AMD's New 780G Chipset Has Powerful GPU

Seems the video card/chipset side of AMD are really showing some impressive products and innovation
780G would be fantastic for laptops.

Quite nice for what it is.

Good for low end workstations. Imagin the energy savings (cheep PSU's can be used) and still able to use Vista's graphics. This would be great for office apps and the like. Heck it could even take on some old school games. GJ AMD!

I must voice my agreement; this seems to be something that AMD has done pretty solidly right after getting so much wrong; it's precisely the sort of thing I'd been hoping for when I first heard about the idea of more solid on-board graphics.

Yeah, the ability to have Blu-Ray playback on a cheap CPU, as well as an extreme level of stability and low TDP? (hence yielding a stupidly high >190% overclocking ceiling?)

This is kinda like to chipsets what Wolfdale has become to CPUs.

And hot dang... Am I seeing it within sight of even my beloved X800XT's performance? Wow, what a world...

Man that looks very promising. I mean even though htpc's are becoming more and more common, now you can actually fit a good performing dvr all in one front end in the living room that actually fits with the rest of your entertainment center. I cant wait to build something with this. Low profile, above average graphics (when in hybrid mode), and the ability to playback every possible codec.

For the last several years, PC gaming has been under fire from console/gamemakers. I think this is a step in the right direction. Others may too : Tom's Games: What do you see as the biggest threat to PC gaming?

Mark Rein: At Epic Games we have our narrow view of PC gaming. We make these high-end action-movie type games that really push hardware. That's our whole raison d'être. Our view is pretty narrow so you have to take it with a grain of salt but we're interested in preserving the ability to ship those high-end shipped-on-a-disc super high-end experiences that... I said "high-end" twice. That's how high-end; double high-end. That's our goal: to preserve the ability to ship those kinds of action-movie type games on the PC.

The trend with those games is that they're going to the console in huge numbers. There're a lot of reasons for it but to us it's something worth saving. There're a lot more PCs out there than there are Xbox 360s and Playstation 3s combined but unfortunately people aren't using them as entertainment devices; at least not for gaming. If I buy a laptop from Best Buy chances are it won't be able to play the kinds of games we make. That is an area of influence that we'd like to have so we can convince people to fix that situation and have a more level playing field.

Why is a $3000 laptop, or in the case of the Macbook Air, why is a $2000 laptop less capable of playing games than a $280 game console? That's my point. We're not talking about putting an NVIDIA 8800 in every single one of those machines but the Macbook Pro is a perfect example. It's got an 8600 GT perfectly capable of playing games. If that was our minimum spec we'd be in great shape. Everybody could at least get some experience gaming and then decide, "Do I want to continue gaming on my PC? Do I want to upgrade? Do I want to get a bigger high-end rig?"

I think ultimately for the Dells of this world that's a positive thing because they could try and sell [users] a higher-margin device. But those lower-priced devices have to at least give people enough to get the experience; to get bitten by the bug, if you will. That's [the PCGA's] main goal. There're others as well. Piracy's a huge problem. It'd be great to have the industry work together to figure out how to resolve that but it's a much tougher problem. [Piracy's] a huge obstacle but shrinking the difference between the low-end hardware and the high-end hardware is important. It's just limiting our audience.

Thats from the Mark Rein interview. I hope this has that effect, and preserves and lifts the potential of PC gaming

Yeah, mathos, OEM's will push a lot of this chipsets onto the market. Oh, far as the memory goes, it will still take from your system RAM, but now, you can set how much it does take.

Wow, they made the GPU overclock almost 100% without hardly any effort or instability! But why would they ship it as is with the 500Mhz core where if after much testing they find they can clock it higher and verify its stability, make a great product even better. Not only that the OC provides a massive gain in performance according to the charts. Bravo AMD.

Some board manufacturers might go that route. Clock the chip higher and equip it with dedicated memory.

Clocking it higher made no sense for AMD though, since the power consumption would rise and, as it seems, AMD is very careful about that. It uses shared memory which means that performance is not their main concern.

The charts and this article have what in common? Certainly not power consumption in mind. Are the test beds the same? With power consumption obviously a big part of this article, Id hardly think so. So, no its not confusing to me, nor do I find holes where there isnt any. As for the setup here it is, http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/0 [...] page9.html As for comparisons, theyre done thruout the article, using ATI cards.

i wonder if Intel fanboys are gonna come in here and accuse the Tom's Hardware of being biased towards AMD...

i'm gonna laugh so hard if that actually happens. =P

Go AMD! =D

Because right now AMD's CPUs don't OC as well as Intels so they wanted something to OC better?

