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@Harry-Plop per: I do belive njalterio said caused by Vista, the search results your google search will uncover are caused by nVidia drivers.

About the Mac users are smarter article Mac users allways seem to mention the part that "Kelly said the greater affluence and education level of those who surf using a Mac is attributable in part to the company's comparatively pricier machines, as well as to their perception as a status symbol and their greater market share among those in the publishing and design industries. Another thing the article never concludes on the question of Mac users being smarter. Finally it's from 2002, you couldn't find anything from the last 6 years?

About security the two Mac viruses that exist both require the user to be really dumb to fall for the trick, however with Mac being more popular a greater number of people will be interested in finding exploids like the 2 minutte hack using Safari and with Apples slow response time to such threats a lot can get hurt(it took Apple around 6 months to close the Safari hole)

@ctbaars: You conveniently exclude the "That comment is just ridiculous," said Andrew Plato, president at Anitian Enterprise Security, a Beaverton, Ore.-based security solution provider. "While many IT people prefer the ease of use and style of Macs, the reality is that Macs are mostly in the hands of average folks with limited IT skills." found in your http://www.crn.com/security/201802256 link

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Harry-Plopper wrote :

1 All pcs are just boxes
1 All pcs are just boxes
2 I have used macs in the print industry and pcs just dont do it...
3 OSX is a modified linux platform... which is when patched very secure and has not spyware. Vista the latest os is poop
4 Have u seen the new macs.. I guess not
5 Mac Office is better than Windows it has features that pc just dont have.
6 Believe me Windows Vista is shat... Compared to anything else and before it..
7. Yes but mac keyboards are Just Class and fit with the rest of the kit.
9.. I wasnt talking about apple, i was on about Adobe Creative Suite and Quark..
10 I was talking about the 30 inch monster..

Ok now pcs

1.. Great if you want to spend you life upgrading it more than using it...
2.. Costs loads to get anything decent looking and working well.
3.. Great for games in between building and upgrading hardware
4.. 3D graphics are just out of this world in games...
5.. Excellent for Database work, General Office work, accounts, small photo work and web stuff..
6.. Various customization components...
7.. Generally faster than macs in normall use
8.. Industry standard software which is generally backward compatible
9.. Millions of software for it.
10. Great comminuties with loads of help from pc enthusiasts like this forum

1. Boxes are made of corrugated cardboard are you saying we should all move to cardboard from the trusted aluminum/sheet metal cases?
2. How so they all use Photoshop last I checked that’s a universal development platform, even the slick “print software” is in essence Office and Photoshop nothing out of the ordinary. I am also aware they have special Mac only “print software” but special doesn’t make it impossible for effective and fluid production.
3. Question for you can you show me a virus/spyware/trojan that will run on my ever so poopy Vista Ultimate 64bit copy I’ve been looking all over just to show all my nerd friend that Vista is as you say poopy.
4. They are soo revolutionary with they sleek and sexy design I can see how one can become infatuated with them.
5. Like? Oh wait I remember Mac runs MS Office.
6. Hmm again another blanket statement, oddly enough I have had next to no problems with Vista pre sp1 and post sp1 32bit to 64bit, other than Nvidia sucking in the drivers “Dreamscape and latest Nvidia build”…..
7. But how can one get by with such a small and sexy oh ya baby I see your point.
8. I don’t get why there isn’t a 8.
9. Do they not have compatable binaries oh wait ya Mac’s run x86 now my bad.
10. Hmm 30”’s of raw monitor… I see your point.
1. How so last I checked I don’t have proprietary hardware inside my machine.
2. Is that so, I really thought the mid range hardware had its strong points with potential for overclocking to increase the overall value of the purchase, come to think of it does Mac offer a overclocking bundle I would love to pay another 1200 for that feature on my next Mac Pro.
3. Hmm how many games run natively on OSX and previous none UNIX based kernels. Ya I said UNIX.
4. Hmm ill have to agree the prowess of my machines 3d capabilities is somewhat amazing then I go play a game.
5. You know that sounds awfully like a SOHO market, hey isn’t that also what Mac’s target.
6. I do like the very broad upgrade options.
7. Last I checked aren’t PC’s always faster than Mac’s even in Photoshop?
8. Don’t you love that they keep their old customers in mind and don’t go ape **** and try to force OSX down your throat. Wait Apple is a good company with good products that has to be wrong.
9. Some day billions let me know when Mac’s reach 300000.
10. True true.

Word, Playa.

