New Gamer System - How will Crysis treat it?
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I'm building a new system, since my last one is on its last legs. Any suggestions? How will Crysis treat it?
Case Thermaltake Armor+ Black Steel Case[VH6000BWS]
PSU Thermaltake 1200W Tough Power Active PFC Cable Management
Memory Corsair 4GB QUAD2X4096-8500C5DF (4x1GB) PC-8500 (1066MHz) Q2X4096-85C5DF
Motherboard Asus Striker II Formula 780i Socket 775
Video Card MSI 8800 Ultra Overclocked 768MB 660/2300MHz
Sound Card CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER X-FI FATAL1TY CHAMPION PCI SOUND CARD
CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Quad Core
Monitor SAMSUNG 24" 245B LCD MONITOR
Hard Drive 1 WESTERN DIGITAL 150GB 10,000 RPM
Hard Drive 2 Western Digital 500G 16MB 7200RPM
Hard Drive 3 Western Digital 500G 16MB 7200RPM
DVD Drive Sony BWU200S HD Ready Internal Blu-ray Burner
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You kidding?
The question is more how will THAT thing treat Crysis.
You should be able to play on high/very high at 1600x1200.
Reply to Cpt Deadboots
That PSU is total overkill unless you want to go down the Tri SLI route.It is some build if you're able to afford it.You will be able to play crysis all high on 1650x1080(Maybe).It is a really demanding game cause @ 1920x1080 all very high on a tri sli system with an overclocked QX9650 will only get around 40 fps.
I haven't decided on Tri SLI hense the 1200 PSU. I'm also thinking of using Vista 64
| Cpt Deadboots wrote : You kidding?
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Don't disrespect Crysis. Put it in DX10 mode at 1920x1200 with 16xAA maxed out and it will obliterate (even) that PC.
^Yup. Crysis is the most intense game for ANY PC.

Reply to Shadow703793
| Quote : How will Crysis treat it? |
Like Obama at an NRA convention
| SEALBoy wrote : Don't disrespect Crysis. Put it in DX10 mode at 1920x1200 with 16xAA maxed out and it will obliterate (even) that PC. |
Oh, I totally understand that.
I was just trying to make a point. I would personally never spend more than $1000 on a computer.
His video card is $600 by itself.
Reply to Cpt Deadboots
your pc can be crushed by crysis on one video card
crysis is so powerful ity made my pc overwork and blow up on medium settings
Message edited by cal8949 on 02-13-2008 at 03:25:58 AM
Not to mention the $1000 processor
Reply to Cpt Deadboots
ahhh good old crysis
Looks like a build that is out of desperation. Buy the most expensive parts and hope that you pawn anyone out there. I wouldn't spend $1.6k on CPU and GPU, even if I had it. It'll be pawned in a few weeks or so when the new GPU's come out.
GPU Power
8800gtx w/e6600 OC'd will run on Antec 380w w/27A on 12v rail, PSU!!
Reply to lunyone
If you desire to obliterate hard earned money to be able to play one game thats a good move. I would wait for the newer hardware to come out soon and waste your money on that instead.
The truth is, the top end is what it is, the best there is to offer for now. Months down the road you will be looking at charts and see your very expensive hardware hovering somewhere in the middle of the pack waiting to get pushed off of the chart by the next released hardware.
Like Deadboots said, from a sensible standpoint its best to pick bang for the buck and make it work unless you simply enjoy sending your money out the back door as soon as you get it.
If you do, then I will email you my mailing address and I will help you get rid of it on my wish list from Newegg...
It sounds like a top notch system and if you want to roll at the sharp edge then you do need to pay the prices...
However, these are my suggestions:
1. Drop the 8800 Ultra and replace it with two 8800GT's in SLI mode.
2. Consider an E8400 rather than the QX9650. Quad cores offer minimal benefit over dual cores in games. An E8400 can be overclocked to 4Ghz will be more than enough for Crysis (which is much more GPU rather than CPU limited). When software catches up and we start to see optimizations for quad cores, you can then use the money you saved to buy whatever makes sense quad core wise at that time.
I've got a E6750 with a single 8800GT and get around 30fps with Crysis at 1440 by 900 on high detail settings (DX9). With your system I think you'll get the same at 1650 by 1080 - however with the two 8800GT's in SLI expect 40+ fps at that resolution and playable ultra high.
Reply to Maximus_Delta
MSI 8800 Ultra? mmmmm why?
