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I bought my Mac used (it cost me £425 or $975ish) and spent a lot on my PC.
I picked on several of your comments (the rest I accept were perfect reasoning for not running it and I have nothing to say to those comments, because that's your decision) because they didn't have reasoning behind them. I don't go to Mac forums. I'm not a member of any and I don't regularly read them. Oh and I don't feel any reason to 'defend' my purchase. I don't live in a Communist country, so I have a choice, a choice of which I don't have to justify to anyone (least of all in my eyes an internet forum!). I was merely picking people up on their 'I hate Mac' comments. I am not a typical Mac owner, and I needn't be treated like one.

You didn't even imitate such an intelligent response in your first post.
I completely agree with your (and others) comments over the "Anti-PC" adverts. Can't stand them. Yes, I think it's valid that they make a comparison, but slagging them off isn't a valid piece of advertising in my eyes. The MacBook Air ad is how the rest of their adverts should be. Simple, to the point and catchy. Although as I've said, fortunately in the UK we don't get particularly hounded by the anti-PC ads (thankfully!).

** Picks his nose **

What do you mean gross?

Yeah, whats that monkey know anyways? I bet he could do it. Doing something like this would be so easy, even a cave man could do it, and hes almost there heheh

They have old chimps homes? heheh. True, your numbers look right, but I just couldnt resist

The figures are installed user base. So yes, some folks might have all 3 options ticked. The 5% as gamers figure was from the recent Nvida postings on the VIA colaberation anouncement. They have seen that there is more market for embeded graphics solutions, all be it at lower margins.

If I wasn't such a flat broke chimp then maybe I'd have more interest in games. For now the odd blast of Tux racer is about my limit due to a rig not far of the age of amdfangirl! You might well be right about average age but I have to say that in the environments where I come across serious HW upgrading gamers I see the age as a little lower.

The overall point I'm trying to make to the HW fanboys is that whilst this is a fun game to play it is not represntative of the overall computing picture. Most people never upgrade the box they buy. Laptop sales continue to grow as most users want small, affordable solutions. Yes, you do pay a preminum in some cases for a Mac over a PC but that is down to personal choice. If you have no intention of joining the upgrade cycle then the arguments about upgradeability of the HW go out the window.

I'm not close enough to that scene to provide insightfull comment on that one. Certainly I've heard of a few folks kids that started with a PS2 and whos folks have now gotten them a PC. However a lot of those PC's are laptops and as much for social networking as anything else.

I've fixed enough broken PC's in my time to know that a lot of parents prefer the console route for games. The ~3 to 4 year upgrade cycle is a lot easier for them to fund and they don't get grief from little jonny when the darn thing gets wacked with bonzi buddy.

I stand by my point that a lot of folks have had enough of the upgrades. There were a few ex PC heads in the office I last worked in who just said stuff it and got the 360. Good enough to keep them entertained, easier to hook to the plasma when the boys come round for a drink.

Like I said, whilst a fun and interesting way to spend your time most people can't be doing with the hassle of upgrades. Additionaly most PC's never see more game action that Solitare or some flash game sillyness on a Friday afternoon.

I used to find a game of hide the sausage far more fun than watching TV at my GF's house. [/Sadly nowadays I watch TV alone ]

A group of 8 or so of us used to get rather too drunk for our own good and then end up in deathmatch diddy kong and 1080 snowboard matches back at somebodys house. I know you can play a Lan but only 3 of them were serious gamers and why risk that much HW damage when you can get the whole console for less than a midrange graphics card? For social alcohol related gaming you can't knock it.

5% of PC owner game, on your bike, i know allot of gams from old people to toddlers ands it allot more than 5%

most kids may spend allot of time on console these days but most of them will a copy of the sims or something hanging around. on top of that many older people i know are paritail to the odd bout of CnC. i would say its more like 50% of PC's (not owners) wil lpaly game at some point in the month.

also why hasnt this thread been frozen yet. Mods!!!

A capsicum walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", an eggplant walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", a pumpkin walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple". A steak walks into a bar and says "bloody vegetables".

I think he's saying vegetables are the only ones that buy Macs (apples)....... not really sure though....

