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What I can reuse:

  • DVD-ROM gdr8163b ATA Device
  • Samsung Spinpoint 500 GB harddrive
  • Logitech wireless mouse
  • XP professional 32-bit and Vista Business 32-bit CD's free from MSDNAA
  • 22'' Acer LCD


Activities:

  • Havn't played games in 2 years, so will probably just play outdated games no more demanding than Unreal Tournament 3.
  • Mostly 2D graphics design and web design
  • Music listening


Questions before I buy:

  • 1) I'm planning to install XP (with minimum partition because I only need to run one program: Internet explorer 6) and Vista on the fresh new harddrive (which I will use 90% of the time). Is this hard to do? Can the partition be made before any OS is installed?
  • 2) Are the above brands known for giving good drivers for both XP and Vista?
  • 3) Should I get a mobo with SLI support? The reason I did not choose to get one this time is because SLI disables dual screen. Will it support dual screen in the future?
  • 4) Most importantly, does the PSU and mobo support all those parts? I'm not particularly sure what connection my old DVD drive needs.
  • 5) Is it better to get PSU's with a single high current 12V rail or many lower current 12V rails?
  • 6) Does everything come with all I need? Do I need to buy extra wires and stuff?


Message edited by tokyotech on 03-27-2008 at 11:16:30 PM
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Looks good. :) If you plan to OC checkout:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] w=0&nojs=0

Your PSU is good (Tier 2), and has more than enough voltage,etc. Partitioning is pretty easy with Vista. Make sure you install XP 1st and then install Vista 2nd. No need for SLI. Though if this is a gaming rig you might want to take a look in to the 9600. The 8600 pretty much su*s for gaming. You shouldn't need to buy extra wires (though if you have IDE drives you might want to get round cables), and you might want to buy more case fans, CCFLs,etc. If you plan to OC get a good CPU cooler. I heard that Xigmatek HDT-S1283 is one of the best (Frostytech has it at #1). If possible get Vista x64. Every thing you have listed will/should work with each other. Nice job on the overall selection. Good luck.

PS: If you are interested in OCing read the guide, and if you need help just PM me.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Looks like a pretty solid build. The is an excellent motherboard choice. Dont worry about getting a SLI motherboard, since you dont play demanding games and, SLIing anything but 8800's or better is pointless. Partitioning is very simple. Just use the software that comes with the hardrive. And yes you partion BEFORE you install the OS.
Dont get a 8600gt, and dont buy from MSI (From my experiance). If you want to play UT3 it really would help to get a video card with a little more power, especially at that resolution. Can you afford a few more dollars? If you can get this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130332
You will be much happier. If not, get a 3650. I like this one. It would be able to play UT3, but not nearly as well as the 8800gs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102725
Yes the motherboard and PSU do support all those parts. But, you dont nees such a expensive PSU. This will serve you well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139003
Since you are buying everything retail, all cables should come also.
Post anymore questions you may have!!

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Reply to SuicideSilence

On that PSU you posted, it has says +12V@33A,-12V@0.8A. Does that mean the single +12V is shaired between the processor and video card? Is it better to share or better to have dedicated rails?

And the PSU that I chose was the cheapest modular PSU I could find on Newegg. I'd like to have it be modular because I have very small amount of components.

------------------------------ Gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l mobo, Wolfdale E8400 3.0Ghz, Evga GeForce 8800GT 600Mhz, Seagate 7200.11 500GB HDD, G.Skill 800 2GB DDR2, 500 W Enermax PSU, Windows XP 32 bit, Acer 22' LCD, Logitech X-540 5.1 Speakers, NZXT Apollo case.
Reply to tokyotech

Yes the PSU i posted is a one rail psu. There is much controversy over which is better and people have argued over it since the dawn of time lol. I honestly am no electrician, but heres a artical i found a while back that helped me understand rails better.
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/#m8

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Reply to SuicideSilence

Well, if you want a Modular PSU, the one you were orignally going with seems great.
What did you think of the VGA cards?

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Reply to SuicideSilence
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Reply to SuicideSilence

tokyotech wrote :

On that PSU you posted, it has says +12V@33A,-12V@0.8A. Does that mean the single +12V is shaired between the processor and video card? Is it better to share or better to have dedicated rails?

 

And the PSU that I chose was the cheapest modular PSU I could find on Newegg. I'd like to have it be modular because I have very small amount of components.


I will not be able to say which is better since I am inexperienced in PSU design/workings. You can PM Zorg with your questions. He knows best when it comes comes to PSUs.


Message edited by Shadow703793 on 03-28-2008 at 01:28:44 AM
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Reply to Shadow703793

I just wanted a cheap graphics card, so I picked Tomshardware's March's best card under $100. I'm not into intense gaming and these things get outdated really fast, so..... And I've read that almost all ATI cards use more wattage than nVidia cards of similar performance.

