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Thanks. It just upsets me that AMD makes wild claims about seamless upgrade paths and then people defend them and blame the MB manufactures. Yes, it's the fault of the MB manufacturer that the MB isn't compatible, BUT THEY DIDN'T PROMISE SEAMLESS UPGRADABILITLY.

Don't promise what you cannot deliver.

People bitch about Intel's upgrade path, however, Intel doesn't make wild claims about upgradability yet with an exception of a few FSB issues, many LGA775 procs work with LGA775 motherboards.

You must not be an "enthusiast". Because anybody that calls themselves an "enthusiast" would strongly suspect that a new bios would be needed; they would not need somebody to tell them.

Unless that person was pretending to be stupid for the sake of attempting to make a point. (And I apologize if you aren't pretending.)

But what important "point" would you be making? You are espousing the term "seamless". Why is that important? (And personally I would consider a bios update to fall into the "seamless" category. For some reason you do not.)

So you think it's alright that AMD says "seamless" but what they mean is "with a BIOS update, on only some motherboards."

Doesn't seem seamless to me. By the same thinking Intel provides "seamless" upgrades.

Needing a bios update is still "seamless" for whatever that means. Not only is it alright... it is logical, acceptable and even expected.

For some reason you seem to have a major problem with that fact.

BIOS updates are not a big deal. Who cares? They often update the bios to fix minor problems. Why would adding a new bios to allow new CPU timing and voltage tables be a big deal? Motherboards needed bios updates when the slower and lower powered chips (Semprons) came out. Nobody jumped around and had fits because of that; nobody claimed that AMD was at fault because the motherboard makers needed to update their bios for the Semprons. Why is this any different?

AM2 motherboards will support the Phenom. However if a company chooses not to support their customers and update their bios.. that is their decision. (They will lose customers over the decision.... but they don't care.)

Hellgirl,

This is my point, YOU DO NOT read my others post in there full content. You pick out what you want to troll on and run with it. For the Third time in this Thread "

ASUS HAS PUT OUT A BIOS UPDATE(1903) THAT SUPPORTS THE 9850+be LAST WEEK, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?? DID YOU GET THAT?? THIS BOARD DOES SUPPORT THE 9850BE AND JUST FOR THE RECORD ONE OF THE CORES WAS BAD, NOT MY FAULT OR MY MOTHER BOARD FAULT, MY MOTHER BOARD WAS PUTING OUT ENOUGH POWER TO RUN THIS PROCESSOR, PERIOD! YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT THIS MOTHER BOARD SO WHY TRY TO POST HERE, oh yeah that rights (cuz)lol, you like to spue your thoughts on how great intel is.

I agree TC, Nice.

A BIOS update was also required on the 939 motherboards when the first X2's came out and nobody complained then. As Keithlm said, it should be expected that a BIOS update would be needed to get a motherboard to support a new processor that didn't even exist when said motherboard was manufactured.

Personally I would classify any upgrade that didn't require me to change other hardware as being seamless.

A bios update is no big deal, and yes is expected. Just wish ASUS would of come out with it sooner. Its all good, the new 9850 will be here monday, my new case is coming tomorrow with the new 950 PSU. Looks like I can get started on modding the new case and painting the inside. I am going to cut out the side and put a window in it. With the new hard drive, water cooling, and ocz 1066 ram this should be a nice build, still wanting to wait for better motherboards to come out. Anybody have exp. with Jetways new board for $159.00 on the egg?? I have heard really bad review on ASUS new board. They have even put out the same board with out WIFI and the ram coolers for only $189.00 I really wanted to get the ASUS for $219 with WIFI but the reviews are kinda making me think twice.

boo

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Phenom 9850 Black stock
Gigabyte 790FX DS5
radeon 3870
OCZ PC6400 4GB Dual Channel 5-5-5-18
74GB raptor

I for one would stay away from the ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe if that's the one you are referring to. There is an issue with many of the WIIFI modules included on that board that causes them not to work. A friend of mine has been through three of those motherboards and still hasn't been able to get one with a functional WIFI module. Conversations with ASUS customer service revealed that the first batch of those motherboards shipped to the retailers included WIFI modules on which the wrong version of the firware was flashed. Supposedly this problem was fixed shortly after being discovered, however my friend has RMA'ed his board twice and has received another defective board each time.

Unless you absolutely need the WIFI on the board I would strongly suggest choosing a different motherboard.

Just A,

Yes this is the board I was talking about.

so given your friends exp, would it be a good Idea to get the non- Wifi version for $189.00 Is the wifi the only things hes had problems with? When I first got my M2N32-sli deluxe wifi, the wifi didn't work. When I reinstalled vista 64 and all other drivers it now works no problems. I was looking at the Jetway instead the other day but came across the same board (M3A32-MVP deluxe with out wifi for $189.oo instead of $219.00. It didn't include the Ram cooler's either.

Looks good Wiak,

I can't wait to get my new 32mb cach hard drive, and case, 9850Be.

The non-WIFI board should be fine. Other than the fact that he couldn't get the onboard WIFI to work he's been happy with it. Just hope you don't have to deal with ASUS's customer service as they jerked my friend around for almost 3 weeks and didn't finally admit that there was a known problem with the WIFI until he had posted all about his case on the ASUS message board. Not sure if this is a typical customer support experience for other companies as I've never had a motherboard fail on me before (knock on wood).