My laptop has a relatively slow Core Duo CPU and a hopeless Intel integrated graphics chips, but it still plays older games like Call of Duty 1, Everquest and Guild Wars with no problems... I'd guess WoW would run fine too. Not everyone has to play the latest games that require a $1000 graphics card.

The real issue with the crappy Intel chip is with the more modern games that want to use 3,000-instruction shaders, or DX7 games that refuse to run if you don't have hardware T&L support.

This thread is still going?

I love the Mac maniacs. I had a Mac rep at Best Buy approach me last night when I stopped to pick up some RJ45 terminals. They get a little pushy sometimes so I played along, figuring at least I could waste his time. He asked me if I was interested in buying a Mac. Before I start, I like to go into tech stores and ask questions like "what is the CAS level on the ram in that HP over there?" amongst other off the wall tech questions to see if the techs have a clue. So anyway, I play dumb and start asking questions. He asked me what I do on my PC. I told him I read email, surf the internet, play music and a few other things. I intentionally leave out the fact I play FPSers, MMO's, and RTS's and the fact I have close to 1 TB of movies, mp3s, family pictures, CD and DVD ISOs and the 500 other random things Ive written, found, whatever that Ive collected over the last 10-12 years sitting on a raid 5 setup on my deskstop. So then I start to ask him some questions about the Macs. I tell him I have alot of stuff saved on my PC from over the years that I want to keep. He asks me how much, and I proceed to tell him that the guy that built my PC said something about "1 tera-something of storage using something called Raid". So this shifts me to a Mac Pro and a the sales guy is thinking "cha-ching." Then he asks more questions and asks me what else I do. I tell him I like to play games. He asks what. At this point I start to drop the noob facade and lay it out there for him. I tell him I play WiC, COD4, Lotro, just to name a few. So he tells me they have this Nvidia 8800 GT video card. He starts to try to pull my attention toward VMware and running Win Xp or Vista on top of OSX.

About this time Im tired of this toolbag, drop the facade and tell him exactly this "You want me to dump my $2000 gaming PC for the Mac that I have to emulate all the software I want to run" "Not to mention the Mac pro I need to buy to even stay even remotely close is $6000?" At this point I tell him that Ive been messing with him and tell him that my current PC is a 6300 Conroe, Asus Striker Extreme mobo, 8800 GTX, 4 gigs of ram, 1 250 gig HD for OS and usage, 3 500 gig HDs in raid 5 for backup/fault tolerance/storage. The guy wasn't a total idiot and was a good sport about it actually. I told him I wasnt interested in a Mac. He told me "Yup they are not for everyone" and tells me he has his PC and his Mac at home. Does most of his gaming and work on his PC but spends his leisure time on his Mac laptop doing email and just doing random web surfing. We parted with a laugh after he showed me some of the cool things the Macs can do, and I lusted over the 30" display for a few minutes.

Mac users need to step down off of their high horses and realize they dont own the best machines. Macs are decent, but PCs run s__t. They can do everything a Mac can do and more. They are no more secure, faster, more stable, than a decently assembled PC. Good way to look at people picking on PCs is the fact that Mac has the same issues Microsoft has now that they are getting market share. People think that if you want totally perfect drivers and software and hardware, go buy a Mac. Steve Jobs has all the hardware and software locked down. Except for his crap still isnt perfect either in spite of the slick marketing.

Amen on the reason for OCing.

Wingding, is that you?

Hey why are you trying to be funny now?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] chronicles

That should give you a pretty good idea. It should also give you a pretty good idea of why to stay out of the basement (Community → Other.)

again?

HA!

1. Macs don't get viruses because there aren't any virus made for Macs. Not security!
2. No they cant. Lets see you run Crysis on a mac! I mean running Crysis WELL!
3. Yes, right, and Advertisments determine the quality of the product!
4. Less hardware permutations + less Software Permutations = Higher stability because the range of hardware is narrower...
5. Vista's interface isn't made for noobs like those who like macs.
6. And the one button mouse you guys had forever?
7. I can run microsoft word.