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ctbaars wrote :

BACKUP

http://www.crn.com/security/201802256

From that article

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If anything, PC users have a much higher awareness of security issues and take more precautions than Mac users, according to Eaton. "They certainly purchase more software to protect themselves," he noted.

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Several security solution providers told CMP Channel they believe that the logic of Whitehouse's statement is fundamentally flawed.

"That comment is just ridiculous," said Andrew Plato, president at Anitian Enterprise Security, a Beaverton, Ore.-based security solution provider. "While many IT people prefer the ease of use and style of Macs, the reality is that Macs are mostly in the hands of average folks with limited IT skills."

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John Eaton, president of Eaton & Associates, an Apple solution provider in San Francisco, also disagrees with the notion that Mac users are more aware of security risks than PC users. "To assume that the knowledge of the user is related to the problems with viruses and spyware is incorrect, in my opinion," he said.

"When it comes to identity theft, phishing and other 'confidence tricks' that are typically email or Web based I don't see any higher level of sophistication on one platform or the other," Eaton said.

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Yet another PC vs Mac war. Why do you people see it as your duty to defend multi-billion dollar corporations?

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Thats right ^^^ I'm with u on that, if we say MAC is....... or Windows is..... and then start a war in this thread, who cares (from Apple or MS)? they will do their job

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randomizer wrote :

Yet another PC vs Mac war. Why do you people see it as your duty to defend multi-billion dollar corporations?

Hey, its only for your own good. So if you don't have a Mac you don't know what you're missing

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Harry-Plopper wrote :

Maybe you should just leave the Dells where they are and buy proper pc's

Yeah, the receptionist at work would love me to turn up with 20 boxes and tell her I was gonna build her computer.
I did point out that I was at work. Idiot.

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mi1ez wrote :

Yeah, the receptionist at work would love me to turn up with 20 boxes and tell her I was gonna build her computer.
I did point out that I was at work. Idiot.

No you did point out tho they were Dells, oh well never mind...

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macgirlfriend wrote :

Hey, its only for your own good. So if you don't have a Mac you don't know what you're missing

okay... lets start over.

Mac's ARE over rated, because:

1.) Their price on a prebuilt system.
2.) DRM (dollar ransom met :lol: ) chip in order to install Mac OS on a PC
3.) You have to wait for the latest game titles to be ported over, if they get ported over.
4.) If it was really that good, I'd be using one.
5.) No point in getting a Mac if rendering pictures for a movie/game (rather be watching or playing game) or doing data bases from home, any kind of printing which you claim a reg PC/XP can't do/match, which has nothing to do with my job, in order to do it in less time.

And for a decent PC running XP or Vista, you can play the latest games, tweak your hardware, run other OS (linux) and bitch at Mac users on PC forumz, because the main complain is BSOD on Vista which they can't seem to resolve on their own.

Maybe you should just watch those Mac commercials so it makes you feel better.

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Grimmy wrote :

okay... lets start over.

Mac's ARE over rated, because:

4.) If it was really that good, I'd be using one.
5.) No point in getting a Mac if rendering pictures for a movie/game (rather be watching or playing game) or doing data bases from home, any kind of printing which you claim a reg PC/XP can't do/match, which has nothing to do with my job, in order to do it in less time.

And for a decent PC running XP or Vista, you can play the latest games, tweak your hardware, run other OS (linux) and bitch at Mac users on PC forumz, because the main complain is BSOD on Vista which they can't seem to resolve on their own.

Your point 4, how old are you?? That is the most pathetic not-using-OS X argument I've ever heard... :sarcastic:
There is a point to getting a Mac for rendering pictures because a lot of design studios use macs, and tell me, what does a design studio do as a business... Lots of companies uses Macs because that's what they're designed for. Design work...
Your last point is just as pathetic as your first. You're as bad as that stupid macgirl up there. She hates anyone without a Mac because she can, even though she has no reasoning. You hate Macs in exactly the same way.
Let me be clear here, both of you are (obviously) entitled to your opinions, but because of the way you put your 'opinion' across, I don't want to hear either (as I'm sure a lot of people on here don't!)
OS X isn't a godly OS, it does things better than XP and it does things worse than XP. But in comparison, my copy of XP requires a lot of tweaking to get it to where I like it. OS X on the other hand doesn't.
It's nice having both a PC and a Mac, because it means my PC can be more geared towards gaming and heavier CS3 use (when things become a bit too heavy for my Mac) which is where it excels.
Don't just state you hate Macs. I bet half of you have never even used one.

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Hey you exactly right, how many of you use Mac OS X?

