

Reuse power supply (not sure, measure it), hard disk, video card, optical drive, etc.

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evongugg   07-07-2008 at 08:40:33 PM
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If you go with my setup, overclock it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] uals-guide

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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:40:47 PM
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Errrrr.

Right.

I think you should go look at the cheapest prebuilt "gaming" computers on eBay, ask them to remove the graphics card, and sound card (if applicable),

And make an offer on $200 or so,

That is probably your best bet.

Something liek this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BAREBONES-INTE [...] dZViewItem

See?

------------------------------ E8400, Radeon 4850 512mb, 2GB OCZ 1066mhz DDR2, Asus P5K, 500GB 7200.11, 500w OCZ StealhXStream, Logitech X-550s + Mission Hi-Fi speakers, DVD-doitall drive. Amidoinitrite.
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jonisginger   07-07-2008 at 08:42:21 PM
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It's not optimal, but upgradeable.

$200 is *&%£ing tight man...

Stretch to $250 or $300 and you'd find a MUCH better PC...

------------------------------ E8400, Radeon 4850 512mb, 2GB OCZ 1066mhz DDR2, Asus P5K, 500GB 7200.11, 500w OCZ StealhXStream, Logitech X-550s + Mission Hi-Fi speakers, DVD-doitall drive. Amidoinitrite.
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evongugg   07-07-2008 at 08:46:12 PM
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AMD SETUP:

GA-MA78-S2H

AMD BE-2400

2GB DDR2-800

Coolermaster Centurion 5

Reuse power supply (not sure, measure it), hard disk, video card, optical drive, etc.

Doesn't need overclocking.

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th_username   07-07-2008 at 08:50:50 PM
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e2180 if you are going to overclock if not go with amd

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Shadow703793   07-07-2008 at 09:11:16 PM
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^+1. The E2180 can easily be Oced to 3Ghz+. If not in to OCing get a AMD.

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50bmg   07-07-2008 at 09:19:57 PM
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+1 e2180. because it is a known overclocker.

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the last resort   07-07-2008 at 09:39:19 PM
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I am going to be an idiot and try to win him over to AMD.
Processor - AMD X2 6000+ 114 Newegg.
MB M2N SLI Deluxe 130 Newegg
Ram Corsair DDR2 800 2GB 33 Newegg w/ rebate.
Case- Cooler Master Centurion 5 55 Newegg
PS- Corsair 450 Watt. 60 Newegg w/ rebate

Total- $392, plus shipping.

Let the flames begin......

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dirtmountain   07-07-2008 at 10:05:41 PM
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Great article at Hardware secrets that deals with just this subject with benchmarks
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/577
Conclusion: Athlon+2 4600 over the E2180


Message edited by dirtmountain on 07-07-2008 at 10:07:13 PM
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doomsdaydave11   07-07-2008 at 11:07:24 PM
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jonisginger wrote :

Errr.
How many Ghz is the 4000+ X2.


Ghz doesn't matter, raw performance does. Bet my 2.2Ghz Athlon 64 will trash any 3.2Ghz P4.

C2D overclocks better (dispite the fact that the AMD 5000+ BE can still be found, and is a fantastic overclocker), but AMD takes the cake for cheap, solid power.

Also, AMD's budget chipsets tend to be better then Intel's current offerings, even though P35 is pretty good.

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dirtmountain   07-07-2008 at 11:23:12 PM
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Refurbished pre-builts here
http://www.recoupit.com/Shop/Contr [...] /SFV/31197
One example from there for $299
This HP Pavilion desktop offers high-performance computing that’s ideal for business, home or personal use. It carries an Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 2.0GHz processor, 2GB of DDR2 memory, and a 320GB Serial ATA II hard drive. This PC also features a DVD±RW/RAM optical drive with Lightscribe that’s great for multimedia entertainment and digital data storage. Add integrated Intel GMA950 graphics for great Vista graphics. With the integrated LAN and PCI modem you can get online with dial-up , dsl, or cable modem and have a home network with your other computers. All these features run on Microsoft's Windows Vista Home Premium Edition which gives you the tools to make working with digital photos and video clips fun and convenient.

Internal Flash Media Reader
Front panel 15-in-1 memory card reader – supports SmartMedia, xD, MultiMedia Card, Secure Digital (SD), Compact Flash I, Compact Flash II, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo, RSMMC, MMC Mobile, MMC+, Mini Secure Digital, and Microdrive.

Lighscribe Disc Labeling
The LightScribe DVD+/-RW drive lets you laser-etch long lasting silkscreen quality text and images onto Lightscribe CDs and DVDs. After you burn content, just flip the lightscribe disc over, reinsert and burn your label—anything from a simple title to a full-disc work of art.

Easy Access Front Ports
Easily accessible front audio jacks with line out,line in, and headphone jack. Plus you get 2 convenient USB ports for flash memory cards, digital cameras, and other USB devices.

Manufacturer: HP
Model: A6157C
Processor Brand: Intel
Processor Class: Core2 Duo E4400
Processor Speed: 2 GHZ
Memory: 2048 MB DDR2 SDRAM
Hard Drive: 320 GB (7,200RPM) SATA
Optical Drive: LightScribe DVDRW
Media Reader: Integrated
Wireless: None
Modem: 56K
Sound: High Definition Audio, 8-speaker configurable
Video: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
Network: 10/100
Monitor: Not Included
Keyboard: Included
Mouse: Included
Speakers: Not Included
USB Ports: 6
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Additonal Features: TV Tuner
Condition: Refurbished

HP Computer
Keyboard & Mouse
Power Cord

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