How about EVGA 8800 GTS 512mb G92? (comes with a free Crysis game)
Drop that Processor...Its just not worth 1K for a single processor...get a high end one...but thats just silly to spend that much get a fast Quad or Duel core and get more vid cards. Thats my $.02.
But hey...if you are actually going to buy this and you really have THAT much money to burn...no one here is going to stop you...hee hee
I do like the case...its the same one I just got.
what the two guys above me said... wait for nehalem... and wait a bit before blowing so much cash on a pc... it;s not a price-effective setup at all
| cbwhite wrote : I'm building a new system, since my last one is on its last legs. Any suggestions? How will Crysis treat it? Case Thermaltake Armor+ Black Steel Case[VH6000BWS] |
This forum needs to institute a "10-post minimum" thread starting rule for noobs like this.
Message edited by Noya on 02-13-2008 at 11:37:25 AM
Thanks all for your comments and suggestions. I was expecting some of them. No one is going to like all you suggest but hey if we all thought the same we would be all walking around in grey jumpsuits and eating soylent green.
Good points about the vid cards. As to the quad, I think I can get a good deal on it and hope to not have to replace the machine for awhile, even if it won't be top of the line after 6 months.
I think the overall point that is being made is that you could spend 1/2 the $ and still have a comparable system performance wise. Than you can take the other 1/2 of the $ and put it away for minor upgrades down the road. This will allow you to have a top notch system for much longer, IMHO.
GPU Power
8800gtx w/e6600 OC'd will run on Antec 380w w/27A on 12v rail, PSU!!
Reply to lunyone
Instead of going down the nvidia route, why don't you try going amd with an overclocked 3870x2. It delivers the performance of an ultra at a lower price.
I would get 2xGTS 512 cards or wait for the 9800GX2 personally. Both are faster and cheaper than the Ultra.
Reply to leo2kp
I'd get the 22 inch Sammy - you'll see much better fps in Crysis than native rez on that 24". The Ultra can't be recommended. I'd rather get one of the ATI x2 cards. (Crysis maybe not being the best benchy for these cards though.. But d'ya just play Crysis?? Nope - you'll play it once, maybe twice, at a push, delete in and put it in some dusty cupboard)
Ryan.
Have to agree with the general theme of comments. Crysis will play, but it will teach your system who is the boss. Did Crysis on my system, at the time was Q6600 @ 3.51, 4 gigs 1066 Ballistic, 8800 GTX oc'd to 690/2400~, RAID 0 drive. Ran the game in both Vista and XP. XP faster, Vista prettier. Both showed slow downs during spots in the game running native resolution for my monitor, SyncMaster 204B 1600x1200 at the highest settings, especially Vista. Times almost a slide show.
That a look at this hard drive a tad cheaper and it has 32mb cache instead of 16mb:
Seagate Barracuda ST3500320AS 500GB 7200.11 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Message edited by mlaporta on 02-13-2008 at 03:03:18 PM
Oh yea, forgot,
For sale: Crysis Game, in the original packaging. Only played twice. Cheap. My system will thank you.
I would say get an E8400, P35 sysbo a EVGA GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB gpu and call it a day. Later this year the new chipset from Intel will be released making "everything" obsolete.
Save you money for later and then make a decision based on the technology this is coming out later this year, even though with technology it's kinda like a cat chasing it's tail, you can wait till it catches it before you buy but guess what... "IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN".
Just use your money WISELY and in this case there are better decisions on equipment to purchase.
What above person said ^^^^^^^^ I "have" the money to drop that much...well...I spent close to $1800 on my new build. BUT, I pulled it back where people in the forum recommended me to. If you would like to see my build I've included my "Rate my build" link. I could have dropped over 2500 easily. but as many people said. If you just CANT wait, I would recommend getting the Q6600, clubit.com can guarantee the GO stepping chip but the last I heard Newegg.com cant. Best of luck. I TOTALLY know that the process of picking everything can be a "hair-puller" sometimes. Here is that link for you...but some changes...I ended up NOT getting the ASUS optical drive...yet and I got Vista Home Premum 64bit..and no anti-static wrist strap...lol Best of luck!
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] what-think
Yeah, If you HAVE to go quad core, the Q6600 G0 can be overclocked to 3.0 pretty easy. And it costs about 1/4 the price of the QX series.
Everyone is right about getting a G92 or two of them as well: they will absolutely kill a single Ultra. Seriously, if you are going to throw around $600, wait for the 9800GX2.
And the Radeon 3870 X2 would be better than the Ultra as well.