This looks good for once from AMD. I can see this helping to push IGP's to new levels cuz you know Intel wont just sit around since their IGP is one of thier to money makers. This may be the push that PC gaming needs.

No but in the past few months AMD fanboys have been stating THG is Intel bias when they just show the facts.

But still this looks promising as I think it will help boost PC gamning especially if Intel starts to push out better IGP's too.

Yeah, I've seen some of the AMD fanboys accusing THG being biased... But honestly, I think it really is the writer, not necessarily the website. Like have you read the last article by Floren (I think) Carpentier? What really struck out to me was his conclusion that the quad core Black Edition proc was just as "bad" dual core BE processor. If you read the actual article of the dual core BE (not written by the French dude), the writer actually praised it. Anyway, enough of my AMD fanboy griping...heh.

But yeah, I hope PC gaming makes a comeback. I'm more of a PC gamer than a console gamer.

As the article mentioned, this is the first real AMD graphics "card". I certainly hope this is the way of the future. I read this article and really failed to see much of anything bad about this. HTPC use? With a underclocked CPU and a large enough heatsink, you could actually make a completely fanless computer with this. (assuming they still make no fan PSUs.) Overclockable? Ummm, DUH! Low power consumption? Give it another yes. Just about the only thing I didn't see was what audio options were going to be available. This isn't really a bad thing however, as modern onboard solutions sound fine to me.

While their CPUs and video cards haven't been the fastest recently, my hat is off to AMD. Good job on this, I hope you can roll this success into future products.

Ypu. Good to see that AMD is alive and kicking. Hopefully the motherboard manufacturers decides to include on board video RAM instead of shared video RAM. Hopefully ASUS and Gigabyte will do it. With RAM being so cheap right now they might as well do it. It could actually help AMD sell more boards if they do it. Good job AMD!

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/0 [...] page2.html
About time some one did some thing like this.

Wonder what thunderman would say.........

What about this board for all the cheapo's? (myself included)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813135075

Plus

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106227

Equals*

cheap blue ray / gaming rig?

*everyone has a spare hard drive/memory/case/cpu laying around right?

Here is a better, more in-depth review of the G35, and the 780G, from Techreport.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14261

Looks like the AMD/ATI merger is finally starting to show real promise.

Intel with there centrino (platform) is powerful yet always lacking in video performance, or with a dedicated video chip, kinda pricey, now AMD has similar performance cpus (well not as quick, but for portable there more then sufficent), cheap, and now there basic of basic IGP is fast and efficent, making there platform overall more usable if you ask me, with vista being video hungry i think overall an AMD laptop would be feel quicker (for lower end atleast).

Since i do a mix of tasks on my laptop but not gaming as a main and use vista, an AMD platform may be my next platform choice in a laptop with this chipset.

With all these attacks on Intel, what and when will intel do something to match?

This is intelligently made.

COOL in every way though I may not understand some of its features but I gonna buy this mobo.

This would be a big hit chipset if available in Intel socket version. ^_^

Isnt Intels GMA X4500 HD a responce that can be seen as a competitor?

Your foolish if you think a media center pc is a worthy replacement for a digital cable box with dvr even if the media center pc has cable card input.

Why is that? This chipset has HDMI output, and the card I would be putting in can handle Coax input, watching and recording TV, and has a remote. I absolutely hate my cable company.

I agree. I love this setup and have been waiting years for someone to integrate to give me this capability. In my setup I'll use to bring my digital movie database to my networked home entertainment location without having a massive box next to my AV center. I can now place a capable, wireless networked device into my AV setup with remote control and access to my digital content - all elegantly. Thanks AMD!! Can anyone tell me where to get the Hiper box and ultra-low profile cooler and fan that was mentioned in the setup? I look forward to a response from fans or the author.

This article contains a BIG LIE about Intel's G35 chipset !!
As you can see here http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/G35/index.htm G35 HAS High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) with HDCP "supporting all HD formats including 720p, 1080i and 1080p." and HDMI 5.1-Audio !!! Also it can play Blu-ray / HD DVD whithout any problems using hardware acceleration (with PowerDVD Ultra) at Full HD (1080p).How I know this ? Because I own an ASUS P5E-V HDMI http://www.asus.com/products.aspx? [...] odelmenu=1 !!!
So the "...table compares the integrated graphics units of AMD's 690G, 780G and 780V chipsets, as well as Intel's G33 and G35." it's WRONG !!!
I'm "Tom's hardware" fan but this article it's disappointing at least !
P.S. What about the 780G's Southbridge in comparison with intel's ICHR 8/9 ?