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macgirlfriend wrote :

Hey you exactly right, how many of you use Mac OS X?

Oh god... :sarcastic:
You make me want to cry...
Aaah well, I shall just relax at my desk (feet-up on my new Q9300 fileld box! ) and watch the madness now...

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Hey you have a Macintosh, so why don't you help raise awareness
Macintosh for life

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Reply to macgirlfriend

Seriously what are you all bitching about

Mac has its plus points
PCS has its plus points

Macs has negative points
PC's has negative points

Its all down to preference at the end of the day and if people don't like what others do then its their problem...

Only immaturity brings out "mine is better than yours attitude" especially when at the end of the day - if the user likes their preference then its down to them, not others to change what they like...

I have used both platforms and continue to do so.. All because I mainly use PCs it doesn't mean I don't like Macs for the sake of not liking them...

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Hey where's everybody's zen of mac

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LukeBird wrote :

Your point 4, how old are you?? That is the most pathetic not-using-OS X argument I've ever heard... :sarcastic:
There is a point to getting a Mac for rendering pictures because a lot of design studios use macs, and tell me, what does a design studio do as a business... Lots of companies uses Macs because that's what they're designed for. Design work...
Your last point is just as pathetic as your first. You're as bad as that stupid macgirl up there. She hates anyone without a Mac because she can, even though she has no reasoning. You hate Macs in exactly the same way.
Let me be clear here, both of you are (obviously) entitled to your opinions, but because of the way you put your 'opinion' across, I don't want to hear either (as I'm sure a lot of people on here don't!)
OS X isn't a godly OS, it does things better than XP and it does things worse than XP. But in comparison, my copy of XP requires a lot of tweaking to get it to where I like it. OS X on the other hand doesn't.
It's nice having both a PC and a Mac, because it means my PC can be more geared towards gaming and heavier CS3 use (when things become a bit too heavy for my Mac) which is where it excels.
Don't just state you hate Macs. I bet half of you have never even used one.

I'm prolly old enough to be your da da.

I find it pathetic to have to pay allot more for something that really isn't different. I've been on some mac's, and quite frankly, I'm not impressed. Although I never did have a chance to see OS X, which I still feel as though the price sticks out like a sore thumb, to buy the hardware that goes with it.

Well.. for your information, I don't run a business. So how many regular users, namely gamers, enthusiasts, would use that software/hardware? I mean if it was more affordable, fits my needs better, I'd have it. Other then that, if regular users use Macs to do email, listen to music, and yadda yadda yadda... then they spent more then I did, just to do those things, which I'd really find... pathetic.

It's not that I hate Apple, its just the price doesn't really fit, which I find over-rated. Even their advertising sucks when you know the crap the say about PC's is BS.

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Hey its not just about getting it done its about ease of use

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Look I have evidence that not only I like macs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/al_fa [...] 7/sizes/o/

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macgirlfriend wrote :

Hey its not just about getting it done its about ease of use

Vista is easy to use too.

Word, Playa.

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And look the only happy picture in here is the imac g4
http://www.flickr.com/photos/al_fa [...] otostream/
ubuntu is trying to kill that guy while windows looks at him alsleep clearly evidence that macs are better

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Grimmy wrote :

I'm prolly old enough to be your da da.

I find it pathetic to have to pay allot more for something that really isn't different. I've been on some mac's, and quite frankly, I'm not impressed. Although I never did have a chance to see OS X, which I still feel as though the price sticks out like a sore thumb, to buy the hardware that goes with it.

Well.. for your information, I don't run a business. So how many regular users, namely gamers, enthusiasts, would use that software/hardware? I mean if it was more affordable, fits my needs better, I'd have it. Other then that, if regular users use Macs to do email, listen to music, and yadda yadda yadda... then they spent more then I did, just to do those things, which I'd really find... pathetic.

It's not that I hate Apple, its just the price doesn't really fit, which I find over-rated. Even their advertising sucks when you know the crap the say about PC's is BS.

Well you may well be, which makes your comments even worse in my eyes. You sounded like a toddler who didn't know why he didn't like it, but knew he didn't!! :lol:
Call me pathetic for having a Mac, I can live with that. My PC cost over 4 times what my Mac did...
Well it certainly sounded like you hated Macs, judging by your comments! :sarcastic:
I don't like the "better than a PC" advertising, but fortunately there doesn't seem to be masses of it around in the UK.