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SuicideSilence wrote :

The OP wanted a modular Quality, Modular PSU. :bounce:

 


Sorry for going off topic, but in what way is modular PSU better? I'm building a rig too, so it's a good time to ask. :p

Reply to dagger

Modular PSU arnt better. The OP wants one because "he has limited componants". Which is understandable. Just letting you know ::):
In fact, some say that modular PSU's are not as good as regular ones. I have no idea i just heard that somewhere...

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Reply to SuicideSilence

dagger wrote :

Sorry for going off topic, but in what way is modular PSU better? I'm building a rig too, so it's a good time to ask. :p


It allows you to use only the wires you need. It avoids clutter. Non-modular PSU's have all the wires fixed in.

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Ah, got it. I knew about the removable cables, just thought there might be something more than that. Guess not. As for "worse than regular," I've heard that it's less efficient because some power is lost in the extra plug connections. That seems like just nit-picking though... :sarcastic:

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You can get the Corsair VX 550 (non modular) cheaper than the 450 @newegg;
http://www.buy.com/prod/Corsair-VX [...] 52646.html

Good deal on the 520W modular unit too;
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-52 [...] 70716.html

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Reply to chuckm

^Agreed.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Why is the shipping $50 for Newegg? They don't bundle together these components? So there's really no point buying exclusively from them?

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tokyotech wrote :

Why is the shipping $50 for Newegg? They don't bundle together these components? So there's really no point buying exclusively from them?

 


Where is the $50 shipping? I don't see it. And of course you shouldn't buy exclusively from one store. Search price compare sites for the model number once you find the one you want. :p

Reply to dagger

tokyotech wrote :

It allows you to use only the wires you need. It avoids clutter. Non-modular PSU's have all the wires fixed in.


You could always cut out the extra connections (physically cut them out and put electrical tape around each lead, or if you want to be neat desolder them, I have done this before). :sol:

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Reply to Shadow703793

dagger wrote :

Where is the $50 shipping? I don't see it. And of course you shouldn't buy exclusively from one store. Search price compare sites for the model number once you find the one you want. :p



It's on my total order.

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Reply to tokyotech

@OP: Are you building it your self or getting some one else to build it?

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Reply to Shadow703793

I'm going to attempt to build it myself then ask someone else for help if I fail.

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The shipping they charge you is just the sum of each individual component's shipping charge. In my opinion, you're better off buying from multiple retailers at the cheapest price you can get.

Here are some places that have your parts for cheaper:
Gigabyte DS3L: http://www.clubit.com/product_deta [...] o=A4830813 ($81.99 + $7.49 shipping)
Enermax 500W PSU: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] ode=270341 ($73.99 AR + shipping)

Do you really need the sound card? Onboard sound has come a long way. Usually people say to go for one of the extremes: onboard sound or an X-Fi sound card. Anything inbetween doesn't seem to be worth the money.

Reply to oushi

^ Agreed. Onboard is more than enough for most people. Unless you do some audio work its usually not needed. Test the onboard sound firs. If you don't like it you can always buy a PCI sound card.

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Reply to Shadow703793

I thought that if a cheap sound card only marginally increases the sound quality, it will still take the sound processing load off of the CPU.

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Reply to tokyotech

While yes, a dedicated sound card will take off a little load off the cpu, not enought to tell a difference. Dont believe the stuff on a Creative Xfi box that say, "Up to 15% increase in fps" lol
Its crap. Save the $30 and spend it on better cooling or more fans, or a nice mouse pad :)

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also check out eGOODs.com most part free shipping

Reply to rickf3

rickf3 wrote :

also check out eGOODs.com most part free shipping


Are you sure thats a legit sight? they have 3 items to buy... :ouch:

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Creative is NOT known for good Vista drivers.

Reply to aevm

May i interest you in some astoundingly high quality speakers? .....

BOSE Companion 2 Series II multimedia speaker system: $99.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836166006

BOSE Companion 3 Series II multimedia speaker system: $249.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836166005

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Reply to mihirkula

SuicideSilence wrote :

While yes, a dedicated sound card will take off a little load off the cpu, not enought to tell a difference. Dont believe the stuff on a Creative Xfi box that say, "Up to 15% increase in fps" lol
Its crap. Save the $30 and spend it on better cooling or more fans, or a nice mouse pad :)


Agreed.

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Reply to Shadow703793

mihirkula wrote :

May i interest you in some astoundingly high quality speakers? .....

BOSE Companion 2 Series II multimedia speaker system: $99.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836166006

BOSE Companion 3 Series II multimedia speaker system: $249.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6836166005



Bose? :lol:
I agree that Bose sounds good but you can get the same quality at a cheaper price.

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Reply to tokyotech

tokyotech wrote :

Bose? :lol:
I agree that Bose sounds good but you can get the same quality at a cheaper price.



Nope! :)


Message edited by mihirkula on 04-01-2008 at 06:04:10 AM
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Reply to mihirkula

^ :lol:

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Reply to Shadow703793

Do you need a sound card to use 5.1 or can the onboard audio play it?

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Reply to tokyotech

^ The DS3L can play 5.1.

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