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I have to say I really coludnt give a fig about cpu usage during movies but it does sound as if the image quality differences are very give and take, would have to see it with my own eyes to decide between them, and if any advantage there was worth the posibility of sacrificing gaming performance. As I game more than I watch videos, if image quality during videos was an issue Id build a media centre PC dedicated to running the projector with the best video quality card I could find, but I dont have issues with the video quality I am getting. That said I do tend to play with settings to get things running where Im happy with them. Running a projector a decent focus probably makes more difference than the what card you are running it from.

I still reckon that a new projector will do more for me than a change to ATI, but I will continue to go with the gaming performance. I havent heard anything at all to convince me that ATI's current cards give better gaming images than Nvidias Current cards. (7800 vs 1950 was a different story and there I was looking towards the ATI).

I also believe I get far more extra image quality from display type (CRT over LCD) than I could get from ATI vs Nvidia, the biggest problem being the raw horse power required to drive a modern game at 2048x1536 with all the whistles and bells (and getting the whistles and bells running are one of the prime reasons to upgrade ) I quite often have to take a hit in the FPS to get the prettier image. But sli \ crossfire isnt the solution to my wants.

I am no Nvidia fan boy though, I am sitting back and waiting for actual benchmarks and will make my decision then, I would buy ATI in a heart beat if they offer what I want, (especially with the motherboard taking crossfire it gives extra options for upgrades should my gaming habits change) but the talk coming from the two companies it sounds like nvidia are aiming more for my current wants than ATI.

Now for another form of gaming performance enhancements one day I still want to test flash based hard drives effects on mmorpg's I do expect to see some considerable performance boosts from that, when I find the spare budget \ prices come down to something reasonable. Graphics cards have first priority at the moment though. Theres been nothing tempting from either camp for 18 months.

Yeah, I'd buy ATI too, I always bought on value, but thius time I just wan't performance...so screw "VALUE" to a large degree...I am gonna keep the next system till it's old and crappy, so VALUE can take a flying leap for once.

If the 4870 x2 happens to win, I'll buy that, if the 280 wins, I'll get that.

I do have to say that red PCBs make me wanna barf, and that both catalyst and NV control center and NTUNE suck...ack. I hope if ATI wins, someone make's a black one, or at least green for christ's sake...I don't wan't fugly red and fugly driver.

Price do matter,but look at it this way.If you are saying 2 GTX280 beats a 4870x2 then 2 4870x2 will beat 2 GTX280.Even though the 4870x2 has 2 gpu its still one graphics card just like the GTX280 is one graphics card.

What last three generations? All I see is 2 generations with different names and a different manufacturing process. Geforce 9's are barely different from Geforce 8's. Not to mention, the 7's weren't really better than ATI. They each had their glory for a couple months while they other one stepped up their number of shaders and pipes. Nvidia and ATI have a history of trading blows and will continue to do so. As I remember it:

Radeon 9x00 > Geforce 5x00
Radeon xx00 < Geforce 6x00
Radeon x1x00 > Geforce 7x00 (I'm talking about shader intensive games, like oblivion)
Radeon HD 2x00 was hardly different than HD 3x00 < Geforce 8x00 was hardly different than the Geforce 9x00

Ati got far behind during their merger, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they came out on top this round, for a while anyway.

Old and crappy will be when 10.1 comes out some time this year.Nvidia have not implemented 10.1 because they cant.GTX280 will be a fast card now and a cripled card later

+1

Evan the 3870 showed some surprising power when it went into DX10.1 mode.


God... I must sound like an ATi fanboy....... Sorry, its not that I'm pro ATi or anything, its just I like the way ATi went this time. They seemed to have learned from their mistakes, from the 8800 series and their merger digestion. I do think that the 4870 will be a decent card and I can only hope that it will be significantly quicker than my 8800 gtx. The 280gtx will be fast but I think it will start to lose out when it comes to quality. It will definitely lose out when games start to be more and more DX10.1 because of its inadequate architecture for the future.

I don't think the superset of direct x that is .1 is going to make any real difference anytime soon.

yes, lets face it no one would like to end up with egg on there face

did you even bother to read any of those DX10.1 reviews.first you say value isnt important.then you say value is important.again you said performance is important.next,you said hd4870x2 was crap.then you said you are going to buy it if its better.

dont worry.i wont quote you anymore.there is no point in.........ah forget it!
Have a nice DAY!

No, I didn't say the X2s were gonna be crap, I SAID ATI needs the X2 just to keep up with the single gpu 280s...the 4850s will be the CRAP if their is a crappy ATI...regardless, I am just saying ATI is gonna get beat yet again....

If I am wrong and ATI wins, I'll be buying that.

I don't have any secret benchmarks...just looking at Nvidia's performance since the 6 series vs ATI's performance.

I'd like to see how microsoft dumbed it down, considering that when NVIDIA released their hardware MS had just finished screwing around with the DX10 specs.

Its cool, everyone flops like a politician every now and then.
There are a couple of features that 10.1 should have that can give it better results... like the free 2x-4x AA and such.


Oh, here are some benchmarks for the 280gtx and such.


Link:

Nvidia = loser
Long Live ATI

...Waiting for HD4870X2 (the fastest card in the world)