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macgirlfriend wrote :

And look the only happy picture in here is the imac g4
http://www.flickr.com/photos/al_fa [...] otostream/
ubuntu is trying to kill that guy while windows looks at him alsleep clearly evidence that macs are better

You're absolutely right.
I'm going to burn my PC, and buy the 'friendly' Macs... :lol:

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Up one: see some people know what I'm talking about

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macgirlfriend wrote :

see some people know what I'm talking about

WHOOOOOOSH!

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amdfangirl wrote :

Soz peoples my computer died (had to fix it). Okay what rant did I miss?

This wouldn't happen if you used a Macintosh in the first place. Now does everbody see the effects of not having one?

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LukeBird wrote :

Well you may well be, which makes your comments even worse in my eyes. You sounded like a toddler who didn't know why he didn't like it, but knew he didn't!! :lol:
Call me pathetic for having a Mac, I can live with that. My PC cost over 4 times what my Mac did...
Well it certainly sounded like you hated Macs, judging by your comments! :sarcastic:
I don't like the "better than a PC" advertising, but fortunately there doesn't seem to be masses of it around in the UK.

Your PC cost over 4 times then your mac? Did you buy it used? Or did you just flat out buy all the expensive PC parts out there?

Mac:

Book - $1099
Book Air - $1799
Book Pro - $1999
Mini - $599
iMac - $1199
Mac Pro - $2799

My system is under $1000 bucks, but over $1000 when I upgraded to my Q6600. And my XP Home version is basically an upgrade that I brought back in 2002-3 ($99). I brought the upgrade Vista 64 bit... Today ($122), to try out since I don't need a special chip to let me install it.

So I sounded like a toddler who didn't know why he didn't like it? Sounds more like, you wanted to say something to my post simply because I don't have a Mac and stated a reason(S) why.

But I guess theres nothing going on in the Mac forumz... And you have to defend your pride.. err.. purchase.

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Apple is like a good for nothing junkie that just won't die. I mean are apples even apples anymore with so much of there hardware identical to the PC market. Adobe isn't going to release the 64 bit version of photoshop CS4 on leopard because its basically umm.....shyte!! I am SOOOO proud to say I was never stupid enough to buy anything apple, not even an ipod. They actually give real apples (the ones that grow on trees) a bad name. How people get conned year after year even with the specs right in front of them is something only a phschologist could work out. Tards!!

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I'm losing focus here.
What were the Pros and Cons again?

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ctbaars wrote :

I'm losing focus here.
What were the Pros and Cons again?

windows good
Mac Bad

For pros and cons re-read the whole thread

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Well.. the only good is perhaps obtaining a Intel chip that you just can find on the market at the moment, as Dragon started out. :lol: . o O (well if your crazy enough to think its.. good)

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LukeBird wrote :

The irony there is indescribably amusing after your earlier "Apple sucks" tirade.
That's the point I was going for, there are way too many people on here who hate Apple for no other reason than they market and sell a product they don't want... They don't know anything about them, they just hate them...
It's pathetic... :sarcastic:

I just say Apple sucks cuz they can only advertise their computers by bad mouthing PCs. Now they use PC hardware so they bad mouth Vista. Why can't they do like their iPod commercials and not talk trash? I hate companies that talk trash about other companies in their advertisement. Its very unprofessional.

I have used Apple. I have used Unix/Linux. I don't prefer either and like PCs and Windows. Vista is a good OS and easy to use. Well for me. The only time that alert pops up for me is if I open a .rar or run a .exe. And that makes sense. If anything could just start to run or load on your PC you would be screwed.

Anywho. Apple can keep producing their commercials and stupid non PC literates can follow them like blind sheep and thats fine with me. It seems thats who they are targeting.

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Harry-Plopper wrote :

Yeah agree with most of what you said but the most BSOD in Vista has been down to third party drives such as Nvidia for example !!!!

Agreed. 2 things have caused Vista to BSoD on me. My video card drives (yes even ATIs drivers have a few problems) and when I was first OC'ing the memory was unstable. Just raised the voltage a bit and I was set. But I have read that 2/3rds of all Vista BSoDs are caused by nVidia drivers that are unstable.