Reply to Cpt Deadboots
basically... the ultra is now an ultra bad buy
well, not a very good one, at the least
well. the game box will surely fit into the armor case, so my guess is crysis will be happy
I've made some adjustments but still would like some advice on motherboards and video cards. I guess the real question is can I go with a x38 card with the new 3870 X2 or evga 8800GTX or the 780i with the evga 8800GTX with a possible SLI config in the future. Suggestions?
Case Thermaltake Armor+ Black Steel Case[VH6000BWS]
Antec 850 Qattro
Memory Corsair 4GB QUAD2X4096-8500C5DF (4x1GB) PC-8500 (1066MHz) Q2X4096-85C5DF
Motherboard ASUS Maximus Extreme X38 or Gigabyte GA-X38T-DQ6 (rev. 1.0)
Motherboard EVGA LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i or striker formula 2
Video Card eVGA geforce 8800GTX
or
Video Card ASUS Radeon HD 3870 X2 (1GB)
Sound Card CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER X-FI FATAL1TY CHAMPION PCI SOUND CARD
CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Quad Core
Monitor SAMSUNG 24" 245B LCD MONITOR
Hard Drive 1 WESTERN DIGITAL 150GB 10,000 RPM
Hard Drive 2 Western Digital 500G 16MB 7200RPM
Hard Drive 3 Western Digital 500G 16MB 7200RPM
DVD Drive Sony BWU200S HD Ready Internal Blu-ray Burner
Like Ironnads said get the 22'' Samsung and don't buy an Ultra. A GTX is just fine. With the money that you'll save, you can make your computer watercooled. Then Crysis will run perfectly. Read my sig for my specs. With my pc I run Crysis at 1680x1050 no AA, everything very high except for PostProcessing at High and Shadows at High and it never drops under 24fps even at the snow areas. GPU test results in 29fps average and CPU test in 40fps. All of these in Vista Ultimate 32bit.
These 2 settings when set to VeryHigh can kill performance. You'll almost not notice the visual difference and in my opinion motion blur makes AA useless, unless of course instead of playing you sit there gazeing the environment :-)
With good watercooling components you'll probably achieve higher clocks than mine. My eVGA GTX couldn't run stable at anything over 626MHz GPU and now runs at 756 completely stable without artifacts after 75hours looping 3dMark06(without CPU tests that give the card cooldown time) and prime95 with 4 cores running at background.
Doing so, a 3870x2 will not beat you in almost any game, even if crossfire scaling is 80%.
Reply to steffato
The 8800GTX isn't a very wise investment. Either save some $ and get a 512MB 8800GTS or go the 3870x2 route. I always prefer a single-GPU card even if it's slightly slower than a dualie, because if the game doesn't properly support multi-GPU configurations the dualie will get singly performance (or worse).
I assume you have a pressing need for that Blu-ray burner? Otherwise I'd wait at least a few months for prices to become more reasonable.
It is generally preferable to not fill up all of the DIMM slots on your motherboard on the initial build. You might be better off with a 2x2GB PC-6400 kit that has good timings (4-4-4-12). PC-8500 isn't necessary, especially if you've got an Extreme Edition processor.
As for X38 vs 780i, X38 is the better board but as you already know it doesn't support SLI. Honestly I'd say screw Nvidia and get an X38, but that's just me and I could care less about SLI.
Thanks for all the advice. Here is what I put together. Got a few deals on the way. What do you think?
Case Thermaltake Armor+ Black Steel Case[VH6000BWS]
Antec 850 Qattro
Memory Corsair 4GB TWIN2X4096-6400C5
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-X38T-DQ6 (rev. 1.0)
Video Card ASUS Radeon HD 3870 X2 (1GB)
Sound Card CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER X-FI FATAL1TY CHAMPION PCI SOUND CARD
CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme Q6600 Quad Core
Hard Drive 1 WESTERN DIGITAL 150GB 10,000 RPM
Hard Drive 2 samsung 500G 16MB 7200RPM
DVD Drive BLU RAY PIONEER BDCS02
I did have a problem with the motherboard.
I had to load vista 64 as IDE before setting up AHCI. Vista then loaded up fine. Then I tried to update the BIOs. Big mistake. I got the recycling error that everyone seems to be getting. It starts up for a couple of seconds and shuts down and starts up again. tried everything in the book. No luck. Support pretty slow. The retailer however was great. Told them the problem, they gave me a new board. Now all works well.
Crysis is purring along on the high settings too.
Thanks again for your advice.
Yea AHCI is almost more trouble than it's worth sometimes.
Great build by the way
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