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First, according to AMDs specs, here the Phenom 9850 runs at a factory speed of 2.5GHz, while the 9750 runs at 2.4GHz. The difference in that benchmark between the 9850 and 9750 is .4 decrease for a .1GHz increase in clockspeed. Assuming a linear relation (which its not going to be), at 3.0GHz, the Phenoms would bench at 13.7....actually losing to the yorkfield. But, for the sake of argument, lets say it is a little faster, clock for clock, in this benchmark than the Intel. This leads to the inevitable question, where can I buy one of these faster 2.9GHz to 3.0GHz Phenoms?

Funny you should talk about selective memory.

If you have been building computers as long as you say, you should remember that K6 did not have a good reputation. But, no doubt you choose not to remember that.

As for my memory, Please show me once where I have ever anything positve about prescott, other than "on paper it was a good design", or the launch of pentium,

As for NASA, forgetting to convert between metric and SAE has nothing to do with a CPU. And I suggest you refresh your memory about what was hidden, by whom and when.

As for socket changes, you are definately showing a selective memory. Mearly because AMD recently decided to try a new gimmick does not mean that in the past they did not go thru their fair share of sockets. In fact they did, following Intel socket for socket in DT. But if you insist on claiming AMD is 'cleaner' hinting at AM2 interchangability, you know I can easily counter with the lack of support for older AM2 motherboards, which, regardless of who is to blame, the mobo manufacturer or AMD, ends in the same result....a new motherboard where one was not to have been needed....money spent. As if that wasnt bad enough, need I mention all the people who got screwed when they bought 939s under the impression they would be able to upgrade? Once again, you acentuate one companies positve and one companies negatives to present your beloved 'precious' in the best possible light.

The Penryn temp sensor issue....you mean the one about which most everything written is rumour, and nothing has been proven?

An american company found guilty...........in foriegn country. Ever hear of a "Japanese Inspection"?

The "war" with Nvidia? You mean competiton with a competitor?

On the chipsets....please, spare us. Chipsets are no different in this day and age than CPUs. They have fanboys who base their preferences not on functionality but mearly on who makes them. Even thats makes no difference. I just replaced an Asus 939 mobo with a MSI 939 mobo which used the identical chipset, yet the MSI gagged over the identical WD SATA II HDDs forcing me to lock them down to 1.5GBit/s, where the asus had no problems running them at 3.0GBits/sec


Every single corporation, including AMD is monopolistic. That they cant pull it off and achieve a monopoly is irrelevant. If they could, they would, and they would do so in a heartbeat. No one wants to share...its bad for stcok prices and CEO salaries. So please dont start with the "enviro-friendly cutomer centric unicorn breeding" stuff again. AMD is nothing more than a corporation, no different than any other. It says volumes about people when they buy off on the "but we are really different" advertising shtick AMD has spread.

uh yeah.....did you read this before you hit the "submit your reply" button? Off you medication again?

and really how much power(money) would you save with AMD anyway if you say its more economical.will you able to count it and buy a bag of chips for it?huh?enigma067!

for running a same task(encode a 5min long video),because the Core architecture is more efficient so it will be able to complete the task in 3mins where as the equivilant AMD CPU needs 4.5mins to do.let say the intel @100w/hour and amd@85watt/hour,so how much will it need to complete the SAME task?

Intel 100w/60*3=5Watt
AMD 85w/60*4.5=6.375Watt

so would you still say AMD is more economical?this is performance/watt

AMD is less power consuming at IDLE thats no doubt about that,but if it need extra time to do the same task you will just end up using more energy at the end.

just a side note t the CPU wattage i use above just a estimate.but im sure that the power consumption between the equivilant CPU doesnt have such huge 15% difference.but then again it will definately take longer for AMD to do the same task.

well got nothing to say about that!!lolis it really?

http://breakfree.amd.com/en-us/default.aspx

only just read this, coz im not to keen on these fanbio (& girl) flames but it iss a good read. the site above made me laugh, AMD must be desparate, althoguh i think that it will be the 'ATi' x4xxx Series that will save them , not petty legal stuff and naf chips. i hope they dont die, or give no really alternative becasue then intel will get complacent.

PS these ultra long threads are making my browser a bit jerky, :-o


unless the GPUS save them (which would be nice) AMD have no were to go on the ground that there mobile platform is 'Aparently' going to suck as much (more) as agena. Oh dear.

^very nicew poem that is!

AMD is now down the ground
so they try fight and make the ground
Intel NV just walk about
They wish AMD would never come round

NV versuses AMD
everyone can clearly see
Intel ask what about me
comes in a thing called Larrabee

NV AMD faces extinction
when Intel try to make revolution
A N might start a cooperation
will try stop Intel's self satisfaction

consumer never treated rightly
we all want value for money
there's no such thing as freebie
why?because business is greedy!

well isnt that is what this thread is all about?and we've been argue for?i think we've all read that at the beginning.

yep truly agree.i wonder how many years the wolfy or maybe the Nelahem have been round in Intel's factory/lab.because what we are getting today is all "past" product.

yea, i weonder if all the staff there have machine from the future at the home, and run crysis at ultra qual at 300+ FPS lol

well we never know do we.maybe we work there and "borrow" 1 from the future!lol

i mean what you said is possible with "today's" technology/hardware.but you need to actually write the driver and BIOS yourself to enable the communication of different parts of your own choice in the system.i mean the computer is communicate by 1's and 0's so if you can "understand" them then you can do what ever you want to it.its true but lol!!!

i was actually joking

i know.but just wanted to point that out.

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reynod are you having comment on the product history of both company or are you giving view on the situation between AMD and Intel?because from what you type you are indirectly insulting people as some people might find it offensive.we in forum give help and view and offer suggestion or criticism to other people's comments not who they are and their personality.maybe?

is there any chance of having the threrad frozen, to stop any 'damage' really.