Oh, and here is how I know most MAC users are not "wiser" than PC users. Everyone of them uses the "MACs don't have as many viruses as PC so I don't need to worry". Now if thats wiser then I am very scared.

macgirlfriend wrote :

Hey, its only for your own good. So if you don't have a Mac you don't know what you're missing

I do. And its nuthin.

macgirlfriend wrote :

Hey you have a Macintosh, so why don't you help raise awareness
Macintosh for life

You don't want awareness. The more people you get to accept MACs the more viruses you will see.

macgirlfriend wrote :

Hey its not just about getting it done its about ease of use

PC is very easy for me to use. I love being able to power it on and watch all the blue LEDs come on and it shines. Its pretty.

macgirlfriend wrote :

This wouldn't happen if you used a Macintosh in the first place. Now does everbody see the effects of not having one?

amdfangirl wrote :

^ umm one problem, my computer I was using WAS a Macintosh (macbook)

Sorry but thats funny. HAHA. Ok. Macgirl. That could have been a hardware error which can happen on a MAC too. Most software errors are mainly due to bad drivers or corrupted software, not the OS.

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The Apple Mac Pro. The greatest computer ever conceived and constructed. Only a man like Steve Jobs could create such a marvel.

Bullsh1t.

Let's take a look at this.

Let's build us a Mac Pro from Apple's official website.

Let's give it the most powerful processor, RAM, HD, and graphics options available.

Let's give it two quadcore CPUs at 3.0 GHz.

Let's give it just one 750 GB HD.

Let's give it 16 GB of RAM.

Now let's give it a NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI) for the graphics.

Now let's forget everything else, all the other tacked-on ****, no modem or monitor even.

The Mac's final cost: $10,543.00

Now let's go to newegg and build the exact same thing.

Let's give our newegg computer the exact same **** for HD, RAM, and CPU options. Hell, let's give it another CPU, and another damn graphics card, and finally let's slap on two cases.

That's right, two **** cases, and let's make sure they're just as tough as the Mac's case, and make sure they're the most expensive cases Newegg has to offer.

And let's assume you pay some **** a thousand bucks to assemble it. And let's buy both Vista AND XP while we're at it.

PC Final cost: $7,069.83

Damn, what should we do with that $3,473.17? Let's buy five God damn XBox 360s and while we're at it let's get some of the newest shootin` games, like BioShock, Halo 3, and the VALVE Orange Box.

Now what should we do with what we have left?

****, why not put a down payment on one of those new Maserati? And let's buy some fcuking cocaine while we're at it, and maybe get some surgery to turn our right arm into a giant ****. Why the hell not? With all that money I could've wasted on a MacPRO, I could instead make my arm a **** penis to shove up Steve Jobs ass, hopefully killing him.

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LukeBird wrote :

I don't like the "better than a PC" advertising, but fortunately there doesn't seem to be masses of it around in the UK.

the reason there ain't that much of it is it was banned by advertising standards due to the virus claims among others.

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Turboflame:
I think you are comaparing apples to oranges there.
Are you a bitter Mac owner?

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ctbaars wrote :

Turboflame:
I think you are comaparing apples to oranges there.

Hardware costs = apples to apples

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Are you a bitter Mac owner?

lolwut

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turboflame wrote :

Hardware costs = apples to apples

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Are you a bitter Mac owner?

lolwut

jeez turbo, need to calm down abit there earlier buddy..... your blood pressure increased on that one ...

http://www.computerweekly.com/blog [...] ack-1.html

Any way, the main reason Vista is a polished turd.... Stick with XP until Windows 7 comes out... What are you really getting for that extra money.... FRUSTRATION

if its in your box, and you know it aint good.. Who ya gonna call, VISTA BUSTERS...

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Harry-Plopper wrote :

jeez turbo, need to calm down abit there earlier buddy..... your blood pressure increased on that one ...

Yeah, I actually found that on another forum and thought it was pretty funny so I posted it here. The sad thing is that it's true since they posted links and everything to verify the cost difference.

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Yeah, lets take a look at Andrew and John.

Andrew Plato, president at Anitian Enterprise Security, says ...
Macs are mostly in the hands of average folks <-- Not true, already shown
with limited IT skills. <-- I'll agree with that. I would say average skills.
He just wants to sell more anti-virus software ... He doesn't know what he is talking about.

John Eaton, president of Eaton & Associates, an Apple solution provider in ... "To assume that the knowledge of the user is related to the problems with viruses and spyware is incorrect, in my opinion,"...
Of course! This Apple salesman wants to sell Apples. It's not the user that's better, it's the Apple that's better. What a pitch! His opinion ...

...I don't see any higher level of sophistication on one platform or the other," Eaton said.
Now this is double talk so he can claim it both ways later.

Oh, you can laugh all you want turboflame. We all can see it. You're a closet Mac owner ... comon' now, say it ...

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ctbaars wrote :

Yeah, lets take a look at Andrew and John.