Except:

a) that's a trojan, not a virus.
b) you can't infect executables on a Mac unless you're running as root or you install them in your own directory with your own user id; so its attempts to infect other files will be a complete flop.

Unix is designed to be secure, Windows is designed to be convenient. Neither achieves their goal 100%, but the latter is always going to be much less secure than the former.

I'm glad my comments seem to have been taken in the correct context. This thread was already descending into silliness so why not add to the party. I'm not out to dis anybody for OC'ing. My present box is a AlthlonXP 2500 OC'd to 3200 speed. I've not upgraded as I don't really need more speed and I don't really have the funds. Ubuntu runs just fine for me as it is.

The trouble is that a lot of people seem to see OC'ing as some form of l33t hacking or god like tech status. Most people just follow the guides (badly) and then bitch about instability. There are very few that actually innovate, but some of them are truly impressive.

It's getting harder and harder for home builds to be done for less than a commercial off the shelf product. Yes, you can build much better but the price performance curve has changed shape over the last few years. A lot of people are cautious of doing an OC as there is always the risk of frying components. Now we may know how to avoid this sort of outcome but unless you do your research you can get into trouble. Hence why most people just buy a solution.

The comparison I would make is Hi-Fi in the 70's. I think the computer market has not reached the stage Hi-Fi did when CD arrived and Midi systems started to take over. Why bother spending a fortune and wasting a weekend finding the perfect tracking weight for your stylus when you can just get on with enjoying music on a system for 20% the price that sounds (to most ears) 80% as good. BTW - I do still own 1970's speakers

I wonder if all this battering of rotten apples is going to deter macdopes from being ripped off, from what I have seen in the past they will dig thier heels in and remain stubborn as ever, just like donkeys. 1....2.....3.......eeeAaw!!! Like much in life we need bad examples to steer away from and good examples to steer to. Thanks macdopes for showing me how money can be completely wasted, cos I never did. Bwahahahaha.

Of course you don't. But then it's not a virus, is it?

Which is exactly my point.

You could have a user-privilege virus. A virus is defined as a program that can infect a computer, replicate, and disseminate itself without the user's permission or knowledge. A simple virus that is a bit of an autorun script to be run when a user sticks an infected USB stick into a computer that copies itself to a hidden directory on the computer and then copies itself to any new removable disks if possible is one example. The virus can use any tool that the user can, such as cp, ls, grep, mkdir, etc.

It just wouldn't be able to hide very well compared to a virus installed as root as it merely uses the binary programs on your system rather than modifying them to make its activities unseen even to root. You could see a user-level virus easily if you were looking for it, but most people do not constantly watch top or ps to try to look for viral activity or monitor each and every application .conf folder in /home. It would satisfy the qualities of being a virus just dandy- it just wouldn't be a very good virus.

Hurts doesn't it Lukebird?

Kaldor wrote :

Mac users need to step down off of their high horses and realize they dont own the best machines. Macs are decent, but PCs run s__t. They can do everything a Mac can do and more. They are no more secure, faster, more stable, than a decently assembled PC. Good way to look at people picking on PCs is the fact that Mac has the same issues Microsoft has now that they are getting market share. People think that if you want totally perfect drivers and software and hardware, go buy a Mac. Steve Jobs has all the hardware and software locked down. Except for his crap still isnt perfect either in spite of the slick marketing.

"People think that if you want totally perfect drivers and software and hardware, go buy a Mac. Steve Jobs has all the hardware and software locked down. Except for his crap still isnt perfect either in spite of the slick marketing." Um thats what I just said. Mac has a limited hard scope. Windows does not. Mac has a limited software scope. Mac does not. PCs run more hardware, more software, and can do a much wider variety of things than the Mac in its current form will ever do. Companies will not write programs for Macs because very few company's want to crawl up Steve Jobs' a__. Until Mac opens up their doors to companies and gets a little more friendly to the world, Macs will use whatever the almighty Mr Jobs thinks they should use. And what Steve wants everyone to uses is a minute portion of the total picture.

Basically Im saying to Mac zealots/idiots get a clue. Your hardware is slower, your software isnt any better than anything else out there, and to top it off, you machine offers far less potential than a PC of similar cost.