Andrew Plato, president at Anitian Enterprise Security, says ...
Macs are mostly in the hands of average folks <-- Not true, already shown
with limited IT skills. <-- I'll agree with that. I would say average skills.
He just wants to sell more anti-virus software ... He doesn't know what he is talking about.

John Eaton, president of Eaton & Associates, an Apple solution provider in ... "To assume that the knowledge of the user is related to the problems with viruses and spyware is incorrect, in my opinion,"...
Of course! This Apple salesman wants to sell Apples. It's not the user that's better, it's the Apple that's better. What a pitch! His opinion ...

...I don't see any higher level of sophistication on one platform or the other," Eaton said.
Now this is double talk so he can claim it both ways later.

Your "evidence" is still just opinion and speculation, OSX is better at somethings than windows such as vulnerability to viruses. Even that is just because of security through obscurity. Do you want to write a virus that can attack ~90% of computers or ~8% of computers?

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Oh, you can laugh all you want turboflame. We all can see it. You're a closet Mac owner ... comon' now, say it ...

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Harry:

In a sense I agree with you and really the article you posted.

All current OS's work. They do.
Don't upgrade; Stick with what you got and save your money, I say.

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One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed this one is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!

by Joe Raposo and Jon Stone

What I'm curious about is what are the other 2% ? undecided? lol

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ctbaars wrote :

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed this one is not like the others,
Then you're absolutely...right!

by Joe Raposo and Jon Stone

What I'm curious about is what are the other 2% ? undecided? lol

Linux. They have a pengiun. To who they plug their USBs into......

:sarcastic:

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jimmysmitty wrote :

Linux. They have a pengiun. To who they plug their USBs into......

:sarcastic:

I always wondered why that linux penguin had that happy like exhausted look,, hes missing the cigarette

Just plug away with the usb drive buddy, plug away..

Message edited by Harry-Plopper on 05-01-2008 at 09:25:05 PM

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There is no point in buying a Mac. If you wanted to run Mac OS (which I already do) you can still do it on PC without having to pay $2k extra for some cr@ppy Mac. I can also run Linux,Windows on a PC. You can't OC the Mac either.

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Oh yeah and who got hacked First? :lol:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/0 [...] est_1.html

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http://www.infoworld.com/article/0 [...] ommentForm

"Macs -- which cost the same as equivalently configured business-class PCs -- are cheaper to support because they are easier to support. And when it comes to diverting IT resources toward competitive advantage, doesn't ease of support sound compelling?"

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Shadow703793 wrote :

Oh yeah and who got hacked First? :lol:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/0 [...] est_1.html

Yeah agreed but it was a dodgy new browser version of Safari...

Not really the OS, but then again the system was open for attack...

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ctbaars wrote :

http://www.infoworld.com/article/0 [...] ommentForm

"Macs -- which cost the same as equivalently configured business-class PCs -- are cheaper to support because they are easier to support. And when it comes to diverting IT resources toward competitive advantage, doesn't ease of support sound compelling?"

Of course the're easy to support. CS3 is a very well written program.

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^ :lol: CS3 is not very well optimized. there is too much bloat code imo.

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Grimmy wrote :

Your PC cost over 4 times then your mac? Did you buy it used? Or did you just flat out buy all the expensive PC parts out there?

Mac:

Book - $1099
Book Air - $1799
Book Pro - $1999
Mini - $599
iMac - $1199
Mac Pro - $2799

My system is under $1000 bucks, but over $1000 when I upgraded to my Q6600. And my XP Home version is basically an upgrade that I brought back in 2002-3 ($99). I brought the upgrade Vista 64 bit... Today ($122), to try out since I don't need a special chip to let me install it.

So I sounded like a toddler who didn't know why he didn't like it? Sounds more like, you wanted to say something to my post simply because I don't have a Mac and stated a reason(S) why.

But I guess theres nothing going on in the Mac forumz... And you have to defend your pride.. err.. purchase.

I bought my Mac used (it cost me £425 or $975ish) and spent a lot on my PC.
I picked on several of your comments (the rest I accept were perfect reasoning for not running it and I have nothing to say to those comments, because that's your decision) because they didn't have reasoning behind them. I don't go to Mac forums. I'm not a member of any and I don't regularly read them. Oh and I don't feel any reason to 'defend' my purchase. I don't live in a Communist country, so I have a choice, a choice of which I don't have to justify to anyone (least of all in my eyes an internet forum!). I was merely picking people up on their 'I hate Mac' comments. I am not a typical Mac owner, and I needn't be treated like one.

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